[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
** Also affects: archlinux Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
** Tags removed: 12.04 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
OS: Kubuntu 12.04 HW: clevo p150em notebook - don't know the touchpad manufacturer I have exactly the same problem with my clevo p150em notebook. (no movement, scrolling still possible) It's quite frustrating. It happened several time while I was watching youtube videos, but the reason for this could be that I did spend a lot of time on youtube... I have synaptiks enabled (the tool to control the touchpad). I enabled the disable touchpad for 1sec after button pressed option and the disable touchpad when mouse is present. I don't know how to force this bug. Maybe some dev has to work for 1-2h without a mouse, maybe then the bug will occure. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
Hi there. I believe I experience the same problem. Here is what happened: I clicked on a tab in Chromium, and it got stuck with a right-click menu. I thought it was X and I had to reboot, but I used a USB mouse instead, and everything works fine. The touchpad still doesn't work, the pointer doesn't move. However, I can scroll normally (right side) and use the touchpad buttons normally. Funny thing though: clicking with the touchpad (i.e. touching it once) gives the same result as a right-click. Should this be a duplicate of Bug #830099? Or do we have a different problem? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
Oh, by the way, I am using a Samsung N310, with Ubuntu 12.10 up to date with proposed. Sorry about the numerous comments. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
I just tried the console workaround, which worked perfectly. Back to normal. If it happens again, I will try the suspend workaround. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: linux-ac100 (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
Can this be related to pointer grabbing discussed in http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/40458/4319 ? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
JFI: I turned off tapping for the touchpad (when hitting the touchpad and releasing it should be like a mouse click) -- simply because occasional unintentional tapping was inconvenient for me. And in this new state, the error happened again. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
This time it was again in Firefox (when viewing a history of commits at Gitorious.org, I pressed the left button and was moving the pointer in order to select a piece of text; because of some peculiarities of the markup at Gitorious, instead of selecting the text, the action was moving around the rectangular area with text.) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
It feels like a sudden error, not a wrong parameterI f there was a way to log the internal states of the touchpad drivers, then this information at the moment of the error could be useful for finding out the reason. Kind of debugger that would output the states of the touchoad drivers. Then I could try to post such information. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
i have experienced some pretty similar situation some times now. touchpad seems to be locked in two-finger-scrollmode switching to terminal and back seems to fix it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
@Ivan, the nvec message look normal. Btw, you can get rid of the page allocation failure message by increasing the min_free_kbytes in /proc/something, but this is neither critical nor tp related. I also experienced the tp stuck in two finger mode problem when using firefox. Could be a TP hw, Elan kernel driver or Xorg driver problem. Unfortunately, we have one of the first (if not the first ever) multitouch version of the Elan TP, so firmware bugs are likely. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
@Azrael Tod: for me switching between windows didn't help (e.g. to xterm). Or you mean to linux console? I'll try this the next time. (With Ctrl- Alt-F1, where F1 is--as usually--the key to the right of the ESC key, as I have just learned.) I can't tell whether it is/was in the two-finger scroll-mode. The two- finger scroll-mode seemed not to work in my system. @Marc Dietrich: I can't tell whether it is/was in the two-finger scroll- mode. Thanks for the other hints! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
indeed i mean linux console and not some terminal-emulator -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
it's possible that all problems are fixable by finding out the right synaptics parameter: xinput --list-props ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad will give you a list of tuneable parameters. Don't ask me which one to choose. Doesn't move anymore2 may be related to wrong Pressure Doesn't want to stop scrolling sounds like Two-Finger Pressure or Coasting problem If someone finds out better values than default, please post a note here. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
This happened again for me (when I was using Firefox), and switching to the linux console (terminal) (Ctrl-Alt-F1) and back (Ctrl-Alt-F7) did help. (Thanks for the hint!) Each time I switch back to X, a message in the log appears: [ 7699.679] (--) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: touchpad found It looks absolutely OK, no explanation for the cause of the error. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
Today I noticed that although the touchpad appeared to be not working completely (no pointer movements, and the pointer in X disappeared), it must still be working physically because there was a reaction for the scrolling gesture (gliding up and down at the right side of the touchpad caused scrolling the window contents up and down, as usually). So this must be some software problem, perhaps even of a higher level driver (X.org driver) which is responsible for interpreting the gestures (touching the touchpad) as either movements or scrolling... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
What can I do to help solve this problem? ** Also affects: xorg-driver-synaptics Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: ac100 Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
first make sure that there are no nvec related message in dmesg by doing a dmesg|grep nvec. The TP is known to be crappy hw. So you may sometimes loose connection but it will restart after some time. But I never noticed that the buttons or scroll wheel emulation still works. Will check this next time. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
make sure you didnt accidentially press F9 ... that key is hardwired to power off the touchpad (nothing you can do against this in software) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
@ogra: Thaqnks, I'll pay attention to the F9 key (it's the one with a touchpad on/touchpad off sign on it). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
@marvin24: thanks for your comment! And what does it mean if there are nvec-related messages in dmesg? I don't understand what nvec is, and what its relation to the touchpad is. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
Here is a report of this issue to the synaptics X.org package in Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input- synaptics/+bug/1037586 And a very similar (according to the description) old report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input- synaptics/+bug/830099 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
At least, in the *tail* of overall dmesg that I have attached (which is some while after this issue occured) there are no nvec-related messages. But maybe the moment when the touchpad stopped working was already cut off in dmesg. There are quite a lot of page allocation failure messages there. Can this have a relation to the touch pad issue? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
It just happened right now. I've saved dmesg output and the X's log. (Attaching them.) There are no nvec messages in dmesg. But there are two ec messages. Are they important? I've checked once again the behavior of the touchpad when this happens: movements don't work, but scrolling doe work (at the right side of the pad with a single finger), clicking does work (by hitting the pad, or with the buttons underneath -- both work). I tried to press F9: this turned the tocuhpad competely off. Then I pressed F9 once again: and this resulted in the same errpneous situation: movements don't work, other things do work (scrolling, hitting). So it's not a matter of F9. And it's not matter of complete disconnection. Please tell me: What to do further to diagnose the source of the error? ** Attachment added: dmesg (when this happened once again) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ac100/+bug/1035208/+attachment/3264709/+files/dmesg2.txt -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
** Attachment added: Xorg.0.log (when this happened one again) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ac100/+bug/1035208/+attachment/3264710/+files/Xorg.0.log -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
The ec messages I've mentioned: [1.362365] nvec nvec.0: using adapter Tegra I2C adapter.2 [1.362377] nvec nvec.0: slave at i2c address 0x8a using irq 0xaa [1.371116] nvec nvec.0: ec firmware version 01.20.00 / f9 [1.371901] nvec nvec.0: added 6 NVEC devices [1.372583] input: nvec keyboard as /devices/virtual/input/input1 [24960.980495] ec system event c5 04 01 00 02 00 .. [42797.806468] ec system event c5 04 01 00 00 00 .. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
I've found a workaround: put the system into standby mode, and upon the wakeup, the touchpad is fully working again. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
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[Bug 1035208] Re: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work)
Perhaps, you'll find something in my dmesg. It happened about an hour before I'm submitting this bug report (right before I attached an external USB mouse, which you can see in the dmesg). ** Attachment added: sudo dmesg dmesg.txt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ac100/+bug/1035208/+attachment/3255503/+files/dmesg.txt -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035208 Title: touchpad stops working (moving the pointer doesn't work) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ac100/+bug/1035208/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
