[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1265192 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1265192 ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1265192 Reinstallation wipes out all/other partitions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
I just posted a comment on this over at bug #1265192 but perhaps it is more appropriate for this bug. Since I wrote this comment, I have been thinking about the number of users who a) know about AskUbuntu, b) look up their problem, c) do not find an existing answer, and d) bother to ask a question. At a guess, I would say they probably represent, at most, 1 in 10 of new users. So the lower bound of 1 drive inadvertently wiped every 1.5 days might actually mean ten drives wiped every day. It is just a guess, but I wouldn't be that surprised. Copy/paste follows. @Erick: WT#? it gobbled your XP partition when you said upgrade ubuntu 12.04? Eek! Data loss on partitioning is sadly common, just browsing AskUbuntu today I counted 35 reports of people inadvertently deleting or formatting their Windows partitions since the start of April -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/partitioning+data- recovery?sort=newestpagesize=50 -- that's one user's data being deleted, due to bug or error, every 1.5 days. And that is obviously just a lower bound, consisting of the minority of users who knew about AskUbuntu, and bothered to report it there, and had their questions properly tagged. I just now saw a report of Install Ubuntu alongside Windows deleting all the partitions on a 2nd drive: http://askubuntu.com/questions/471996 /data-lost-after-installing-ubuntu-alongside-windows -- The user managed to recover his deleted partitions using a data recover tool but concludes, I am still angry over B**tard Ubuntu i hate it VERY much, I WONT USE UBUNTU AGAIN IT IS S**T. Ubuntu attracts a lot of novice users. The installer needs to make it really, really clear when it is going to wipe a partition that contains an existing file system. I would say it is necessary to make the confirmation crystal clear - maybe go so far as making them type WIPEMYDATA! or similar in capitals, to confirm that they read the text and really understand what is about to happen. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
** No longer affects: ubiquity -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
And it happened again ... this time the poor newbie asks: 'p.s. please have less ambiguous instructions during the installation. I seriously had no idea that option I chose was going to remove Windows.. ' http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2203184 We need to do something! Oldfred at the Ubuntu Forums refers to the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1265192 Best regards Nio -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Triaged ** Also affects: ubiquity Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Milestone: None = ubuntu-14.04 ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Milestone: ubuntu-14.04 = ubuntu-14.04-beta-1 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
Another case where a user has overwritten Windows by mistake ... or because the Ubuntu installer gave wrong information. See this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2202595p=12914574#post12914574 and that whole thread. Can it be like I suspect, that it is possible to select 'install alongside Windows' or 'install inside Windows' and then select encrypting the drive, so that Ubuntu grabs the whole drive? In there a choice at all in Ubuntu 13.10 to 'install inside Windows'? Best regards Nio -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker. A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1256874 ** Tags added: iso-testing -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
Sorry if I came across as condescending :^( Here's a recent report at the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2195105 To me that indicates that ubiquity is somehow buggy but with no actual info we don't know what's wrong. We really need to have someone with access to Win 7 and Win 8 to test the heck out of the installer so we can figure out what's going wrong! In that particular case it's quite odd that Kubuntu installed OK but then replacing it with Lubuntu resulted in the loss of Win and data. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
The issue is not just the 4 primary partitions in use with MBR. We are seeing the the forums many users over writing UEFI Windows with gpt partitioning. Again not sure if just user error or why it is occurring but it is a lot more than one or two accidentally picking wrong choice. Several have chosen LVM as it says 'easier' partitioning and it seems to overwrite entire drive without any warnings at all. Same with encrypted LVM. Several have installed with dual boot Windows, had major issues with Ubuntu, so they elected to reinstall. Menu said overwrite existing Ubuntu install, but erased entire drive, including Windows recovery partitions. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Also affects: hundredpapercuts Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Importance: Undecided = Medium -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
Good idea to mark it as a papercut :-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
What's needed is actual logs indicating what went wrong. Sadly when things go wrong the number 1 priority becomes recovering as much as possible, or quite often the user that unintentionally lost an OS/data just goes away forever! So what we need is testers with Win 7 Win 8 to test the installation process! To further complicate things many manufacturers now like to use FOUR primary partitions out-of-box! Ultimately I think the new default should be to reject any installation option other than manual partitioning if any Windows/ntfs crap is present anywhere on any active drives! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
Silly thought; have a warning to the effect of, Are all of your operating systems and data partitions presented here? If not please request help at ..! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
I could not upload both files to the first comment, so here comes the old (current) version of the second screen when using the entire disk. ** Attachment added: erase-disk-old.png https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1256874/+attachment/3921334/+files/erase-disk-old.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
I would say rather than a color, that a dialog pop up where no is the default and that yes has to be chosen manually. Answering no should bring the user back to the previous dialog where installation type is selected, giving the user a second look at the choices. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
That would be more than my minimum, but yes Lars, such a pop-up with no as default would make it much safer :-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
I think an additional case for a strong warning screen should be added: when an existing NTFS or FAT32 partition is set to be deleted or modified in any way. This would help newbies coming over from Windows. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
This is a great point to think clearly about the contents of the message. The prospective user needs to understand clearly that the erase and install option leaves no chance of returning to the previous state unless there is a separate backup. I can easily believe that the inexperienced or untutored prospective user would read Erase disk and install Lubuntu and not realize there is some hidden copy of Windows somewhere that can be magically reinstalled. At the same time there cannot be pages and pages of instructions. So I suggest: Delete Windows and all your data from the computer forever and install Lubuntu in its place In something contrasty and obvious as Nio suggests. If there is room for a bit more explanation / fine print below then something like: if you have a backup of Windows or install media, you can re-install it and: Once Lubuntu is installed, you can retrieve your data from your most recent backup. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
2013-12-02 17:48, Chris Hermansen skrev: This is a great point to think clearly about the contents of the message. The prospective user needs to understand clearly that the erase and install option leaves no chance of returning to the previous state unless there is a separate backup. I can easily believe that the inexperienced or untutored prospective user would read Erase disk and install Lubuntu and not realize there is some hidden copy of Windows somewhere that can be magically reinstalled. At the same time there cannot be pages and pages of instructions. So I suggest: Delete Windows and all your data from the computer forever and install Lubuntu in its place In something contrasty and obvious as Nio suggests. If there is room for a bit more explanation / fine print below then something like: if you have a backup of Windows or install media, you can re-install it and: Once Lubuntu is installed, you can retrieve your data from your most recent backup. Nice write-up Chris, I think it helps making a real improvement of the installer :-) Best regards/Nio -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1256874] Re: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used
2013-12-02 16:00, Dale Visser skrev: I think an additional case for a strong warning screen should be added: when an existing NTFS or FAT32 partition is set to be deleted or modified in any way. This would help newbies coming over from Windows. You are right Dale, This is a good way to help help newbies coming over from Windows. Best regards/Nio -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256874 Title: warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1256874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
