Re: [Bug 341030] Re: Local mail delivery missing in default server install

2009-03-12 Thread Calle Dybedahl

On 11 mar 2009, at 18:12, Scott Kitterman wrote:

 I understand your perspective, but this is actually by design.  The
 default Ubuntu Server install opens no ports to the outside world  
 (which
 is also why openssh is an option and not in the standard install).
 While I understand the problems associated with this design choice, it
 is unlikely to change since no open ports by default is a very long
 standing policy (and so no MTA by default).  The alternative is to
 select the mail server task and you'll get a Postfix you can easily
 configure for this use case.


While this is exactly the response I expected from the Ubuntu project,  
I would just like to point out that it is in no way necessary to even  
have a network interface enabled, much less any process listening to  
an external port, in order to enable cron to deliver mail to (for  
example) the local file /var/mail/root. Since you *do* include Perl  
and Python in the base system, a very basic /usr/sbin/sendmail could  
be written in either of those languages to handle that trivial task.

Also, if you really truly believe that you cannot have the ability for  
local mail delivery in the base system, you should at least provide  
all those daemons relying on such for problem reporting alternate ways  
of reporting problems. Or, I suppose, not include those either in the  
base system.

In any case, thank you for providing me with a clear and quotable  
argument for not ever using Ubuntu as a server platform.
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Re: [Bug 341030] Re: Local mail delivery missing in default server install

2009-03-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
What you say could be done is correct.  It is also true that Rome wasn't 
built in a day and Ubuntu Server is a young project.  What those could do 
items lack is someone who is motivated to focus on this particular problem 
and develop and deploy a solution.  Generally people who are worried about 
this will just select the mail server task and be done with it.

Ubuntu Server, on purpose, provide a very minimalistic standard 
configuration.  If this isn't for you, then that's fine.

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[Bug 341030] Re: Local mail delivery missing in default server install

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
I understand your perspective, but this is actually by design.  The
default Ubuntu Server install opens no ports to the outside world (which
is also why openssh is an option and not in the standard install).
While I understand the problems associated with this design choice, it
is unlikely to change since no open ports by default is a very long
standing policy (and so no MTA by default).  The alternative is to
select the mail server task and you'll get a Postfix you can easily
configure for this use case.

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   Status: New = Won't Fix

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