[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
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[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
(Although I kind of feel like I'm beating a dead horse here) I feel that it's good for the system to have basic support for other scripts. I'm just taking a couple of fonts included in the default install that will add support for the most common scripts for documents and browsers—not the full workup including IMEs and other software. The reason is partially because I feel that the system would be incomplete if some websites' contents spontaneously turned into squares with hexadecimal character code indicators. Practically, it's also because to get a font for a different script installed by default, one needs to choose that as the system language during the install. Translations into different languages are still far from perfect, however. I presume some people are using English rather than their native language for that reason. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
Michiel, Please visit System-Administration-Language support. Unfold 'Details' and select 'Arabic'. You will see that u can install 'Additional Fonts' there. So everything is here in order to take out 'extra' fonts from ubuntu-desktop. Once user need indian or japanise, he goes to 'Language Support' and select to install 'extra fonts' for needed language. Looks like really user friendly for me. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
How about we make two packages--one which contains a set of basic fonts for various scripts (Chinese, Hindi) and another which contains extra fonts that are not really necessary. The two have separate meanings, one is practical and the other is mainly for those who want to use the fonts for, say, their OpenOffice documents. We should keep in mind that users might not want to have the language pack, yet still want to read documents made with the script. People who natively speak English but work together with an Indian company, for example. Michiel Sikma mich...@thingmajig.org On 12-dec-2008, at 17:44, Alexander Butenko wrote: the problem is that system acts way faster once there is not a lot of fonts installed there. We have enought time for the next release in order to take care of this bug i think. What about my proposal to put fonts as a depends to language-pack-* packages? That will be the simplest and good working solution. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
the problem is that system acts way faster once there is not a lot of fonts installed there. We have enought time for the next release in order to take care of this bug i think. What about my proposal to put fonts as a depends to language-pack-* packages? That will be the simplest and good working solution. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
an auto font installer ought to be used to add non-latin fonts when needed. http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/12/01/packagekit-and-pango- are-now-friends/ -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
We should still define some kind of default, perhaps based on region. You may not need Mongolian right away, but it might be annoying to have to regularly deal with pop-ups that tell you to install a font. It kind of bugs me, like Richard Hughes remarked in that blog post, that you cannot easily turn off the notifications. Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 3-dec-2008, at 16:44, sam tygier wrote: an auto font installer ought to be used to add non-latin fonts when needed. http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/12/01/packagekit-and- pango- are-now-friends/ -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
Once a user selects there chosen language that should be it. The fonts are all available to install should a user need them. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
It wouldn't be a bad idea to include some other fonts to cover some of the more common scripts. I'd be more interested in having default support for Simplified Chinese than a bunch of fancy Latin fonts that you hardly ever use. Only the basics should be supplied. Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1-dec-2008, at 16:57, philinux wrote: Once a user selects there chosen language that should be it. The fonts are all available to install should a user need them. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
guys, any movements here? -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
Andy Grover, whats the difference to see chineese, japanise or russian letters if you dont understand them? :) -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Team, which is a direct subscriber. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
I'm fully agree with atie. All this fonts which is in recommends to ubuntu-desktop should be Recommends or Depends for language-support-* packages. Not to ubuntu. Big part of ubuntu users need only Latin fonts. The rest is installing their language support package. According to me i'm wiping all this xfonts* packages except -base and just installing msttcorefonts which is suite all my needs. First of all it will decrease base desktop install size. Second it will make list of fonts smaller. Third it will reduse download and installation time for users who is installing ubuntu via http//ftp. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Team, which is a direct subscriber. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
I think that it should be possible to reduce the amount of default fonts without giving up on the most often used writing systems. I personally think that it's important that users of Arabic, Hebrew, Devanagari, Cyrillic, and eastern logographic writing systems, should be supported out of the box. I'm not aware of how big out user base that uses these systems is, but at the very least it makes sense to give these people the opportunity to work in their native language without installing anything separately, for the operating system calling itself Linux for human beings. I'm sure it's our best try to reduce the amount of fonts we have to an absolute minimum, including only the basic Web fonts and some basic non-Latin writing system support. On Feb 5, 2008, at 1:53 AM, avb wrote: I'm fully agree with atie. All this fonts which is in recommends to ubuntu-desktop should be Recommends or Depends for language-support- * packages. Not to ubuntu. Big part of ubuntu users need only Latin fonts. The rest is installing their language support package. According to me i'm wiping all this xfonts* packages except -base and just installing msttcorefonts which is suite all my needs. First of all it will decrease base desktop install size. Second it will make list of fonts smaller. Third it will reduse download and installation time for users who is installing ubuntu via http//ftp. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42926 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
The sole purpose of this is so that if I visit a non-English web page, it shows up properly (i.e. in the language I can't read)? I hate the ?s as much as anyone, but I'd like to see a line drawn somewhere. Maybe 5, like Andy Somerville suggested above. Or, give me ONE font with every single code point, because I believe all the duplication hurts the usability of every single font dialog. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://launchpad.net/bugs/42926 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
** Changed in: kubuntu-desktop (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: kubuntu-desktop = kubuntu-meta ** Changed in: edubuntu-desktop (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: edubuntu-desktop = edubuntu-meta ** Changed in: xubuntu-desktop (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: None = xubuntu-meta ** Changed in: edubuntu-desktop (Baltix) Sourcepackagename: edubuntu-desktop = None -- More granular font selection for the default install https://launchpad.net/bugs/42926 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
yes, in Paris and then also later on at the GUADEC in Vilanova where there was a font BoF, we agreed that we need to set up a review process for each locale to define the most appropriate font (the criteria being quality of glyphs, Unicode coverage and freeness) to optimize the overall font set and its packaging (in relation with the language packs and fontconfig tuning). The work on this continues. -- More granular font selection for the default install https://launchpad.net/bugs/42926 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
Mako, is this covered by any of the font discussions at the Paris summit? -- More granular font selection for the default install https://launchpad.net/bugs/42926 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
Assigning bug to makko ** Changed in: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = makkonen -- More granular font selection for the default install https://launchpad.net/bugs/42926 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42926] Re: More granular font selection for the default install
** Changed in: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) Assignee: makkonen = Benjamin Mako Hill -- More granular font selection for the default install https://launchpad.net/bugs/42926 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
