[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
I am so closing this report right now :P In 2 years no one seemed affected enough to do anything about this complaint, so I guess it is really just paranoia, like Tonio said. ** Changed in: kdenetwork (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix ** Changed in: kdenetwork (Ubuntu) Assignee: Almost Kubuntu Bugs (kubuntu-team) = (unassigned) -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50387 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Almost Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to kdenetwork in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
I must say I totally disagree that kubuntu meeting decision. To me there is no point calling this privacy respect. This is probably more paranoia and honnestly, goes against simplicity and usability. Would you like everyone, including noobs and non-geek users to manually set their status everytime they come in front off the computer ? First, they won't, but they'll probably think kopete simply sucks because it doesn't support something that is a common setting in all IM arround the world. If providing the status is a privacy violation, it is probably better to unplug any network cable, since even an IP address gives more informations than this with ICMP... Concerning problems A or B, MSN, ICQ, YIM or AIM are already supporting this kind of functionnalities and that globally feets with the needs of the masse. Why are they so successfull while Google Talk isn't ? Because of those functionnalities. The purpose of an instant messenger is to be simple, almost automatic, and give informations instantly. Beeing informed that the remove guy is typing something (problem B) is very usefull cause it makes the discussion more interactive. I will wait in that case to post again since my next message could depend what the guy is saying. Those functions can be deactivated for the *rare* personns who appreciate to control everything on their machine and that are concerned by any kind of informations their software can provide. But reguarding making that a default setting is a simplicity regression and functionnalities regression. I would really appreciate this to be re-discussed during the next meeting, since I really think changing those settings would be a very critisized decission when edgy is out. -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
** Changed in: kdenetwork (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged = Medium -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
General consensus at kubuntu meeting was to agree with A and B but C is no worse than web browser ident. Subscribing tonio, our kubuntu- default-settings hero. -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
A seems normal enough to me, as it's meant so friends can see whether I'm available to answer they're instant message. B... I like the bit where chat partners can see whether i'm typing anything, I do find that generally useful. Delivered notifications is also fine I guess, since my partner might be interested whether I'm getting his messages or not. The other option, the displayed notification, seems rather excessive... C, I also fail to see the rationale behind this feature of the jabber protocol. The point of the protocol is that it is universally the same, what difference does it make which client or OS I'm using? However I accept that all 5 options here are invasion of privacy, however minor, so if a high level of privacy is a target of the defaults, then all 5 options should be disabled. If, on the other hand, a target is similarity to other clients of the protocols, I guess they should be left enabled. For the record, MSN accounts in Kopete also have such privacy options. Send client information is ticked by default, and the What's this? entry recommends that it is left ticked (no reason given). Send typing notifications is also ticked by default and Expose my Jabber account to other users, also ticked by default if you have a jabber account with your account's ID entered in the associated box. -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
Personally I'd have thought A and B were the normal settings and see no problem with them, as it is me the user that adds contacts for communicating with, so sharing info with people that you have chosen to communicate with doesn't sound bad -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
*Communicate*. The natural assumption (at least *my* natural assumption) is that by adding an user, the information I will share with them will be the *messages I send to them*. I will also share my online status (offline, online, available, etc.), but I can choose that status from a very clearly visible chooser in the main Kopete window. Any other information buried into nested configuration dialogs is *not*, in my opinion, a kind of information-sharing that is natural of an instant messenger. Let's make a comparison: when I choose to register online a product that I have downloaded or bought, I am certainly *not* expecting it to send information listing, say, all the programs that I have on my machine or the contents or the contents of my filesystem --- even though I am voluntarly enaging in information sharing with the software product's maker. -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
I haven't seen any evidence from your bug report that kopete is sending information listing all the programs that you have on your machine or the contents of your filesystem, if that is the case then please update the bug description. -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
I'm sorry, English is not my native language. I must not have made it clear enough that I was making a parallel, a comparison. I was. -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
I agree with all problems and can confirm the behavior. This is also true for the MSN protocol. Problem B is especially a bad default in my opinion. Is this something we can set in kubuntu-default-settings? Or does the fact that this is per-account settings make problems? -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50387] Re: Default privacy settings don't respect privacy
assigning and confirming. ** Changed in: kdenetwork (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Kubuntu Team Status: Unconfirmed = Confirmed -- Default privacy settings don't respect privacy https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
