[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@Roland I thought I had explained it sufficiently. I do not work for Canonical. I only represent myself and my opinions here. I too am not happy with the global menu for example or the general Mac copying that has been going on in the Unity design team (which I'm not part of). I merely pointed out that a launcher works differently. I personally prefer the old taskbar but I don't see that coming back. The very difference between a launcher and a taskbar is that one has per application buttons the other per window buttons. Hence a launcher can't hide a single window or focus a single window with one single click. It is impossible and that's a fact not an opinion. You can still implement ways of enabling the functionality you want but it will work slightly differently. I and others suggested some ways to improve the launcher for window-centric user scenarios in the ayatana mailing list, the Windows 7 taksbar is another you might be familiar with. I urged everyone to read the relevant threads there (they are all online now at https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/) That having said you can still use gnome-panel in Unity and when I use Unity I run tint2 and set the launcher to always hide. If you read the mails I posted to the list you'll find that I'm an expressed critic of Unity, not just in the little details but in terms of the general direction it has been going. You'll find that I'm actually on your side, against any (perceived) dictatorship... Back to the concrete topic at hand: This bug is about hiding applications, i.e. all windows of one application. If you want per window hiding open a new bug for that, if you want an optional (?) taskbar make a wishlist bug for that. I'll change the description now as I've heard no disagreeing feedback in this regard since I posted #49 several weeks ago. ** Summary changed: - Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher + Minimize Applications upon clicking on Launcher Icons ** Description changed: - What I do miss in Natty (Alpha 3 + daily builds) is the possibility to - click on the app. icon on the Unity launcher bar to minimize the app., - not only to launch/restore it. This is standard behaviour on other - desktops (at least on KDE, XFCE & MS Windows - don't know for Mac), and - I think this should be implemented as well on Natty/Unity. - - mlaverdiere's futher addition: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana- - design/+bug/733349/comments/2 + What I do miss in Natty (Alpha 3 + daily builds) is the possibility to click on the app. icon on the Unity launcher bar to minimize the app (=all windows of one app), not only to launch/restore it. + mlaverdiere's futher addition: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/733349/comments/2 My suggestion would be to modify the interaction-design/process like this (*=my modification proposal/2 cents!): 1) start it, if it hasn't been started yet; *2) restore it, if it is minimized; *3) focus the app, if it's started, not minimized and has not the focus yet; 4) spread windows (of app), if app is focused and has multiple windows open; *5) minimize it if it is in spread-mode (see 4). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize Applications upon clicking on Launcher Icons -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@Ed Lin You sure come across as a dictator from Canonical to me (in fact to be honest I've seen better dealings from Canonical at times). What gives you the impression that keeping the current behaviour is not possible for a dock? Also, why call it a dock, if it's not supposed to be one? Also, why are we copying Mac verbatim in the behaviour of the "Launcher". Users who have already been using Ubuntu/Linux for a long time (and yes, Windows), will be accustomed to minimizing via a simple click on the icon, and it will come as a surprise when they are forced to adapt to so many changes at once. First, we move window controls to the left, arranging them like Mac (for no reason) and claim it's for "windicators", which never came into existence. Then, we come up with a global menu bar, for no reason, and refuse to listen to users who argue that there could be a better solution. Oh, and indicator applets, no autohide for you. Again, something users have been arguing we should have had for a while. And then there is the problem of this launcher's behaviour. We keep saying, common sense dictates that it should behave in at least a more familiar way so as to avoid **further** confusion. Alas - it MUST change to be like Mac as well... Is my point becoming clear as yet? Or do I need to go on? @Ed Lin btw not all of the above is directed toward you, just the the first 3 questions. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@Ed Lin I got carried away for no reason, sorry for that. But I still think it is very important and intuitive to hide/minimize application on next click, it is incomplete without it. All the reasons have been said. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@Rasto I think you are misunderstanding me. All I was saying is that the launcher is different and can't replicate the functionality of a taskbar 100%. Single-click top-hierarchy per-window minimizing simply is impossible to do in a dock. If you add that feature the dock automatically becomes a taskbar and I don't think the taskbar is coming back. The launcher "could" do a lot of things, even improve on the old taskbar. I'm fairly sure a minimizing feature will make it into the next version in one way or another, comment #58 maybe. On your second point: sounds like a bug, not intended behavior. Consistency is an explicit goal of Unity. Btw, you make it sound like I was from Canonical. I'm not, I'm just a user like you, part of the "community". What I'm writing here is my personal opinion. Sorry for the confusion but I feel it's important to make these seemingly nitpicking distinctions to determine the best solution. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I do not get this. It sounds to me like some kind of Win/Mac clone speech. You seriously want to say to community "a Dock CAN'T"... I thought Linux was better than that, it was built to "CAN". Minimizing application is logical, it is reasonable it has been done before. Just give us somewhere option "dock will behave as expected" so I can enable it and disable default "no can't do for no reason" behavior. BTW: @JC, @Michael: behavior like that would not be intuitive in my opinion, complicated and inconsistent. PS: Unity is inconsistent anyways. There is many things. For example, how come if I go to application's menu (ex: Firefox -> View -> Toolbar) it will show submenu by itself without clicking, but subsequent click will hide that submenu? (I get so mad on slowed-down submenu when I by mistake click on it, thereby hiding it). And each click will either reveal or hide submenu. So that is OK? I do not think that user cares about names of different parts of desktop. I thought it should be simple clean, intuitive, expected, obvious and CONSISTENT. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@Bazon 1.) Unity is a special case as it has its dedicated "opinion" list, other packages have no better place than the bug tracker. The problem with discussing it here *as well' is that it splits the discussion, I'd have to repost everything to both. I feel the email form is better suited for a lengthy discussion and we already have several threads on topic in the mailing list, certainly more relevant than the 77 bug comments that to a large part are "me too"s. 2.) I stand by what I said, I have tried the cairo-dock and read all comments here. I hope these two emails suffice as an explanation: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4RWe7juW -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@Ed Lin: 1. Why not discuss it here? The bug has "opinion" status, meaning: "Opinion says: there’s a difference of opinion around this bug and people are free to continue the discussion, but the project or package maintainers need to move to other work and are considering the issue closed." http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/new-bugs-status-opinion 2. Sorry, saying "a Dock CAN'T" do that sounds somewhat ignorant to me: (a) As said before, many Docks just have that function. Try Cairo-Dock e.g. (b) And even if there was no Dock having that function, right at this page many useful suggestions were made how to do it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@Bazon, KillerKiwi, The Fiddler
Please join the mailing list if you want to discuss this further, I've
just posted a mail on topic, not yet in the public archive ("[Ayatana]
Unity with window-centric launcher").
A Dock CAN'T, by design, offer the kind of minimizing feature a taskbar has:
Single click per window minimizing.
It could offer single click per application hiding, that's something to
discuss, hence my suggestion to change the bug title back.
Or it could offer per window minimizing in a secondary menu (popup/context menu
or the scale view), which would warrant opening a separate bug.
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Re: [Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
One click to launch, one click to show, one click to hide them (and in the darkness bind them). Wheel scroll to switch between instances of the same applications and middle click to launch another instance. In other words, just copy AWN. > One thing is certain, the old taskbar window minimizing behavior is not > coming back unless the whole taskbar makes it back into Unity. An > application dock simply doesn't work that way, like it or not. Have you ever used a dock? Because pretty much all of them work this way. 2011/5/7 KillerKiwi > > One thing is certain, the old taskbar window minimizing behavior is not > > coming back unless the whole taskbar makes it back into Unity. An > > application dock simply doesn't work that way, like it or not. > > > AWN, docky, cario-dock and OSX (afaik) all do this ?? > > The only dock i can think of that doesn't is unity > > -- > "Weekends don't count unless you spend them doing something completely > pointless. " - Calven > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 > > Title: > Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher > > Status in Ayatana Design: > New > Status in Unity: > Won't Fix > Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: > Won't Fix > > Bug description: > What I do miss in Natty (Alpha 3 + daily builds) is the possibility to > click on the app. icon on the Unity launcher bar to minimize the app., > not only to launch/restore it. This is standard behaviour on other > desktops (at least on KDE, XFCE & MS Windows - don't know for Mac), > and I think this should be implemented as well on Natty/Unity. > > mlaverdiere's futher addition: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana- > design/+bug/733349/comments/2 > > My suggestion would be to modify the interaction-design/process like > this (*=my modification proposal/2 cents!): > > 1) start it, if it hasn't been started yet; > *2) restore it, if it is minimized; > *3) focus the app, if it's started, not minimized and has not the focus > yet; > 4) spread windows (of app), if app is focused and has multiple windows > open; > *5) minimize it if it is in spread-mode (see 4). > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/733349/+subscribe > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
> One thing is certain, the old taskbar window minimizing behavior is not > coming back unless the whole taskbar makes it back into Unity. An > application dock simply doesn't work that way, like it or not. AWN, docky, cario-dock and OSX (afaik) all do this ?? The only dock i can think of that doesn't is unity -- "Weekends don't count unless you spend them doing something completely pointless. " - Calven -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
For anyone who is interested: I've improve my script. Now it minimize all instances of the same app. See: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36433/why-cant-i-use-the-unity-launcher-icon-to-minimize-applications-windows/39851#39851 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Ed Lin wrote 1 hour ago:#71 "(...) An application dock simply doesn't work that way, like it or not. (...)" Eh, they actually do, or at least offer that option. E.g. the fabulous Cairo-Dock. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I think the ayatana mailing list is better suited for this kind of discussion. Just this: @JC, @Michael Both suggestions are too complicated, also middle click is already occupied for launching a new instance/window. What about minimizing the whole app (all its windows) from the context menu and a minimize button per window in the scale view (together with a dedicated close button, there should be a bug for that too)? The scale view could further be improved, a possible implementation here: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg05651.html One thing is certain, the old taskbar window minimizing behavior is not coming back unless the whole taskbar makes it back into Unity. An application dock simply doesn't work that way, like it or not. Though there are several standalone taskbars available you could use together with Unity (for example tint2, probably gnome-panel too if someone patched it). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@JC: Or keep the traditional one click to show, two to hide, and make the expose view a double click. I'm always skeptical about overusing other mouse buttons (and Apple, who know a thing or two about usability, still haven't quite abandoned their single button mouse). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Or at least make it so that if there is only one window open, then clicking the icon will minimize. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Since clicking the unity icon displays all open instances of a program, how about this: Change clicking the unity icon to minimize all open windows of the program instead. Then make it so that middle clicking the icon brings up all open windows. If you want to minimize just one window out of three open windows, then middle click, bring up the window, and use the regular minimize click (-). Make the middle-clicking the icon like gnome shell's program workspaces in other words. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I vote for this feature too. I have a FHD display and am tired of squinting my eyes to locate minimize every time I want to minimize. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Since this report seems to be open for discussion, I'll add my two cents. I would also like to see this feature. I find the minimise button to be quite small and too close to the close button. It's easy to miss it and accidentally closing the application. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
+1 for the minimise function. Also, @MarkShuttleworth is wrong when he says "clicking on the icon ALWAYS ensures you SEE the app.". e.g. If you elect to have windows focus when the mouse moves over them (very useful trad. GNU feature) then here's what happens: 1. You have -say- firefox open, but another window is covering all of it except perhaps a tiny left edge. You want to use firefox. 2. Unity Launcher is correctly displaying an indicator of the current Other App. You move your mouse over to the launcher intent on clicking the firefox icon, but on your way focus is given to firefox because you cross the edge of the window. By the time you arrive at the launcher, it thinks firefox has focus, so clicking on it does NOTHING. IMHO, clicking a unity launcher icon should not just FOCUS, but FOCUS and RAISE. That way, what Mark says, which I suspect the intended behaviour, will be true. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@Marco: I've improved it. Could you try? See the new version at: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36433/why-cant-i-use-the-unity-launcher- icon-to-minimize-applications-windows/39851#39851 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@André: the workarround does not work as expected (at least to me) because it does not focus the window before minimizing it (if I have a window on second plane, I need two clicks to give focus to it). @Extender: please, don't change the bug status on ayatana-design. Leave this task to someone from design team. Thanks. ** Changed in: ayatana-design Status: Confirmed => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
** Changed in: ayatana-design Status: Incomplete => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I've made a script to workaround this issue. See at askubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36433/why-cant-i-use-the-unity-launcher-icon-to-minimize-applications-windows/39851#39851 See this working: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfLxVsvUZTs . **Simplified Instructions** **1)** We will need http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/xdotool";>XDoTool and http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/compizconfig-settings-manager";>Compiz. You can install these from the *Ubuntu Software Center* or by clicking http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/xdotool";>here (xdotool) and http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/compizconfig-settings-manager";>here (Compiz) **2)** Open Compiz (Alt + F2 and type `ccsm` and hit Enter) **3)** Go to Commands and add `~/.minimize.sh` to one command (for example command 8): **4)** Then go to Button Binding and make a shortcut for it (for example alt+button1). **5)** Now go to "General Options" and set a Button Binding to minimize (use the same modifier key of step "4" and Button2 - *if you want you can change the script as you like to fit another button*). **6)** Make a file named .minimize.sh at your home folder (`gedit ~/.minimize.sh`). Paste this and save: #!/bin/bash # # by desgua # # To minimize a window with Unity # # note: it wont work if multiple windows # from the same app are open ## sleep 0.1 xdotool click --clearmodifiers 1 win=$(xdotool getactivewindow) eval $(xdotool getmouselocation --shell) xdotool mousemove -window $win 0 2 xdotool click 2 xdotool mousemove $X $Y exit 0 **7)** Make it executable. **8)** Enjoy! ;-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
This also affects me. I agree with above, at minimum, it would be great if this was an option available in compiz-config. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
BUG is still there in the final Natty and it's a bit annoying to click on the launcher of a maximized window and nothing happens, i expect that the window minimizes. why there is no option in the unity plugin of compiz where all the users which don't like actual behaviour could change that? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Marco Biscaro on Ayatana Mailing List (https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg05553.html) > It's very simple: there is one dash to one launcher icon. The same for indicators: one menu for each indicator. > Again, the problem with launcher icons is: each application can have zero or more windows. > On GNOME desktop and on Windows, a click on the panel/taskbar minimize the window because each window has an "button" on panel/taskbar. > Instead of just criticize the current design, why don't you write a specification and mockups to propose changes? They can be discussed here, on the mailing list, and implemented for Oneiric (it's too late to changes for Natty). >All kind of improvements are welcome, but we need something concrete and well defined. :-) The only reason you not implementing this is because of multiple windows?! Clearly you never used Docky as they managed it just fine by minimizing ALL windows. Just to add, Windows XP had window grouping and then a 'minimize group' on right click. You do not need a mockup as everyone who has commented on this bug has expressed identically use case scenarios that make perfect sense. That's 50 or so replies reiterating the OP's proposal, I think that is pretty concrete and defined to me. I have yet to read a single comment that makes a valid argument against implementing this proposal. The resistance by the developers is rather odd considering that Unity is meant to improve the user experience. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Design team and Mark: please, consider this. :) REASONS FOR THE CHANGE: The current behaviour is consistent, because it *always* show the window(s) of given application when the launcher icon is clicked. However, it breaks user expectation in some situations, when clicking the launcher icon does absolutly nothing. This problem was already discussed a lot in the ayatana mailing list and a lot of (partial) solutions was proposed. I've tried to get the best part of them and make a complete (at least, I think it's complete) proposed solution that, in my opinion, makes unity more intuitive. CURRENT BEHAVIOUR: Right now, one click open a new window, if not already opened, and then cicle through the steps: a. focus latest used window, if not focused b. open spread view, if there is more than one window opened PROPOSED SOLUTION: The proposed solution is to add a step 'c' that minimizes all the windows. This solution will not be enabled by default, but could be enabled in ccsm. Something like: [X] Minimize windows when launcher icon is clicked DETAILED EXPLANATION: Each number represents a different situation and each letter represents a click in the launcher icon. 1. If there is no opened window for that app a. Open a new window 2. If there is only one opened window for that app a. Focus the window, if not focused b. Minimize the window c. Restore the window d. Goto 2.a 3. If there is more than one opened window for that app a. Focus the latest used window, if not focused b. Open spread view c. Close spread view and minimize all windows of that app d. Restore the latest used window e. Goto 3.a PRACTICAL EXAMPLE: I have two terminals and a Firefox window opened. Both three windows are not minimized. The FF window has the focus. i. Click the FF launcher icon. The FF window minimizes ii. Click it again. FF window restore and get focused iii. Click the terminal launcher icon. The latest used terminal window get focused iv. Click it again. The spread view is opened for the two terminal windows v. Click one of the terminal windows. The clicked window get focused vi. Click the terminal launcher icon. The spread view is opened again vii. Click it again. Both terminal window get minimized and FF window get focused ix. Click the FF launcher icon. The FF window minimizes. Desktop get focused x. Click the terminal launcher icon again. Both terminal windows restore and the latest window used get focused -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I don't see any complications with minimizing active window by left- click on it's icon in Windows 7 or KDE or Gnome. So yes, for me it is a unity bug. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
This is a problem for me since I'm using touchscreen, using unity icon to minimize is much more finger friendly than using the tiny minimize icon. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Yes.. It would be nice if the minimize option is also incorporated for launchers. Also there could be possibly animations like Awn manager. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
This is now the bug with most affected users in ayanta design. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Have to agree with the commenters that clicking should minimise the app. I may want to quickly glance at something in Firefox, whilst, say, working in the terminal. I click a nice largish icon on the dock to bring Firefox to the front, read some text, then I should be able to click the icon again to minimise. Instead I have to move the mouse up to the top of the screen (I have a large monitor) and move to the minimise button which, compared to icons in the dock, is very small and requires a far higher level of accuracy with the mouse. This takes so much more time. I understand the comments about users' expected behaviour with dock and taskbar icons and I agree to an extent. I'm not against changing default behaviours if there is a good reason for it, however I don't understand why forcing users to use a little minimise button, instead of a big friendly icon is a change for the better. To say that there is a minimise button in the app window isn't really a reason. There was *always* a minimise button there yet people generally prefer to click on the taskbar icon to maximise and minimise apps. Users will always take the path of least resistance, the way that requires the minimum effort, so they'll pick a large icon over a small button every time. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I agree that clicking on it should minimise. it's really annoying to have to click on the minimise button and i find the attitude portrayed by the staff of "oh, we don't want that. we won't fix it" to be atrocious especially when there are so many comments that show the user base would prefer this to be fixed. ** Changed in: ayatana-design Status: Opinion => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Yes, this desperately needs to be fixed. I'm quite a fan of Unity myself, but nothing infuriates me more than this. I hope this is being discussed on the mailing list. :) Bring this feature back, or at the very least, give us the option to enable it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Please consider this: I click an icon (say a browser) to see if anything new has appeared inside it. If not, I immediately reclick to minimize that window and resume my previous work. By breaking the symmetry of show/minimize, I now have to move the mouse before I can resume work. What was an instant action now takes thought. So another +1 here. Please bring this back! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
This bug needs to be changed back to "Unity launcher buttons should allow to minimize apps, not just launch/restore" Here's why: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg05594.html The launcher follows an app-centric paradigm like OS X and the "dock". I doubt a lot of thought went into this when designing Unity (judging by the lack of replies) but this is not for here. Now that we are stuck with this OS X like app-centric interface let's look at what their Dock is doing: There's a hide option in the context right-click/long-click menu, this functionality is expected by people using app-centric as well as window- centric interfaces. Adding it to the Launcher will come at absolutely no cost in terms of usability as far as I can see. Like in OS X other useful option could be put there as well: force quit, hide others, open at login. Visual separator avoid clutter and some options are hidden by default and only toggled when pressing the alt key. Screenshot of a Dock menu: http://i.imgur.com/z5Aw6.jpg -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I meant to say "and it's IMO very nice to have *in* Gnome 2" in my comment. I think Unity is very nice, except for a few limitations and bugs :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Until Unity gets a more easily accessible minimize function, you can use Alt-F9 which minimizes the current window (or assign another keyboard shortcut). And for windows that can't be minimized there's "Lower winow below other windows". There's no keyboard shortcut for this (it's not even in the window right-click menu), but you can add one from System Settings --> Keyboard Shortcuts. I have Super+Z as a shortcut for "Lower window below others" and does exactly what I think was missing from Unity (and it's IMO very nice to have Gnome 2 as well). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
if people keep wanting this feature it should be an option, at least otherwise it clearly becomes an 'if you don't like it, don't use Ubuntu' ultimatum -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Here's another reason for needing this expected functionality. I have my email open maximised. I also have another window which has focus. I want minimize the email window to use something below or for some other reason (I personally use a large resolution screen, so am not just using one window at a time). To minimize my unfocussed, maximised window, I have to first focus the window and then find its minimize button in the top bar, as the title bar has been absorbed into the top bar, which contains the menu of the currently focussed window. This is an irritatingly lengthy process, relative to the usual taskbar method. I'm aware that this only affects large screen users, but it is a regular scenario for me. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Sorry, it was late night and I might expressed myself complicated. It looks like only Bazon got what I wanted to say. My proposed behavior is exactly the same as it works right now, but there is that extra enhancement, when nothing happens anymore. Here it is once more: + when multiple windows are spread and exposed, next click will go back to hide the "spread" and the cycle can start all over again - that is the beauty of it (right now you can click all you want and nothing happens - that is unnatural) + same thing goes for single window, if it is in focus, next click will hide it (minimize it, right now that click does not do anything) Please do not imagine what I just said, try it, run bunch of applications and try to do something useful. Here are some practical example. CASE: I am writing e-mail in Firefox, giving quote to customer. I have LibreOffice Calc opened somewhere which contains some calculations, materials etc. So I go to launcher, find that opened spreadsheet and click on its icon, it focuses as expected, I check few numbers and without even moving mouse I click on it again to make it go away, so I can compare those numbers from Calc against e-mail. Nothing happens, and I am clicking again... So finally I would have to go with mouse to my e-mail and maybe forgot those numbers by the time I get there :) Maybe I have opened few browsers with bunch of websites where I get my supplies for project, and I am getting a bit angry :( And of course I have project's blueprint opened and calculator, dictionary and customer's previous e-mails... That is why I need that visual feedback, to check to quickly asses. Moral of the story is that users behavior was expected (clicking again) but response to that expectation was not met. If I brought the window (or expose them) with click why doesn't that action have complementary action with the following click? And do not tell me that I should clearly be using keyboard shortcuts, because then maybe I do not even need mouse or even launcher or GUI or with that line of thoughts I might go straight for different OS :( FINAL THOUGHT 1: What if pressing ALT+TAB (switching among apps), would just stop at the last app? Try it! Run few apps, hold down ALT and press TAB few times, now imagine that it does not go in cycle. How does it feel? Discomforting isn't it? Well that is exactly how I feel when pressing that icon in launcher - it could do something more (even something very expected), but for no reason it wont... FINAL THOUGHT 2: If I turn on light with "switch" should I not be able to turn it off with the same "switch"? Perhaps, that is what people expect since childhood so please do not tell me it is not intuitive. Give it second thought, please, make it right. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
It's annoying that I can't minimize any app by just clicking/scrolling them on launcher... like in others desktop environments! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I can only re-iterate my suggestion from earlier, with a slight alteration: "If we had a Windows 7-style window selector displayed on hover then the behaviour could be: 1) Open/restore window(s) 2) On hover, display window selector alongside icon 3) On click, minimise all windows This would both match people's expectations and provide an easy way to switch between open windows." The expose is what makes this complicated. As a work-around, Rasto's idea would be OK, but I do think it's fairly complicated as the launcher is always doing something different (though no more complicated than the current behaviour which is totally confusing and just makes the launcher seem broken). Remove expose (ie. place that functionality in a nice window selector) and the launcher only has two jobs: launching apps and minimising them. If there is one window, click to restore, click to minimise. If there are multiple windows I would say that clicking the launcher icon should minimise ALL windows of that app because there is currently no GUI way of doing so, whereas if you just want to mimimise the top window you can just hit the mimimise button. Click again to restore. It's simple, understandable and predictable. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@Cont3mpo: Rasto's proposed behaviour IS simple, don't get confused by all the cases and explanations he mentioned: basically, it IS the current behaviour + minimize at the click when currently nothing happens anymore + the cycle. So I agree with Rasto... ...apart that from https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/689733 it should be mentioned, that expose should only show windows from the current workspace. [or from all one click later or by option]. @manny: This looks good and useful, but still it requires more mouse movement than simply clicking the icon again (which are people used to and requires no mouse movement at all). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
@Rasto: Too many clicks and differents behaviors in your proposed, keep simple and cool. Spread Mode show all the windows when are too many apps. Like i say up... Actual behavior in Unity: 1. Clicking an icon of a focused (maximize) window: Does nothing (?) 2. Clicking an icon of a minimize window: Does Maximizes (intuitive) 3. Clicking an icon with two or more windows: Spread Mode of the windows (really nice) Now is simple, but the point 1 is failing (Does nothing). Keep simple behavior in the launcher and add "minimize" on the icon, that's all we want. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Maybe expose can be more useful and show the options the user wants. So i made this quick mockup just to get an idea of the possibilities. i think is win win for both parties :) note: am not so good at mockups, so i hope is not too terrible :o ** Attachment added: "expose-better.png" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/733349/+attachment/2090911/+files/expose-better.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Unity launcher's behavior is terrible. It does not make sense and is absolutely not intuitive. I have just let 4 people to play around with Ubuntu 11.04. There was about 10 things they did not get. One of them was always unexpected behavior of launcher. They wanted that it does something. They thought it stopped responding - because it did, it was doing something before (focusing window, showing window selection, ...) and it does not continue anymore - it broke the chain, did not satisfy user. It should be doing cycle, it is logical, it is reversible, user has more control, it is robust, PROPOSED BEHAVIOR: 1) I click and you show me what is under this icon: 1.a - open first instance of app (run and focus) or 1.b - focus app if it is minimized/out-of-focus, even if there is many of them (show me what I was working on last, I am looking for something obviously under this icon) 2) I click again and you do not break my experience: - so multiple windows/apps are opened now and focus is on one of them (we may not notice that there are many windows, of course) - so right now we can see single window focused and we want more out of it (I guess we would not be clicking anymore if we do not expect more) 2.a - show me all the apps so I can select one (user sees that pretty animation and selects what he wants, but perhaps he did not want that, he might wanted something else, or just wanted to check on something, so there MUST be way out without selecting one of the applications!) 2.b - if there is just single window opened then finish the cycle with step 3 (minimize it, show the user there is nothing more he/she can do) 3) I am clicking again and getting back to beginning - for single window or multiple spread applications - do not worry designers, because all those people who did not expect anything they will not click (or will they?) 3.a - minimize single app (there is no more to do, let the user know, if this was not expected, then he will click on that icon again, do not worry, it is going in cycle) 3.b - unfocus (back to state 1) and hide multiple windows selection from step 2.a (what else do you want to do? user wants something! he is the boss, he just clicked - obviously he does not want to select one of the apps - this is essential. Maybe he did not find what he was looking for, maybe he just did. Go back to beginning, give him something familiar, let him cycle if he wants to do that one more time. IT IS SIMPLE: Users that do not need this multiple click functionality will simply not make that extra click (well, but they are clicking even now, I guess they are looking for something more, they just not getting it) AGAIN: Maybe somebody got lost in the process so here is recapitulation, it is essentially what everybody is saing: A) got single or no app 1. click - run/focus app 2. click - minimize app B) got multiple windows: 1. click - bring me my last app (or skip this step if app is already in focus) 2. click - show me all the apps 3. click - revert back to exact state as it was before 1. click FINAL REMARKS: And for gods, make it configurable! so power users can adjust it an averages have pretty much best experience and they will stay on Linux (and power users wont leave because of your dictatorship). I am pretty much angry with unity, it has so much potential, but all those unfinished little things drive me crazy and it is soo bugy, inconsistent, awkward... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
How about one click to either minimize a single window or go into expose mode for multiple windows with an addition click to minimize?? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
btw, this would be a nice additional option to the "Launcher and Menus"
Setting which momentary only include one single solitude option ("show
the launcher when the pointer:"): http://i.imgur.com/f4q6k.png
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[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
http://askubuntu.com/questions/36433/why-cant-i-use-the-unity-launcher- icon-to-minimize-applications-windows "Not gonna happen? Why not? DockbarX allows you to do that same thing... Futhermore, compiz 0.9 is SUPPOSED to support showing minimized window thumbnails. Why would it be so hard? " I quoted my own comment here. Now let me reiterate. DockbarX allows you to have both behaviours, and unity SHOULD as well (it's simple common sense. Sorry Mark, but we are not Mac users and we are not trying to be so stop trying to ape Mac (sorry if that offends, but let's be honest)). It is simple common sense to me that if you: - Click on a single window's icon, it minimizes or restores the window (so long as the window supports it. - Click on multiple windows' icon, it should enter scale mode (common sense!) - Probably double click on multiple windows' icon: minimize or restore all (for example, chat applications). What's so hard, confusing, or unintuitive about that? BTW I would just use the ayatana mailing list, but: 1. It doesn't seem to receive my msgs. 2. I'm not convinced that our feedback has a REAL impact there (not convinced yet at least). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Now on Unity: 1. Clicking an icon of a focused (maximize) window: Does nothing (?) 2. Clicking an icon of a minimize window: Does Maximizes (intuitive) 3. Clicking an icon with two or more windows: Spread Mode of the windows (really nice) Then, why the Launcher maximize one window but not minimize the same window? It is more intuitive that the launcher minimize and maximize the same window. The button of the windows exist for that, but is more intuitive for the user; minimize/maximize the same window on the launcher. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Another approach could be: MAKE IT AN OPTION! Hide the option however you could, so that the "normal user" will never see it, but give at least us "Fanboys" the option. The thing I can't stand on apple computers is, that apple dictates the users how to use the computer. Canonical seems to go that way and that makes me lose trust in Canonical... :-( -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I want to add a typical case to the Issue François described: François Tissandier wrote 21 hours ago: #22 " I forgot about this multi-windows option... But playing with it brings me to the same conclusion: -I have 3 terminals on my desktop -i click the lens, it shows me an expose view of the 3 terminals. -if click on the lens again to "close" this expose view, and nothing happens. " A typical case for that is, when you click the the lense/launcher/button (however you call it) by mistake: Now you have a expose view window spread of several windows of which you want none. Now, the only way to get out of that state, is selecting one window. Although you don't need it! It's bothering to have to select a window you don't need! Easier and more intuitive would be to simply click again: "Oh, I made a mistake, I click again so it's gone." Just as many other UI-elements. By the way, the frustrations generated by the bugs behaviour on the desktop is very similar to the frustration caused by the bug treatment here on launchpad: * you click on the icon, and nothing happens. * you give reasonable arguments on launchpad to change this, but nothing happens. (not even an explanation why the selected behaviour should be more useful) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
+1 for show desktop icon/function (but there's another bug report - and some workarounds with compiz settings - for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681348) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
Yes, we'll also consider a show-desktop launcher icon. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I could imagine a longer (two seconds?) click on the launcher icon hiding all windows for an application. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
A show desktop icon on unity launcher by default will solve the problem to some extent as it will minimize all active windows in one click and bring focus on a clean desktop. There is a keyboard shortcut alt+ctrl+d that does the same thing but not everyone is used to keyboard shortcuts. But this is not ideal solution if one wants to minimize one/multiple instances of only one app (e.g nautilus) and not all. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
I'm the original reporter for this bug/request report and I still believe (after I've read all the above comments) that minimizing upon clicking the launcher's icon would make sense, be great and would not be disruptive in any workflow I can imagine. That being said, I had a chance to play with a Mac in the last days and clicking on the the dock/launcher app. doesn't seem to trigger windows/apps minimizing (maybe it's just the particular configuration of the Mac I've tried?). My point here is not to suggest that OSx is THE reference for UI design's decision, far from it, but just to point point out that there is no absolute truth about the current issue. I suppose that, at some point, good design/conception decisions could be based on the average user's expectations, for a given platform/OS/UI/etc., at a given time... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 733349] Re: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher
** Summary changed: - Add 'minimize all windows' option to the quicklist of running applications + Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher ** Description changed: - Add a 'Minimize all windows' option to the quicklist of all running - applications. The structure of the quicklist for running applications - should be as follows: + What I do miss in Natty (Alpha 3 + daily builds) is the possibility to + click on the app. icon on the Unity launcher bar to minimize the app., + not only to launch/restore it. This is standard behaviour on other + desktops (at least on KDE, XFCE & MS Windows - don't know for Mac), and + I think this should be implemented as well on Natty/Unity. - - - [Application specified options] - --- - [Application name] - Minimize all windows - --- - Keep in Launcher - Quit - - + mlaverdiere's futher addition: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana- + design/+bug/733349/comments/2 + + My suggestion would be to modify the interaction-design/process like + this (*=my modification proposal/2 cents!): + + 1) start it, if it hasn't been started yet; + *2) restore it, if it is minimized; + *3) focus the app, if it's started, not minimized and has not the focus yet; + 4) spread windows (of app), if app is focused and has multiple windows open; + *5) minimize it if it is in spread-mode (see 4). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349 Title: Minimize windows upon clicking application's launcher -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
