[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 540645 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540645 The details plugin shows the fsck now in Trusty. (if booted with splash press Esc to see details or change/remove splash from default grub linux kernel args in /etc/default/grub) - that's resolve bug #540645 The ubuntu-logo plugin has always shown fsck progress, as far as I can tell. The ubuntu-text plugin does not still. - separate bug #660151. I'm marking this bug as duplicate of bug #540645. Screenshot of the new behaviour is: https://plus.google.com/u/0/109160032876474505377/posts ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 540645 no fsck messages shown in details mode (no splash on cmdline) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
Thanks Steve for taking the time to explain. This is exactly it - people think that plymouth is only annoying graphical stuff without realizing that upstart is replacing the System-V init entirely - already has for the symlinks in /etc/init.d. And the way upstart communicates with the display (text or graphical - does not matter) is through plymouth. Which is why if you do a hacked removal of plymouth, upstart jobs don't show up on the boot messages - only the old System-V jobs do. I have only ubuntu servers here but will take a look at desktop this week. If desktop has a progress bar during fscks, then I guess one approach might be to merge that with details so that we can toggle between them using esc? I don't think anybody would mind that much, so long as we have at least some way to get the progress info (graphical or otherwise). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
I read some other thread regarding Ubuntu making plymouth a too-strong dependency. et. al., so I guesss this is our bug. Most importantly, this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/556372 ...to which you ignored your users? And this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/553285 ...to which It's increasingly possible that you have bug reporters who are capable of what they are doing, yet thwarted by best approach methods determined by people who are looking out for their own best interests. Although I might not question your take, if you would like this to go away then your users would greatly appreciate an explicitly sound explanation as to why you've decided to ram plymouth, which apparently ignores the console, our throats. I've browsed at least a half-dozen other bug reports, some of them very long, which do not exist in debian systems. Although debian is a pain too, at least they are open about everything and those of us wiling and capable of modifying C code, are not unilaterally thrown into the dustbin. If someone at Canonical is willing to get onto a con-call regarding your userbase, I am happy to do so. This is an Ubuntu-specific bug. Politically saying, that freedom should extend to new users. Hiding the boot process behind a compiled C program is a BAD THING. Our users should always have the option to understand and learn from the boot process from any terminal. And this should be an easy thing for them to do. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
TL;DR please give your users an exact explanation as to why you made plymouth such a strong dependency. This is ridiculous to those of us who don't understand the specifics which must be happening here. Please fully explain this decision. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
And BTW, there are *multiple* bugs regarding crypsetup. To wit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/556372 Is this correct? I see similar complaints nestled within a myriad of other bug threads similar to this one. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 01:04:44PM -, Mark - Syminet wrote: TL;DR please give your users an exact explanation as to why you made plymouth such a strong dependency. This explanation has been given repeatedly in bug reports. Which just goes to show why launchpad bugs are the wrong place to give such explanations, because nobody reads them. But ok, I'll try once more. The misunderstanding here is that you are viewing plymouth as a boot splash. It is not. It is a boot-time I/O serializer. This is an absolute requirement on a system with a fast event-based boot like upstart, because without it you can never reliably interact with the system at boot time - interaction that's needed for processes like fsck, and cryptsetup. You have one console, and N fscks that may be running in parallel, and you need to be darned sure that your keypresses are controlling the right process. That's why having fsck spit output directly to the console is not a suitable solution. And the fact that the display of the plymouth splash screen can be toggled at runtime is why having a config file to control where mountall sends it output is not suitable either. Now, in addition to multiplexing we also care about users having a nice-looking boot experience, which is why the graphical splash is the default (and has been since long before plymouth was around) and most of the engineering work has been around making the graphical experience work smoothly. This unfortunately means that some things don't work as well when using the details plugin - such as this issue described here. But that's a priority because of server, not because desktop users might opt out of the graphical splash when it's working. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
Does the desktop theme on Precise provide a progress bar? If anyone can chime in, please do otherwise I'll test it myself later this week in a VM. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
Am Di, 9.10.2012, 23:46 schrieb Steve Langasek: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 09:03:00PM -, Michael Neuffer wrote: Could you perhaps update your package to version 2.41? 2.42 now. @Steve: Would you then consider picking up the change developped by Mark? I don't think this is the right way to address this issue. This really needs to happen transparently, without having to change any config files. I think the best way to address this would be a change to the plymouth details theme, to make it process fsck progress information the way the ubuntu theme does. I wouldn't know, since plymouth and all those graphical gadgets did nothing but create a world of hurt for me, I gave up on it and always take out all graphical booting nonsense immediately after an installation on any of the zoo of Debian and Ubuntu servers and clients that I maintain. One of the reasons beeing that booting with more then one encrypted device didn't work. I want to know what is happening (or failing) behind the curtains during the boot process. Otherwise I could instead use OS X or Windows. A config file is very acceptable for me. Those who don't want it can switch it off. Those who don't want to stay blind and uninformed will switch it on. @Steve: Don't you agree? Cheers Mike -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 01:03:36PM -, Michael Neuffer wrote: I wouldn't know, since plymouth and all those graphical gadgets did nothing but create a world of hurt for me, I gave up on it and always take out all graphical booting nonsense immediately after an installation on any of the zoo of Debian and Ubuntu servers and clients that I maintain. Taking out the graphical booting nonsense is precisely the reason you are affected by this bug. One of the reasons beeing that booting with more then one encrypted device didn't work. There are no open bug reports about such an issue. I want to know what is happening (or failing) behind the curtains during the boot process. Otherwise I could instead use OS X or Windows. You always have access to this information by pressing 'Esc' to toggle the details plugin. A config file is very acceptable for me. Those who don't want it can switch it off. Those who don't want to stay blind and uninformed will switch it on. @Steve: Don't you agree? No, I 100% disagree. This bug report is relevant because the server install, by request of the server team, uses the plymouth details plugin by default instead of a splash screen. *Desktop* users who have gone out of their way to modify the boot experience have made their own bed, and accomodating such deviations from the defaults is not a priority. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
Regarding this, I rebuilt a mountall package that fixed this bug and uploaded it to my PPA about two years ago. I added the --fsck-console option to mountall, and then added the option to enable this at boot time by adding the line FSCKCONSOLE=yes to /etc/defaults/rcS. From the changelog: * Added --fsck-console parameter to use console progress bar. To enable, add FSCKCONSOLE=yes to /etc/defaults/rcS. My PPA package is still sitting on Launchpad here: https://launchpad.net/~mark-syminet/+archive/syminet/+packages If this seems a good approach, I'm willing to spend the time to take a look at this again but only if someone is willing to consider getting it into the distribution, since I only want to use distribution packages on servers for critical boot-things like this. This really is a particularly nasty bug because servers can run for a long time without a power cut, etc. - but then that fateful day arrives and we are stuck without any idea if the remote machine is even hung, while bosses and customers are screaming about downtime demanding ETA's. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
On 09.10.2012 20:33, Mark - Syminet wrote: Regarding this, I rebuilt a mountall package that fixed this bug and uploaded it to my PPA about two years ago. I added the --fsck-console option to mountall, and then added the option to enable this at boot time by adding the line FSCKCONSOLE=yes to /etc/defaults/rcS. From the changelog: * Added --fsck-console parameter to use console progress bar. To enable, add FSCKCONSOLE=yes to /etc/defaults/rcS. My PPA package is still sitting on Launchpad here: https://launchpad.net/~mark-syminet/+archive/syminet/+packages If this seems a good approach, I'm willing to spend the time to take a look at this again but only if someone is willing to consider getting it into the distribution, since I only want to use distribution packages on servers for critical boot-things like this. This really is a particularly nasty bug because servers can run for a long time without a power cut, etc. - but then that fateful day arrives and we are stuck without any idea if the remote machine is even hung, while bosses and customers are screaming about downtime demanding ETA's. Could you perhaps update your package to version 2.41? @Steve: Would you then consider picking up the change developped by Mark? Cheers Mike -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 09:03:00PM -, Michael Neuffer wrote: Could you perhaps update your package to version 2.41? 2.42 now. @Steve: Would you then consider picking up the change developped by Mark? I don't think this is the right way to address this issue. This really needs to happen transparently, without having to change any config files. I think the best way to address this would be a change to the plymouth details theme, to make it process fsck progress information the way the ubuntu theme does. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
** Changed in: mountall (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: mountall (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
Having this problem in 12.04! ** Tags added: precise -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
Problem in 11.10 32bit also -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
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[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
Still no progress bar in Precise. This really is bad, particularly on server because we get stuck with very long fscks on large disks and the progress bar is critical during unexpected downtimes. We need to be able to provide at least rough ETA's for our bosses/customers, and have assurance the system isn't hung. I took a look at mountall.c and the following change restored the bar: 2247c2247 arg = NIH_MUST (nih_sprintf (NULL, -C%d, fds[1])); --- arg = NIH_MUST (nih_sprintf (NULL, -C, fds[1])); ...although I can see how this would obviously not work in the distribution, is there something we can do to restore the progress bar? Looking through the code, it shouldn't be hard to implament (e.g. a setting in /etc/default/rcS). ** Patch added: mountall.patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+attachment/2651043/+files/mountall.patch -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/765735/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
In regular desktop ubuntu, progress is not shown anymore in plymouth. which is annoyingly because of the reasons mentioned above. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
Also observed in Natty.Given that full fscks are rare (like, once every 6 months), it is not the first thing you think about when your machine seemingly hangs forever in the boot process. I ended up booting the machine with a rescue CD and mounting the disks by hand in order to find out what the heck was going on. That was an hour wasted. I'd much rather have seen a progress bar or the little twirly thing: -/|\-/|\-... This is *also* a problem in the regular desktop ubuntu. ** Changed in: mountall (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/765735 Title: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 765735] Re: mountall should cause fsck to show progress on text console
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