Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
So true; this issue is mainly rooted in the GNOME desktop environment and Nautilus.. Who's willing to start? I'd follow. :D -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:53 PM, nathanl...@gmail.com nathanl...@gmail.comwrote: Here are the options I see. Every one just gives new papercuts. 1. Change the folder it points to to the actual /home folder - which is a folder a normal user wouldn't care about. 2. Ad 's folder to username - This would assume too much about what a username is. If I have a username cars for some reason, the folder would be labeled cars's folder. Languages have too many crazy rules for this to work even in english. 3. Simply use the username as is - Thus we would be going to Placesnathan. Aside from being uncapitalized (by necessity, think iTunes vs ITunes), this is a poor metaphor for a desktop. It forces the user to think of nathan as a directory, rather than a name. 4. Leave the bug untreated, or at best combining both to Home Folder. --- 4 isn't even treating the issue. 1 and 2 make new problems which aren't easily overcome 3 is thus the least bad, and I think the only real solution we have available without changing the way we organize files. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Home Folder is called Home Folder in the Places menu, Home in nautilus toolbar and by user's name everywhere else. It should use a consistent name across the whole system.. Design Spec: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Spec/382703 -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
augias wrote: each session is a personalized experience. the person who logs in knows who he is and understands that a folder with his name on it is probably where all her or his things are. karmic solved this very well and i don't understand why it's still considered a papercut. I'm quite sure that person will be confused by some many 'usernames' at the panel. You would have username button (with IM icon!) that shuts down machine (with IM icon, remember?), restarts machine, changes IM status, changes password, and then you would have another username button (with folder icon) which brings you to your directory, but not to your files (cause your files are in Documents, Music, Downloads, etc). 'Click your username' (it sounds stupid already) 'Ok, now I can shutdown machine' 'Oh, sorry, the other username, the one under Places' 'Ok, now I see the same folders that were under Places menu. Why didn't I just click the right folder under Places menu?' If you want to call is 'username', then put it under existing 'username' button and don't confuse user with same button title that does different things. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Christian Kujau wrote: So, Ivanka: +1 on the short username! I also prefer this solution, glad to hear it is the one being considered. The user is very likely to understand and recognize their own username and it doesn't need to be translated. Plus it will be consistent with the actual directory structure of /home/username! -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just a test... Michael Rooney a écrit : On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Christian Kujau wrote: So, Ivanka: +1 on the short username! I also prefer this solution, glad to hear it is the one being considered. The user is very likely to understand and recognize their own username and it doesn't need to be translated. Plus it will be consistent with the actual directory structure of /home/username! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpD4aQACgkQKPYCdhn2v2wjBQCghMQSdFKZLq24Wa+B3y5QLNJj sqUAnA32f14BwG5IjOoaVxhuBbFkeOAg =M8Ue -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
virkang wrote:
And what about Username's Data ? This is easy to translate
Regarding translation, 's is common only in English, if I'm not
mistaken? Other languages are more complicated than that - they have
genders.
As for Slavic languages, I guess they'll just ignore English perception
and translate it as 'Personal folder' or something like that (or in
worst case just 'Username'). Cause, if user is female it would be
'Ivankini podaci' (Ivanka) and if it's male, it would be 'Petrovi
podaci' (Petar) - no, even 'Data of ${username}' isn't unique for both
genders. In my language it's almost impossible to translate
${username}'s and we always look how to avoid it.
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Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Bungaman wrote: My Files +1 from me :) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Alan Pope wrote: Given no other bookmarks under Places have 'folder' appended to them, why should 'home' ? If I'm articulating to someone how to find their home folder or answer the question Where's my stuff?, then saying Click places, then home sounds logical and succinct. This applies to the English localizations nicely, what about languages in which home doesn't translate well? Mat -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Ante Karamatić wrote: I doubt 'Homme' in French *blush* *blush* Maison :) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Alan Pope wrote: Given no other bookmarks under Places have 'folder' appended to them, why should 'home' ? I understand your logic and ti does make sense... in English :) I doubt 'Homme' in French makes sense. Home is a house, flat, not a directory on a computer (which is inside of a home). 'Kuća' in Croatian is also very... I said it already :) There's also Spanish. Casa? And if you think for a second, it's not that smart in English too. It's just that we got used to it calling it home. In you example, 'Where's my stuff?', you could easily say 'Click Places, then click My-Super-Cool-Folder' and it would still have the same effect as calling it Home/Flat/World. That's cause you didn't answer to the question, you explained the steps to the solution. Real world answers would be: 'In your home folder/directory.' 'In your home.' 'In your personal folder/directory.' Which one of those sounds most reasonable? -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Mat Tomaszewski wrote: This applies to the English localizations nicely, what about languages in which home doesn't translate well? Right. Big difference is that 'Home', actually, can't be translated in most of the languages. Home, in English, represents 'warm environment where you sleep and eat, where's your family, etc...'. Where Casa, Maison, Haus, Kuća are buildings. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Home can't be translated so there are only 2 options: - use personal folder - let the translator translate home into home if in the target language the translation doesn't seem ok, like in Italy we do for mouse -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I think you are are right -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Julián Alarcón wrote: And.. how do you will translate Home, for example.. to Spanish?? Casa??? Inicio?? This don't sound good.. The best is Home Folder. I agree that Home in English sounds better than Home Folder. This will not be the case in other languages, not only Spanish - we could again run into danger of inconsistent translations... Any other suggestions? -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
