Re: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Mads Peter Rommedahl wrote: > Not to sound like a complete retard, but how do you get that newer > kernel? I'm on jaunty and stuck with OSS because ALSA doesn't speak X-Fi > on kernel 2.6.28-13 It is definitely not a stupid question :) The best option is to wait until the next release and upgrade then, which will be 9.10 (Karmic Koala ) this October. If anyone else can confirm that it works out of the box on a Karmic alpha (install the daily build or wait until July 23rd when http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha3 will be up) then I'll mark as fixed! -- Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
Is this bug fixed for the "linux" task then? In what kernel does it start working out of the box? -- Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
>Is the unstable patch available for download & testing? I am running >Jaunty Alpha (current). Yes. It's the unstable snapshot in the link below. BE VERY CAREFUL. AN EARLIER VERSION MAY HAVE MADE MY MACHINE UNSTABLE. I lost some files. And although this is just the "drivers," work has progressed on other parts of alsa. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/alsa/alsa-driver/ -- Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
Someone reporting to the kernel project is working on it and, using one of his unstable driver demos, I have gotten mine to work. Susan -Original Message- >From: Craig Huffstetler >Sent: Feb 21, 2009 2:31 PM >To: susancra...@earthlink.net >Subject: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported > >Who has been assigned to this bug out of curiosity's sake? Is it only >assigned to ALSA at this point and no one in the Ubuntu project? > >-- >Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported >https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 >You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber >of the bug. -- Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
As an update, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=creative_xfi_gift&num=1should be promising. Sounds like Creative has now made their Linux X-Fi driver GPLv2! -- Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
Martin - first off, anyone has the right to complain especially when its presented in a salient way. I recognize this is not the most important thing for everyone, and Canonical certainly has no obligation whatsoever to make a particular piece of hardware work. Nevertheless, this continued failing is a valid point and does alienate a great many potential Ubuntu users. I'm delighted to hear there's work being done - but how long has this been worked on now?? 2+ years?? Let's not rehash the Creative drivers issue. For Windows they're a bloated mess. For Linux they simply don't work. Wouldn't the most constructive path here be to simply find a real solution? Cheers, ~Greg > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:00:00 + > Subject: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported > > Actually, there is ongoing work to support the X-Fi [1]. I think it's unfair > to complain on Creative here for the lack of Linux drivers, when they have > actually been available for a year or so [2] (64bit only, in beta). And this > spring they released 32bit drivers as well [3]. > Last time I used Creative drivers in Windows they were bloated and crippled, > and the Linux ones appears to have their issues on their own. I for one will > not buy Creative hardware again because of their terrible drivers. > I also think it's unfair of you to complain on Canonical for the lack of > packed drivers, because the drivers Creative released is still in beta and > doesn't always work properly. > And for the love of everything that's holy and some things that are not, > don't come dragging with the "OMG i will reinstall windows this suxx0rs" > argument. Many people are working hard to support your free operating system > choice, and most is not even getting paid for it. Personally I don't care > much of what OS you use, as long as you let me keep my preferences and work > in a OSS environment. > > 1: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njc3NQ > 2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4823915&postcount=675 > 3: http://connect.creativelabs.com/opensource/Wiki/SoundCard%20Support.aspx > > -- > Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in The Linux Kernel: New > Status in Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in “linux” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed > Status in “linux-source-2.6.17” source package in Ubuntu: Invalid > > Bug description: > New PC has this card. It's unsupported as far as i can tell. > > Please make it work :) > > 06:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs Unknown device 0005 > Subsystem: Creative Labs Unknown device 0021 > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- > Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- > Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium>TAbort- SERR- > Latency: 64 (1000ns min, 1250ns max), Cache Line Size: 64 bytes > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11 > Region 0: I/O ports at ec00 [size=32] > Region 1: Memory at fbe0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2M] > Region 3: Memory at f400 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64M] > Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2 > Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA > PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-) > Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- > Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/0 > Enable- > Address: Data: -- Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
Hello, You bring up a great point regarding driver support, and going forward I would not buy a Creative product. Not just because of their substandard Linux support but also for their fiasco with crippling their drivers for Vista users. I agree that for the most part the Linux community in general is great about offering support for most hardware. A few items have had persistent challenges - one of which is X-Fi support. I believe what you're hearing is not so much anger but frustration and disappointment about the reality that while Ubuntu can almost completely wean us off Windows (~98% of the time or more), not having proper sound support is a deal breaker for many. It's aggravating to have a robust, reliable OS like Ubuntu hobbled by this limitation. If you take even a cursory look at the Ubuntu help boards you'll see that this issue comes up frequently and without resolution. For what its worth there was one poster that gave detailed instructions that involved compiling the kernel yourself and using a modified version of the Creative drivers. I've personally tried this and it can get you marginal 2-channel sound, but it stutters and many features still don't work. I'd be happy to contribute to a reverse engineering effort of the X-Fi hardware, I've got some marginal programming experience however I've not seen an organized effort to make this happen - not even from ALSA. There's a substantial community of users who would really like to see this hurdle overcome. If there is a way for us to contribute, please let us know how? Cheers, ~Greg > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:13:13 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Shendai wrote: >> I never would have thought I'd need to use WINDOWS to get good sound. >> It's unfathomable, really. > > Windows isn't giving you good sound, Creative is with drivers. Tell > Creative you are a customer and you want them to support Linux, or > vote with your wallet for a company who already does. The problem is > that as soon as users abandon Linux because of poor driver support, > they tell the companies that they don't need to be supporting Linux! > It says, "I'd like for you to have Linux drivers, but I'll still buy > it if it doesn't and will use a different OS if need be". Imagine you > are in the companies position; it doesn't sound very profitable or > useful to support Linux, does it? > > I definitely understand the strong desire to have support here, but I > think a lot of the anger (and there definitely is unnecessary anger in > some of the comments here) is directed at the wrong place. Canonical > is providing a free product and doing a pretty impressive job of > reverse-engineering support for companies who ignore them, but they > can only go so far. Creative is the company that is taking your money > and not living up to your expectations, not Ubuntu, IMO. > > For the people mentioning accessibility, is it just that you need > sound, say for the blind or vision-impaired? Can't a cheap PCI or USB > sound card solve the issue in a usable way? Sorry if my ignorance in > this area is causing me to miss something; I am just trying to > understand the issues, so please let me know. > > -- > Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in The Linux Kernel: New > Status in Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in “linux” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed > Status in “linux-source-2.6.17” source package in Ubuntu: Invalid > > Bug description: > New PC has this card. It's unsupported as far as i can tell. > > Please make it work :) > > 06:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs Unknown device 0005 > Subsystem: Creative Labs Unknown device 0021 > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- > Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- > Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium>TAbort- SERR- > Latency: 64 (1000ns min, 1250ns max), Cache Line Size: 64 bytes > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11 > Region 0: I/O ports at ec00 [size=32] > Region 1: Memory at fbe0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2M] > Region 3: Memory at f400 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64M] > Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2 > Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA > PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-) > Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- > Capabilities: [
Re: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Shendai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I never would have thought I'd need to use WINDOWS to get good sound. > It's unfathomable, really. Windows isn't giving you good sound, Creative is with drivers. Tell Creative you are a customer and you want them to support Linux, or vote with your wallet for a company who already does. The problem is that as soon as users abandon Linux because of poor driver support, they tell the companies that they don't need to be supporting Linux! It says, "I'd like for you to have Linux drivers, but I'll still buy it if it doesn't and will use a different OS if need be". Imagine you are in the companies position; it doesn't sound very profitable or useful to support Linux, does it? I definitely understand the strong desire to have support here, but I think a lot of the anger (and there definitely is unnecessary anger in some of the comments here) is directed at the wrong place. Canonical is providing a free product and doing a pretty impressive job of reverse-engineering support for companies who ignore them, but they can only go so far. Creative is the company that is taking your money and not living up to your expectations, not Ubuntu, IMO. For the people mentioning accessibility, is it just that you need sound, say for the blind or vision-impaired? Can't a cheap PCI or USB sound card solve the issue in a usable way? Sorry if my ignorance in this area is causing me to miss something; I am just trying to understand the issues, so please let me know. -- Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
I second the motion! It is an epic failure on the part of ALSA, Canonical, Creative and the others (who all point fingers at each other as the responsible party for this situation.) This almost turned me off Linux completely. For the 2nd time. I never would have thought I'd need to use WINDOWS to get good sound. It's unfathomable, really. Cheers, ~Greg > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:14:58 + > Subject: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported > > I wish someone would respond to this. Look how long this has been (first > post to last post). > > This is really a usability, accessibility (people can not even USE > UBUNTU because of this!) etc. It's impairing handicap users and this is > *MAJOR* handicap (if not a deal-breaker for people trying use Ubuntu, I > know a use-case above proves this in multiple cases cited). > > I do not understand why a major Creative Soundblaster Card, the one most > pushed on the market and by Dell, is not supported or attempted to be > supported yet 2 years later. > > I really think this needs be addressed (it deserves to be escalated) and > people need to be kept informed of the status. > > Sincerely, > > Craig Huffstetler > > -- > Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in The Linux Kernel: New > Status in Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in “linux” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed > Status in “linux-source-2.6.17” source package in Ubuntu: Invalid > > Bug description: > New PC has this card. It's unsupported as far as i can tell. > > Please make it work :) > > 06:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs Unknown device 0005 > Subsystem: Creative Labs Unknown device 0021 > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- > Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- > Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- > SERR-Latency: 64 (1000ns min, 1250ns max), Cache Line Size: 64 bytes > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11 > Region 0: I/O ports at ec00 [size=32] > Region 1: Memory at fbe0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2M] > Region 3: Memory at f400 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64M] > Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2 > Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA > PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-) > Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- > Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/0 > Enable- > Address: Data: -- Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
Ubuntu's inability to support the Soundblaster X-Fi soundcards properly is perhaps one of the most egregious failings of the OS. Think about it - the people who actually care enough about their PC sound experience to buy a top-of-the-line card are the ones who are hosed! People with integrated MB sound or who might not really care about having the best audio experience have support just fine. What's wrong with this picture??? Regards, Greg B. > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:26:36 + > Subject: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported > > Oh yeah, and I agree, this should be more than a wishlist item. If I > did not have an old Audigy card to stab into my machine I would be in > Windows right now. > > -- > Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in The Linux Kernel: New > Status in Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in “linux” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed > Status in “linux-source-2.6.17” source package in Ubuntu: Invalid > > Bug description: > New PC has this card. It's unsupported as far as i can tell. > > Please make it work :) > > 06:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs Unknown device 0005 > Subsystem: Creative Labs Unknown device 0021 > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- > Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- > Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- > SERR-Latency: 64 (1000ns min, 1250ns max), Cache Line Size: 64 bytes > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11 > Region 0: I/O ports at ec00 [size=32] > Region 1: Memory at fbe0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2M] > Region 3: Memory at f400 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64M] > Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2 > Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA > PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-) > Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- > Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/0 > Enable- > Address: Data: -- Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 63352] Re: Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported
Hello, No - this does not work, nor should we expect it to unless support for the X-Fi is added to the kernel. This is, as I understand it, more of a function of ALSA. Until ALSA is updated to work with this gen of hardware, every user of the X-Fi is basically out of luck. I should note that following an obscure link, I did recompile my existing kernel from Hardy and used a tweaked Creative Linux driver to get the card working. It still worked quite poorly, with only stereo support (no 5.1) and it would stutter, especially when multitasking. I'm /really/ hoping this will get addressed by the ALSA team soon as many of us (myself included) have reverted to using motherboard onboard sound as a stopgap solution. Cheers, ~Greg Leann Ogasawara wrote: > The Ubuntu Kernel Team is planning to move to the 2.6.27 kernel for the > upcoming Intrepid Ibex 8.10 release. As a result, the kernel team would > appreciate it if you could please test this newer 2.6.27 Ubuntu kernel. > There are one of two ways you should be able to test: > > 1) If you are comfortable installing packages on your own, the linux- > image-2.6.27-* package is currently available for you to install and > test. > > --or-- > > 2) The upcoming Alpha5 for Intrepid Ibex 8.10 will contain this newer > 2.6.27 Ubuntu kernel. Alpha5 is set to be released Thursday Sept 4. > Please watch http://www.ubuntu.com/testing for Alpha5 to be announced. > You should then be able to test via a LiveCD. > > Please let us know immediately if this newer 2.6.27 kernel resolves the > bug reported here or if the issue remains. More importantly, please > open a new bug report for each new bug/regression introduced by the > 2.6.27 kernel and tag the bug report with 'linux-2.6.27'. Also, please > specifically note if the issue does or does not appear in the 2.6.26 > kernel. Thanks again, we really appreicate your help and feedback. > > ** Tags added: cft-2.6.27 > > -- Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/63352 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
