Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
John Nilsson wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 21:13 +0200, Eric Feliksik wrote: I agree with you that the dialog doesn't talk by itself. This could be softened by a help-thing, which is better than nothing. But can we do something about the problem itself? Isn't the problem that it tries to do to much? It's called the logout dialog, to me this is a small hint that you use it when you want to logout. Why is it crammed with all the other cruft? It it's crammed with all the cruft because we wanted to provide all those options to our users, and we didn't know how to do it better. I agree the dialog is sub-optimal. I agree log out dialog isn't appropriate when more than half of the options don't log you out. Do you have a good suggestion for improvement? Something constructive (like http://librarian.launchpad.net/1632715/logout4x.png vs. current dialog, other possible approaches, etcetera) It is late in the release cycle, and chances are the dialog won't/can't be changed anymore, but you constructive suggestions are always most welcome. (Pointing to the things that are currently bad is ok, but suggesting a nicer alternative is better). Thanks, Eric -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 12:37 +0200, Eric Feliksik wrote: It is late in the release cycle, and chances are the dialog won't/can't be changed anymore, but you constructive suggestions are always most welcome. (Pointing to the things that are currently bad is ok, but suggesting a nicer alternative is better). Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. I guess some frustration got through there. I've been trying to suggest that some of the unrelated functionality would be better off in the System menu. Regards, John -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
Hi ! Here's a new version of the dialog : http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png Many people found that the dialog was too large ; therefore, I stacked the help messages next to the Cancel button and reduced the spacing a bit. This also solves a few layout problems (expanding window). Comments welcome. About the choice of designing a dialog with 6 or 7 options, I'm not the one who decides about this (I'm just trying to make a good layout with nice icons and text), but I do think it's a logical choice. * I believe the main purpose for this multi-option dialog is to let users have this main top-right applet flow to let them perform all exit action. * Log out as the name of the menu entry is definitely misleading, and we're trying to find the best wording to replace it (suggestions welcome !). * The dialog indeed has many options. I agree that some of those should be activated automatically (eg when a laptop lid is closed), but those automatic behaviors are not yet working as they should, and meanwhile we probably need the options in a dialog. Cheers, Manu -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
On 3/31/06, Manu Cornet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi ! Here's a new version of the dialog : http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png Many people found that the dialog was too large ; therefore, I stacked the help messages next to the Cancel button and reduced the spacing a bit. This also solves a few layout problems (expanding window). Comments welcome. About the choice of designing a dialog with 6 or 7 options, I'm not the one who decides about this (I'm just trying to make a good layout with nice icons and text), but I do think it's a logical choice. * I believe the main purpose for this multi-option dialog is to let users have this main top-right applet flow to let them perform all exit action. * Log out as the name of the menu entry is definitely misleading, and we're trying to find the best wording to replace it (suggestions welcome !). * The dialog indeed has many options. I agree that some of those should be activated automatically (eg when a laptop lid is closed), but those automatic behaviors are not yet working as they should, and meanwhile we probably need the options in a dialog. I think changing the wording of the tooltip of the logout applet would help clarify its purpose. Currently it says Log out of this session to log in as a different users - that doesn't give any hints that it contains other, more useful options. Also, as I understand, gnome-power-manager runs by default (does it get added to the panel on upgrades?), and includes the right-click options sleep and hibernate already, making the logout applet ones kind of redundant. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
Hi ! I think changing the wording of the tooltip of the logout applet would help clarify its purpose. Currently it says Log out of this session to log in as a different users - that doesn't give any hints that it contains other, more useful options. Yes, that's being worked on as well, see bug #33315. Cheers, Manu -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
Manu Cornet wrote: About the choice of designing a dialog with 6 or 7 options, I'm not the one who decides about this (I'm just trying to make a good layout with nice icons and text), but I do think it's a logical choice. * I believe the main purpose for this multi-option dialog is to let users have this main top-right applet flow to let them perform all exit action. Then shouldn't this be a separate dialogue? I don't even *have* the top right button - my panel stops about halfway across the screen and it doesn't have the button even then. IMHO, this is a foolish consistency. Personally, if you're just trying to give a quick way to manage your session and computer power state, I think the dialogue that you get from that button should just have log out, lock screen (named Lock Session), hibernate (named Power Off) or shutdown if hibernate is not considered safe, and cancel. If they want to do anything else, there is always System-Log Out, and System-Shut Down (or there was in GNOME 2.14). If it were done like that I think it would then make a lot of sense to have such different actions on the dialogue. Maybe alter the GNOME dialogues to give the same feel as the top-right exit icon - and this dialogue *does* feel *really* nice. * Log out as the name of the menu entry is definitely misleading, and we're trying to find the best wording to replace it (suggestions welcome !). See above re the foolish consistency. If it's such a labour to have it all make sense the user probably won't fathom the chosen idiom. -- Tristan Wibberley -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
Manu Cornet wrote: * Log out as the name of the menu entry is definitely misleading, and we're trying to find the best wording to replace it (suggestions welcome !). If we put them all together, maybe exit is the right word. Whether you lockleave or log-out, that's up to you. Either you exit your session and continue working, or you stop working and exit the room. Don't know how well this translates, maybe leave can be translated, but in English exit is more recognized for these tasks. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
