Re: removing themes
Ysgrifennodd Wouter Stomp: > Something like Gnome-Art Next Gen would be nice to include by default, > allowing easy access to plenty of new wallpapers and themes, including > the official gnome ones. A video showcasing it is at > http://www.vimeo.com/1354516 aha, so there is already something like this? Saves me the work :) Thomas -- Thomas Thurman, tthurman at gnome, http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman There is a ferocious cave bear eyeing you from the far end of the room! -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: removing themes
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Mark Shuttleworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas, has there been any discussion about creating a standardised online > repo of themes, with dynamic access from the appearance manager? Then we > could highlight the standard GNOME themes there. > Something like Gnome-Art Next Gen would be nice to include by default, allowing easy access to plenty of new wallpapers and themes, including the official gnome ones. A video showcasing it is at http://www.vimeo.com/1354516 Wouter. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: removing themes
Thomas Thurman wrote: > Ysgrifennodd Kenneth Wimer: > >> I think that if we replaced the aging themes we could, in their place, >> include >> a couple of interesting new ones. I think users would get much more out of >> being able to select a modern sexy theme. In this way we offer our default >> theme, accessability themes and a few beautiful, sexy themes. >> > > Do you have any appropriately-licensed beautiful, sexy themes you want > to contribute to upstream? I'm quite happy to consider them. > > >> I realize that the upstream issue is important but I wonder what gnome is >> thinking when they offer "glider" or "crux" as a modern theme for their >> users. >> > > Nobody's suggested taking them out yet. If you want to suggest taking them > out, the usual way is buying the maintainers a beer^W^W^W^W^W raising a bug. > A beer is the solution to many problems! I hope there's room for creative differences without ruffling feathers. I'm determined we offer the standard GNOME theme portfolio in main, but also keen to make sure that the initial set of themes has a consistent look and feel. Thomas, has there been any discussion about creating a standardised online repo of themes, with dynamic access from the appearance manager? Then we could highlight the standard GNOME themes there. Mark -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: removing themes
Ysgrifennodd Kenneth Wimer: > I think that if we replaced the aging themes we could, in their place, > include > a couple of interesting new ones. I think users would get much more out of > being able to select a modern sexy theme. In this way we offer our default > theme, accessability themes and a few beautiful, sexy themes. Do you have any appropriately-licensed beautiful, sexy themes you want to contribute to upstream? I'm quite happy to consider them. > I realize that the upstream issue is important but I wonder what gnome is > thinking when they offer "glider" or "crux" as a modern theme for their > users. Nobody's suggested taking them out yet. If you want to suggest taking them out, the usual way is buying the maintainers a beer^W^W^W^W^W raising a bug. Thomas -- Thomas Thurman, tthurman at gnome, http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman They're just rocks. (Dusty ones, that is.) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: removing themes
On Friday 10 October 2008 21:50:17 Vincent Untz wrote: > Le jeudi 09 octobre 2008, à 23:33 +0200, Kenneth Wimer a écrit : > > I think that if we replaced the aging themes we could, in their place, > > include a couple of interesting new ones. I think users would get much > > more out of being able to select a modern sexy theme. In this way we > > offer our default theme, accessability themes and a few beautiful, sexy > > themes. > > Sounds like something that should be done upstream ;-) I am not sure if this is the kind of change which can start upstream. My experience has shown that any discussion on or around legacy themeing within a community of developers/long-time-enthusiasts ends with lots of discussion without any real action. Sometimes it takes a distribution to stand up and take the plunge, then everything else falls somewhat in line, eventually. I doubt that our solution will be the long-term solution but it might just help to start the revaluation of opinions. Any given theme is eventually no longer desired/needed in a default desktop selection. It is always hard to remove something which came before but if we don't do that we lose our appeal to new users. Does mac or win ship something like glider or crux? As for the Mist theme, I know quite a few people who use it and really like it. I imagine keeping one theme like this would not be an issue. Mist is really fast and really simple so it should/could/would cover the needs of all those who want something a bit more simple. -- Kenneth -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: removing themes
Le jeudi 09 octobre 2008, à 23:33 +0200, Kenneth Wimer a écrit : > I think that if we replaced the aging themes we could, in their place, > include > a couple of interesting new ones. I think users would get much more out of > being able to select a modern sexy theme. In this way we offer our default > theme, accessability themes and a few beautiful, sexy themes. Sounds like something that should be done upstream ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: removing themes
Ysgrifennodd Martin Pitt: > What is the rationale of this? They are part of GNOME upstream, so > both upstream and users would get pretty angry about it (and upstream > already explicitly expressed that). When did we say that? (Not saying we didn't, just that I might have lost track.) T -- Thomas Thurman, tthurman at gnome, http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman collection of adventure game materials -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: removing themes
Ysgrifennodd Brett Alton: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I use mist, even though it is fugly compared to Clearlooks, because it is > > BLAZINGLY fast. > > I think the point of their argument is that you can install that from > apt if you need it, but it shouldn't be installed by default for > aesthetics and size reasons. Maybe the package could install only one of them depending on the speed of your computer. peace Thomas -- Thomas Thurman, tthurman at gnome, http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman You are in the giant room. The ceiling here is too high up for your lamp to show it. Cavernous passages lead east, north, and south. On the west wall is scrawled the inscription, "Fee fie foe foo" [sic]. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: removing themes
> I think the point of their argument is that you can install that from > apt if you need it, but it shouldn't be installed by default for > aesthetics and size reasons. ...and it was quickly pointed out that the size was insignificant/negligible in this case, wasn't it? If you guys are concerned about file size on a live CD, and think that forking the binaries is not expensive, then why not focus your size optimization on something that would bring significantly more effective results? See this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/272779 Otherwise, I don't think the themes that weigh a few kilobytes would need such attention when the second heaviest package in Ubuntu's default install isn't getting any love on the same aspect. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: removing themes
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to voice my user opinion on the matter. > > I use mist, even though it is fugly compared to Clearlooks, because it is > BLAZINGLY fast. The two are not even in the same "fruit family" comparing > them, especially if you are running at 1920x1200 and dealing with webpages. > For example, have, say, 30-50 tabs open in epiphany-gecko (or Firefox, for > that matter, but Ephy is faster for switching tabs already, since you can > use the mouse wheel scroll). With mist, tab switches are instantaneous, with > Clearlooks, it can take a second or so. > > Same goes for painting windows (ex: switching workspaces with metacity). > > Or scrolling webpages (especially gmail). > > Mist makes a lot of sense on those > not-quadcore-with-a-512mb-intel-video-card scenarios, perhaps the other > gnome themes have their special usefulness in that regard too. > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > > I think the point of their argument is that you can install that from apt if you need it, but it shouldn't be installed by default for aesthetics and size reasons. -- Brett Alton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you really need to print this email? Help preserve our environment! -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: removing themes
I'd like to voice my user opinion on the matter. I use mist, even though it is fugly compared to Clearlooks, because it is BLAZINGLY fast. The two are not even in the same "fruit family" comparing them, especially if you are running at 1920x1200 and dealing with webpages. For example, have, say, 30-50 tabs open in epiphany-gecko (or Firefox, for that matter, but Ephy is faster for switching tabs already, since you can use the mouse wheel scroll). With mist, tab switches are instantaneous, with Clearlooks, it can take a second or so. Same goes for painting windows (ex: switching workspaces with metacity). Or scrolling webpages (especially gmail). Mist makes a lot of sense on those not-quadcore-with-a-512mb-intel-video-card scenarios, perhaps the other gnome themes have their special usefulness in that regard too. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
