Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Crash Database

[Bryce Harrington]

On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 11:44:41AM -0400, Ted Gould wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 15:39 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> > For Precise, I don't think we want to try to undertake implementation,
> > but it would be nice to get the design more fleshed out and perhaps do a
> > proof of concept implementation.
> 
> Is that decided?

No but the full implementation seems like a hefty amount of work and I
don't think anyone's going to be working implementation for this project
full time.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Like mpt said, it's been discussed now for a couple years but there
hasn't been that much progress.  A proof of concept would at least help
in getting the design nailed down.  If there's manpower available to do
more than that, well that would be great.  I too would love to see this
available in some form or other for the LTS.

Bryce

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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop sound theme,effects?

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2011-10-04 20:43, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> That's a small topic, but the current sound theme and effects are not
> great, the "sound effect" configuration tab doesn't make lot of sense
> either. Would somebody be interested to pick up on that and improvement
> it next cycle? We were also speaking about disabling the startup sound
> so it would be nice to have an easy way to turn it back on for those who
> like it ;-)

Next cycle? :(

>From a user experience perspective I think this is rather important. If
at all possible, I would suggest that Jeremy's
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/libcanberra/ubuntu/revision/132
is uploaded in 11.10.

With that one mistake from https://launchpad.net/bugs/803917 would be
corrected.

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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Crash Database

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

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Ted Gould wrote on 08/10/11 16:44:
> 
> On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 15:39 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
>> 
>> For Precise, I don't think we want to try to undertake 
>> implementation, but it would be nice to get the design more 
>> fleshed out and perhaps do a proof of concept implementation.
> 
> Is that decided?
> 
> ...


Not by those who are working on it, that's for sure. It was targeted
for Oneiric, and there's no reason to delay it for an entire year.

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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] control center cleanup

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

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Rodrigo Moya wrote on 06/10/11 15:23:
> ...
> 
> For Oneiric we went the easy route of adding a way to run external
> applications for the stuff we wanted in the control center. But
> this looks quite bad (some panels are embedded, others run a
> separate application), so for P I'd like us to do a cleanup and
> avoid as much as possible having external windows.
> 
> So, here's a list of what we have:
> 
> * jockey: this could perfectly fit in the System Info panel


I wouldn't call it a "perfect fit", but that's one possibility.
Another is Ubuntu Software Center
, and another is Update Manager.

> * language-selector: we just need ability to install languages and 
> input method support in the region panel to completely remove this


I'm working on the design for that one.


> * software sources: also maybe as part of the System Info panel, 
> which does updates?


The System Info panel shouldn't be in System Settings in the first
place. It isn't settings.

> the tricky one is Ubuntu One, so I guess we'd have to leave it as 
> it is, or write a panel that just embeds the u1-panel window? ...


It should embed into the System Settings window on Ubuntu, and into
the Control Panel window on Windows.

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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Crash Database

[Dereck Wonnacott]

I think this database would be just plain awesome! Some thoughts from the
peanut gallery:

I frequently don't submit crashes to launchpad because #1 I don't have time,
or #2 am lacking an Internet connection at the time, so

* If the system is configured to "report statistical data" in software
sources can we assume that it's alright to collect crash data too? (#1)
* If it wasn't selected during install, perhaps we can ask after the first
crash.
* we could save the apport crash reports into a directory so that when an
internet connection is detected, a queue of crash reports can be uploaded at
once. (#2)

I think the whole thing should be as automatic as possible to get the most
complete record of crashes as possible.

~Dereck

“The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and
falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark.” -
Michelangelo


On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Ted Gould  wrote:

> On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 15:39 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> > For Precise, I don't think we want to try to undertake implementation,
> > but it would be nice to get the design more fleshed out and perhaps do a
> > proof of concept implementation.
>
> Is that decided?  I was really hoping that we could get this for P as
> being able to keep crash reporting on after release would really help
> with successive LTS minor versions.
>
> Is there a way we could simplify the server side (just make it a generic
> frontend for Launchpad) to make the desktop side a reasonable
> deliverable for P?
>
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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Crash Database

[Ted Gould]

On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 15:39 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> For Precise, I don't think we want to try to undertake implementation,
> but it would be nice to get the design more fleshed out and perhaps do a
> proof of concept implementation.

Is that decided?  I was really hoping that we could get this for P as
being able to keep crash reporting on after release would really help
with successive LTS minor versions.

Is there a way we could simplify the server side (just make it a generic
frontend for Launchpad) to make the desktop side a reasonable
deliverable for P?

--Ted



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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Video playback?

[Frank]

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Shane Fagan
wrote:

> Hey Didier,
>
> > People trying to use video have the same critics that when
> > they don't look the audio support: slow to start, confusing interface and
> so
> > on.
>
> Well there is a bit of an interesting give and take here and it should
> be talked about. The people who complain about a player being slow to
> load are not the people that are really in the target any more its
> people who want more features but dont care if it takes 2-20 seconds
> to open.


For me, I cannot agree at all, all features should be in plugins and by
default applications should offer absolutely minimum features so that they
load as quickly as possible. Then, as users wish to do something, the plugin
can be loaded on demand - the currently situation is that all plugins are
loaded automatically but this takes additional time.

For instance, users will accept that a video takes 5-10 secs to load I
think, because they are waiting for something they directly want to do, they
will be pleased once it is playing and forget about the wait - this is seen
in the popularity of streaming sites. Yet, taking "2-20 secs" to even begin
doing what you wish to do? The user will be deeply frustrated.

This is of course utterly opinionated, but as we see in the focus of system
boot times, the user really cares about how long it takes to start doing
what they want. Linux is perceived as slow simply because we create a
situation where the application responds well - we load everything just in
case the user wants to use it.
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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Video playback?

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

Shane Fagan wrote on 05/10/11 07:59:
>

Hey Didier,


People trying to use video have the same critics that when
they don't look the audio support: slow to start, confusing interface
and so on.


Well there is a bit of an interesting give and take here and it should
be talked about. The people who complain about a player being slow to
load are not the people that are really in the target any more its
people who want more features but dont care if it takes 2-20 seconds
to open.
...


[citation needed]

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