Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
Il 13/02/2012 04:16, scott ha scritto: On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote: Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in making it. Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least. Those who REALLY like it (yours truly included) don't feel the urge to start 12567 threads about how much they like it over vanilla Gnome or Window Maker (I absolutely LOVE bot Unity and WM - again, different tools for different purpouses) :) -- Tobia Tesan tobia.te...@gmail.com Marvelous! The super-user's going to boot me! What a finely tuned response to the situation! -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
Debian,Gentoo,Slackware,Ubuntu I use all four, for different purpouses, of course. You use all four?? GNOME,Unity,KDE,Xfce ohdifferent tools for different purposes ohmy god. Maybe that's why linux desktop market share never greater than 10%. All decisions so far regarding Ubuntu's design and Unity have been made by large groups of people, and every decision has been influenced a lot by user testing and feedback Maybe,because linux desktop developers only have been listening to those users who already are using linux and like it. Maybe... 2012/2/13 Tobia Tesan tobia.te...@gmail.com Il 13/02/2012 04:16, scott ha scritto: On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote: Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in making it. Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least. Those who REALLY like it (yours truly included) don't feel the urge to start 12567 threads about how much they like it over vanilla Gnome or Window Maker (I absolutely LOVE bot Unity and WM - again, different tools for different purpouses) :) -- Tobia Tesan tobia.te...@gmail.com Marvelous! The super-user's going to boot me! What a finely tuned response to the situation! -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.**com ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-**desktophttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re:Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
In fact, I also merely use Vim/Emacs/Terminal developping in most time. These suggestions for Ubuntu desktop's development. Pitifully,so far, linux desktop users, geek tech programmer are the majority. Maybe ... Linux desktop market share still never greater than 10% , in the future. Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Tobia Tesan ha scritto: Il 13/02/2012 10:47, Life Monad ha scritto: Debian,Gentoo,Slackware,Ubuntu I use all four, for different purpouses, of course. You use all four?? GNOME,Unity,KDE,Xfce No. I'm not touching KDE with a 4-foot pole (sorry, KDE folks, you are doing a great job, but I'm just not a KDE guy :). I also find GNOME2 neither fish nor flesh these days. I run Oneiric+Unity on my everyday laptop (making it, among other advantages, girlfriend-compliant :) and either Slackware+FVWM or Debian+WindowMaker on my decrepit laptop and/or on my EEEPC, when I need a distractions-free envinronment to run an Emacs session and maybe pine on an otherwise sluggish machine. Debian is also my server OS of choice, Gentoo is for playing around :) Makes perfect sense to me. ohdifferent tools for different purposes Do you seriously think that I should attempt to run Unity on a S3 Virge and/or I should slap FVWM on my girlfriend's uber-specced MBP and teach her how to edit .fvwmrc? :) Maybe,because linux desktop developers only have been listening to those users who already are using linux and like it. Maybe... Oh, come one, Unity is a definite step in the opposite direction. Everybody knows that real developers don't even use a DE, they do everything within an emacs session :P (See also: http://xkcd.com/378/) But enough about me - seriously, if you don't like Ubuntu, why not just use Debian? It basically IS Ubuntu minus the bits you don't like. -- Tobia Tesantobia.te...@gmail.com tobia.te...@gmail.com This fortune is encrypted -- get your decoder rings ready! -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
Sorry,It means : users who agree with me,who like me,tasted ubuntu's new version but disappoint it. ...Hn..Obviously you known. After trying Kubuntu I was a bit annoyed. So, maybe full of complaint. (I know that Canonical will no longer provide financial support to the development of Kubuntu after the April release of Kubuntu 12.04.) However,thank you for your work. Maybe, because I'm tired. 2012/2/13 John Rowland Lenton john.len...@canonical.com On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:49 +0800, Ji Cheng lifemo...@gmail.com wrote: *Ubuntu,Please listen to us. The voice from users! * my apologies, I seem to have missed the vote that made you my spokesperson. Where and when was it? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
Don't mistake the loudest opinions for the majority opinion. There are plenty of people who, like me, really enjoy using Unity everyday. We just don't hijack every blog of Google+ comment thread to say so. ... and more probably than not, there are unfortunately just as much people - like me, who do NOT enjoy their daily unity but do use it devoid of grumbling, because they´re committed to the rest of ubuntu (for months, it seems to me, as if there has merely been a copy of unity on some ISOs or CDs ?)- also without blogging it everywhere (sorry, first time happens here) :-( -- Peace, Thomas sent from Ubuntu -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Life Monad lifemo...@gmail.com wrote: But when I see Unity,I am confused. Did I need test my program on Unity? These desktop env have different API UX. Programs can't do a good seamless integration with desktop env(also file managers such as Nautilus . Konqueror). Every desktop environment has some differences. Many share common APIs. What actually is your point. You should not expect a KDE application to run as smoothly in Unity/GNOME as it runs in KDE. Some integration might be missing. Hn...Ha... Why not GNOME X.X? Great Unification. I like GNOME shell, but again it is personal choice. Use whatever you want Ubuntu,Please listen to us. The voice from users! I never voted you to be the voice of users. Please speak for yourself. Office suit has changed only once and there is a genuine reason. Window buttons has changed only once. You want a dumb theme? Why drop Unity? Just because you don't like it? Many users like Unity. They just use it with satisfaction without spamming the Internet on how much they like Unity (unlike Unity haters) Now,I choose Xubuntu, never Unity I am happy you found your choice of desktop in the Ubuntu family. I found mine. There is an extremely loud vocal minority which hates Unity, due to which many people fall in a delusion that everyone hates Unity. You want to know what is the problem with any Ubuntu discussion these days? People can't just talk about anything these days without facing the Unity hater crowd. Look at this. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sl8EjF5vsf4/Tzis4sfU5tI/EP0/Pb0Eafp1WmE/s924/unitycommonsense.png I know you are tired. You need rest while the Ubuntu developers are listening to their users and striking a fine balance between satisfying everyone's personal pet wish and developing the desktop which can be used by the majority. The best solution is not just blindly listening to users and doing what they ask for. Sometimes you need to say a firm NO and do what actually is good for everyone rather than listen to someone and fulfill his pet wish. You must have heard this quote from Henry Ford: -- If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse. -- Manish -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
_Ubuntu,Please listen to us. The voice from users! _ Dear The Voice [1], I've read your posts and I tried really hard to make out what are you trying to tell us. I really did. It seems to me that you are generally displeased with Ubuntu. Other than that, you generated a lot of noise and made much ado about nothing. I don't like peanut butter and you don't see me writing emails to peanut butter companies telling them that their products taste awful and that they should really make something like Nutella. If you have something meaningful to add, to criticize or to tell Ubuntu developers, please do, by all means. Make a list of specific things that are bothering you and present them in a civilized way to the relevant people. You indeed have this option and there are numerous ways on how you can do this, but please, be brief and be specific. When you say: I don't like Ubuntu. Nobody, without a crystal ball or a pack of fortune tellers cards, can't really tell what is bothering you. I do apologize for the rant, but this thread isn't upsetting just my mailbox, it reached my bowels. :/ Regards, David [1] - addressed to the original poster, but for everyone who _knows_ that Unity sucks and they _know_ everybody is running away from Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: CFT: ClickPad support
Chase Douglas schrieb folgendes am 12.02.2012 19:56: On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Chris Van Hoof vanh...@canonical.com wrote: Hey Chase, thanks a lot, thats a good thing! This morning I thought it should be easier to work with Ubuntu when you forget your external mouse :) Your scripts work, but there are some glitches. Context menus only show up if I touch specific points in the upper area of the right button area. If I use the lower area, nothing happens, but I guess you know that already. If you need more feedback and data, drop me a line. br Kristian On 02/11/2012 04:58 PM, Chase Douglas wrote: Hi all, I've spent some time working on making ClickPad trackpads work better. I have put the end result up at ppa:chasedouglas/clickpad. I would like some testing feedback for the changes. In this context, a ClickPad is any touchpad with buttons integrated into the touch surface. This includes many variations of Synaptics trackpads and all the multitouch Apple trackpads. However, not all devices are detected as clickpads by the kernel, so you may need to manually override the clickpad detection. I have attached two scripts. The first enables clickpad support, and the second enables a right button area in the lower right corner of the trackpad. The 'right button area should overlap with the right button area painted on some ClickPads. You are free to enable or disable it as you wish. The scripts require the device name or id as the first argument. You can query the device name and id by running xinput list. So what does this do? * You can now perform click-and-drag with two separate fingers * With the right button area enabled, a button press in the area will fire a right button press instead of a left button press * Click actions are possible, but they are an advanced feature I don't want to support yet by detailing them here If we get good feedback on this, then I would like to push it into Precise. I also want to add a checkbox to the mouse settings preferences to enable the right button area too. Thanks for testing! -- Chase Just ran through a dist-upgrade to make sure I was current, added your PPA and pulled in the new x-x-i-synaptics package. ... enabled both scripts with my magic trackpad and did a bit of testing with the program I have been wanting this support for since I purchased it, Thunderbird :) Everything is working flawlessly, lower right gives me right click, and I can easily move items around now after a click and hold. I'll keep testing things out and will report any oddities if I run across any. Would you prefer I give you a ping or file a bug if anything comes up? Replying to this thread would be best. That way everyone can see any potential issues when a decision is made on pushing to precise. The changes are not trivial, so all feedback is helpful. Thanks! -- Chase -- Kristian Kißling, Editor in chief, Ubuntu User (www.ubuntu-user.de) Linux New Media AG, Putzbrunner Straße 71, 81739 München, Germany kkissl...@linuxnewmedia.de - kkissl...@ubuntu-user.de Follow us on: * http://www.facebook.com/ubuntuuser * https://plus.google.com/b/104445680837136693941/ * https://joindiaspora.com/u/ubuntu_user_germany * http://twitter.com/Ubuntu_User_De Linux New Media - The Pulse of Open Source Malaga - Manchester - München - Sao Paulo - Warszawa http://www.linuxnewmedia.de --- Sitz der Gesellschaft: Putzbrunner Straße 71, 81739 München Fon: ++49 (89) 993 41 100 Amtsgericht München: HRB 129161 Vorstand: Brian Osborn, Hermann Plank Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Rudolf Strobl -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: CFT: ClickPad support
On 02/13/2012 11:56 PM, Kristian Kißling wrote: Chase Douglas schrieb folgendes am 12.02.2012 19:56: On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Chris Van Hoof vanh...@canonical.com wrote: Hey Chase, thanks a lot, thats a good thing! This morning I thought it should be easier to work with Ubuntu when you forget your external mouse :) Your scripts work, but there are some glitches. Context menus only show up if I touch specific points in the upper area of the right button area. If I use the lower area, nothing happens, but I guess you know that already. If you need more feedback and data, drop me a line. How big (in height % of overall touchpad) is the lower area where right click doesn't work? Some of these trackpads produce locations outside of the reported max and min values. I wonder if where you are clicking is above the maximum in the Y direction (Y coordinates are from top to bottom). Is that the only glitch you see? -- Chase -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
