Re: Logout dialog : strings
On 4/18/06, Sebastian Heinlein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 18.04.2006, 00:01 +0200 schrieb Manu Cornet: > > Hi ! > > > > > It is common to skip the final dot in tooltips. I would also suggest this > > > here. > > > > But the problem here is that some of the texts have several sentences :) > > So either you drop the final dot at the end of each label (weird : > > "Hello everybody. And hello again"), or really everywhere (even more > > weird : "Hello everybody And hello again"), or you add it just to the > > labels with 2+ sentences (still weird : some labels will end with a dot, > > some won't). > > > > I think the most logical solution is just to add final dots where they > > belong, at the end of sentences :) > > > > Cheers, > > Manu > > > > Ok, it is not the bible: > > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/language.html#id2862813 http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/language.html , please :-) On a sidenote; how I despise the Capitalization rules. It's just a show of "a pretty gui" at the cost of proper grammar. My suggestion for the sleep info text: Sleep will shut down your computer, retain everything in memory (using a small amount of power) and instantaneously present you with the desktop you left once you start the computer again. Though that's a bit too long, perhaps. In any case, please drop the "press any key", because this is not how things work on all laptops, and is bound to confuse users when they "press any key" and have nothing happen. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Logout dialog : strings
On 4/15/06, Manu Cornet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi ! > > I'm now refining my work on the logout dialog, and among other things > I'm working on the "help" labels, displayed at the bottom. Here's what I > have for the moment : > > * Log out : Close your session so that other users can log in. > > * Switch : Let another user log in while your session remains open. I think if we're going to have both Log out and Switch, it'd be better to have log out just state "Close session" to avoid any confusion. > > * Lock : Launch the screensaver and password protect your session. > > * Sleep : Let the computer sleep. You can wake it up by pressing any > key. I can't wake my computer up by pressing anything other than the power button ;-) > > * Hibernate : Let the computer hibernate; it won't need any power. When > started again, all open applications will be restored. > > * Restart : Restart the computer. > > * Shut down : Completely turn off the computer. > Not sure I'm a big fan of the "Let the computer..." terminology either, but I don't really have suggestions on how to improve those entries... > > Since I'm not a usability expert not a native English speaker, I think > those labels deserve a little discussion :) > > So what do you guys think about them ? Any grammar mistakes ? Any better > suggestions ? > > Cheers, > Manu > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
On 3/31/06, Manu Cornet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi ! > > Here's a new version of the dialog : > > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png > > Many people found that the dialog was too large ; therefore, I stacked > the help messages next to the "Cancel" button and reduced the spacing a > bit. This also solves a few layout problems (expanding window). Comments > welcome. > > About the choice of designing a dialog with 6 or 7 options, I'm not the > one who decides about this (I'm just trying to make a good layout with > nice icons and text), but I do think it's a logical choice. > > * I believe the main purpose for this multi-option dialog is to let > users have this main "top-right applet" flow to let them perform all > "exit" action. > > * "Log out" as the name of the menu entry is definitely misleading, and > we're trying to find the best wording to replace it (suggestions > welcome !). > > * The dialog indeed has many options. I agree that some of those should > be activated automatically (eg when a laptop lid is closed), but those > automatic behaviors are not yet working as they should, and meanwhile we > probably need the options in a dialog. I think changing the wording of the tooltip of the logout applet would help clarify its purpose. Currently it says "Log out of this session to log in as a different users" - that doesn't give any hints that it contains other, more useful options. Also, as I understand, gnome-power-manager runs by default (does it get added to the panel on upgrades?), and includes the right-click options sleep and hibernate already, making the logout applet ones kind of redundant. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: "Log Out" menu has too many items
http://www.gnome-cn.org/Members/jcome/screenshots/gnome-2-14-screenshots/newmenu-1.png/view Oh the wonders of google :) Seriously though, I think the ubuntu dialog is an improvement over the gnome dialogs. We just need some polish, that's all. On 3/28/06, Sandis Neilands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all! > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but default gnome 2.14 doesn't use this > custom log out dialog, right? Maybe we should think of reverting to > the old one? > > It was very simple, elegant and self explanatory. I mean the icons > doesn't help very much, if they only differ in colour. > > Please, point me to some gnome 2.14 log out dialog screenshots so I > can decide whether ubuntu's is better. > -- > Sandis > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > > > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: "Log Out" menu has too many items
On 3/22/06, Armand CORBEAUX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everybody, > > "Log Out" for Dapper is really cool, but it is in the same time too heavy to > be effective. > > 1- Why the lock screen has been put in the "Log Out" menu? > > To be honest I don't understand... > Lock screen is an important feature in company: you get out of your > computer, you lock it. > To be effective, it will be better to put a "Lock Screen" icon next to "Log > Out" icon in the panel. In this way users don't have to think "where is the > Lock Screen option". > The "Lock Screen" feature is not a toy, but a daily used feature, which must > be immediately usable and activable.Activate it through the "Log Out" menu > is a loose of time. I kind of agree here. Though this is probably mostly out of habit, I always lock my screen using the System menu, not through the logout dialog (and I don't really expect to find a "lock screen" button in my logout menu, either. > > 2- Sleep or Hibernate? > > Don't understand the choice too... > Is the "Log Out" menu the best place to show what the OS is able to do? > I explain: as a common user I don't use hibernate or sleep, even if I'm > using a laptop. > If you take a look around, you see that ~95% of the laptop users doesn't > used hibernate or sleep feature. Based on careful observation of... yourself? ;-) I still have the day suspend started working for my laptop marked in PINK in my calendar (!), and I don't know a single person who's not equally fond of the functionality. > If a user uses hibernate or sleep, most of the time it's because it follows > the power-management rules that he has set up. > If a user uses hibernate or sleep to "cut" his laptop, most of the time he > prefers one of the 2 options, or one of the 2 options crashs when he tries > to recover his session (or he must be a 'power-user' to fix it [power_user > is a user that is able to edit configuration files]). I don't think I understand what you're saying here, but yes, using only the "preferred" method of sleep would reduce clutter in the logout dialog, but what should this be based on, really? There are a number of places in power preferences where you select either suspend or hibernate. Maybe the sleep button action? In that case, g-p-m wording would have to be updated, and I still don't think this is a very user-friendly solution. > > In this way, could it be possible to purpose to the user in the "Log Out " > menu only one icon, which reflects the user's preference which has been set > up in the power-management interface? > > 3- A bigger "shutdown" icon? > I know that the linux myth is "you never have to shutdown your computer". > But in companies as in a lot of houses, computers are shutdown at the end of > the day or of the use (1st because it reduces the fire risk, 2nd because it > reduces energy consumption). > In a 2nd time when someone get a computer for the 1st time, after playing > with his new "toy" his 1st question is: "how do I shutdown this f***?". > Because "shutdown" is the most important option in the world, it could be > twice bigger than others. Right, increase the risk of an unintended shutdown! Not quite the way to go, imho... > > In this way the "Log Out" menu could look as it : > > Log Out | Switch| SHUT > Sleep or Hibernate | Reboot | DOWN > > Only 5 options, less confusion for new users. And "Lock Screen" option next > to "Log Out" option in the panel. Lock screen is already in the menus, no reason to add another applet for the job ;) > > Armand > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > > > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: New icons for gnome-logout dialog
On 3/22/06, Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/22/06, Manu Cornet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi ! > > > > > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 08:03 +, Matthew East wrote: > > > > > I make a "fake" screenshot with the new icons. > > > > > http://developer.berlios.de/dbimage.php?id=2680 > > > > > > > > > > I would like to hear your opinions. > > > > I like the colors, and the right amount of gloss (not too much, not too > > little). Apart from this, here are the issues I see with these icons : > > > > * They all have the same shape. Color is a very nice way to distinguish > > icons (it was actually the way I made it the first time), but it's > > usually not enough (especially for color blind people): color + shape > > allow people to distinguish icons much faster. The icons do look nice, > > but are really less explicit I think. > > > > * Log out has a red color, which implies (with most people's > > understanding of colors in symbols) that it has a "strong" effect on the > > system, like shut down. (I would suggest, for example, green for logout, > > brown for switch, grey or dark blue for lock ?). I think shut down > > really should be the only fully red icon in here. > > > > * Log out has a "power button" icon, which is really misleading I > > believe (logging out doesn't affect the power state of the computer). > > The usual door icon represents this action better in my eyes. > > I agree with almost all of what Manu said, but the fact that Logout > looks like a power button is the most disturbing! Logour should be > more like an arrow leaving a door! Is it possible to get a text area to update itself when a button is hovered over in gtk? I have an idea that I think would absolutely rock the logout dialog, but I'm not even sure it can be implemented, so I'll try some ascii-art to show what I'm talking about (this will look rubbish in a non-monospace font): /---\ | | | | [I] Log out | Click this button if you want | | (I) Switch user | to log out of your session. | | (I) Lock screen | You will be greeted by the| |---| GDM login screen once your| | (I) Sleep | session has ended.| | (I) Hibernate | | | (I) Restart | | | (I) Shut down | | | | | \---/ (I) is where the icon should be, and the right area should update with some informative description telling the user what will actually happen. Maybe the text accompanying the icon could be removed, though I'm not so sure about that. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: New theme: Battery/Trash
On 3/13/06, Armand CORBEAUX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> One other thing I just noticed is the network applet for wireless > >> networks. The signal strenght indicator is a little unintuitive. First > >> of all its horizonatal, which by itself wouldnt be too bad (but not > >> great) but it marks signal strength in one of four positions instead > >> of including the previous positions. That is to say like this: > > >> - - - + - (for strength of 3) > > >> instead of > > >> + + + - > > >> which, IMHO would be much more intuitive. > > More intuitive? And the same for battery state too? > > To be honest what is called common user "fucks up" signal streght. He wishs > only to be connected, not to know how strengh is the signal. And that's the > same for all satellite systems. This isn't relevant, but I look at mine whenever I'm on top of some mountain snowboarding to get an idea of the coverage and what my options are if a mate gets taken by an avalanche, I look at it before I call - not worth calling if the signal is going to be NATO-standard (if you've ever been on the receiving end of a nato-encrypted radio call, you know what I'm on about). > > Do people all the time look at the quality of signal for the parabolas? No. > When do we take a look on signal strengh on cellphones? When the discussion > cuts. > > That's the same for wireless connection, a user doesn't need to know what's > the signal quality, he wishes just to know if he's connected to the network > or not. The indicator through tooltip allows to know enough about wireless > connection. Actually, most wireless networks need a certain signal strength to set you up via dhcp - so having an indicator for the strength is absolutely _very_ useful if you're in an area with low connectivity. Signal strength also influences the speed you can get out of a network, ofcourse. > To know that you use a wired or wireless network is largely enough for a > classic use. > To know the signal strengh is just a gadget, because 95% of the time you > can't increase the signal strengh (or perhaps if you break some walls or > smash people from their places...but that's an another problem). Ever thried shifting your laptops position? Where I'm typing this right now, I get disconnected if I shift my laptop slightly to the left, whereas if I shift it slightly to the right (still on my lap), I get 56% and a decent connection. The signal strength indicator is how I found out I could actually use the wireless coverage in my street. > > When only one icon will be displayed to notify user that he is connected to > wired or wireless network we could say that we have an improvement in term > of effectiveness. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: G-p-m hding while on AC
On 3/9/06, Sandis Neilands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Øivind! > > On 3/9/06, Øivind Hoel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/9/06, Sandis Neilands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello again! > > > > > > On 3/9/06, Christian Bjälevik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > If you are chasing space on panel, try removing that > > > > > useless logout icon, which is fairly well accesible from menu, doesn't > > > > > indicate any state (or anything at all) and takes the most valuable > > > > > space on panel (for right handed users) while being used twice a day > > > > > (or less). > > > > I like it there. It saves me to use the menu when I want to log out > > > > using my mouse. I use the keyboard most of times though :-P. > > > > > > Hmmm, if our likes or dislikes are our only arguments for or against > > > things, then we can quickly get into trouble. For now, I haven't seen > > > any valid (technical, usability, etc) reason for that icon being in > > > that place. > > > > Indeed. However, the standard thing for all portable devices I've ever > > come across is to always display the battery status, no matter if it's > > fully loaded, charging, discharging or plain empty. > > > > As already mentioned, screen real-estate is a non-issue (atleast on a > > modern laptop with >= 1024x768 resolution, which as far as I know > > something you'll need to run gnome 2.14). > > > > The disappearance of the icon is confusing, and only people who *know* > > the fact that the icon is set to disappear when the battery is full > > and on AC will understand that this effectively means their laptop is > > ready to hit the highway. > > > > Other people will start wondering if something is wrong. Maybe their > > laptop is malfunctioning and needs a reboot? > > Good points and I agree with you on this issue. However when I wrote > that paragraph I had a log out icon in the corner in mind. Sorry, add me to the "misread" junkies ;-) > > > > > > > > > I find this kind of decision making disturbing. Major change should be > > > > > discussed on -devel or -desktop BEFORE applied, not the other way > > > > > around. Another good example for behind-the-curtains decision is GDM > > > > > login screen and options menu. > > > > From what I've seen not many people answer on those querys, when they > > > > are made. > > > > > > No, wrong. Look at the recent "Firefox and the `you have chosen to > > > open ...' dialogue" thread in devel and desktop lists. However if > > > nobody answers, you can assume that nobody cares that much and do as > > > you will. But at least you would have been asked. > > > > > > >For the logout-button I think it's an sabdfl decision (corrent > > > > me if I'm wrong please) but it's often easiest to make a change and see > > > > how the community like it. They will complain if they don't ;-). > > > > > > Well, I'm part of the comunity and I hate it (the icon in the corner, > > > not Mark :) > > > > As far as the top right logout icon, I rather thought that change was > > a sensible one. It's far easier to log out via that than the menu. Of > > course, now that we have g-p-m, my main use of the logout icon can > > simply be replaced by "close laptop lid", but at the time of writing, > > not every laptop user out there is as lucky as me when it comes to > > suspend++ support. > > Hey, but how about those ~80% users (made this up in my mind) with > desktop PCs'? It's nice that ubuntu cares about laptop owners, but for > desktop users this icon is useless. I think g-p-m should be smart enough (since it's all into chatting with HAL) to not display the battery icon (or even a lone power cord) when there isn't actually a battery or UPS present, and if not, I'd consider that a bug. Good point though. > > > And since sabdfl is wikipedia's main benevolent dictator for life > > example, I think you all have to live with it there, at least for > > dapper, anyway. > > No, i will remove it (of course if menu item won't be ripped off). > -- > Sandis > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: G-p-m hding while on AC
On 3/9/06, Sandis Neilands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello again! > > On 3/9/06, Christian Bjälevik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If you are chasing space on panel, try removing that > > > useless logout icon, which is fairly well accesible from menu, doesn't > > > indicate any state (or anything at all) and takes the most valuable > > > space on panel (for right handed users) while being used twice a day > > > (or less). > > I like it there. It saves me to use the menu when I want to log out > > using my mouse. I use the keyboard most of times though :-P. > > Hmmm, if our likes or dislikes are our only arguments for or against > things, then we can quickly get into trouble. For now, I haven't seen > any valid (technical, usability, etc) reason for that icon being in > that place. Indeed. However, the standard thing for all portable devices I've ever come across is to always display the battery status, no matter if it's fully loaded, charging, discharging or plain empty. As already mentioned, screen real-estate is a non-issue (atleast on a modern laptop with >= 1024x768 resolution, which as far as I know something you'll need to run gnome 2.14). The disappearance of the icon is confusing, and only people who *know* the fact that the icon is set to disappear when the battery is full and on AC will understand that this effectively means their laptop is ready to hit the highway. Other people will start wondering if something is wrong. Maybe their laptop is malfunctioning and needs a reboot? > > > > I find this kind of decision making disturbing. Major change should be > > > discussed on -devel or -desktop BEFORE applied, not the other way > > > around. Another good example for behind-the-curtains decision is GDM > > > login screen and options menu. > > From what I've seen not many people answer on those querys, when they > > are made. > > No, wrong. Look at the recent "Firefox and the `you have chosen to > open ...' dialogue" thread in devel and desktop lists. However if > nobody answers, you can assume that nobody cares that much and do as > you will. But at least you would have been asked. > > >For the logout-button I think it's an sabdfl decision (corrent > > me if I'm wrong please) but it's often easiest to make a change and see > > how the community like it. They will complain if they don't ;-). > > Well, I'm part of the comunity and I hate it (the icon in the corner, > not Mark :) As far as the top right logout icon, I rather thought that change was a sensible one. It's far easier to log out via that than the menu. Of course, now that we have g-p-m, my main use of the logout icon can simply be replaced by "close laptop lid", but at the time of writing, not every laptop user out there is as lucky as me when it comes to suspend++ support. And since sabdfl is wikipedia's main benevolent dictator for life example, I think you all have to live with it there, at least for dapper, anyway. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Icons: Yasis vs. Dropline Nuovo
On 2/7/06, Henrik Nilsen Omma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been using the 'Yasis' icon set for about a week now and find that > it sits really well with the rest of the default theme. OTOH hand, > Dropline Nuovo! also fits nicely. I would encourage people to try each > of these for a while and consider how well they might work as defaults. > We might need to adjust a few icons to work better in Ubuntu, so this > would be the time to start thinking about it. What's going on with the humility theme? If the Humility theme isn't going to be ready for dapper, wouldn't it be a good idea to rather have that anyway, but make it fall back on Tango for missing icons? Am I missing something? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: improving usability of the 'recent documents' menu
On 12/19/05, Ryan Lortie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I realised today that I really don't use the "recent documents" feature > of the Places menu at all. > > I think the reason for this is that the menu item is in a really > inconvenient place and barely recognisable at all. I actually use the recent documents menu quite a lot, and find the bottom placement quite useful, as it's easier to point at the last entry in a menu than somewhere deep in the middle trenches. > I think the functionality would be a lot easier to find and use if the > "recent documents" item were moved to the top of the places menu. It > might also be worth while to move the search item up there too (but not > above recent documents). > > If it were at the top of the menu the muscle-memory value alone would be > huge (right now muscle memory is practically useless for this item). > The very concept of recent items is to make it as easy as possible to > access (practically by definition) your commonly used documents. > > The "home folder" item would not be significantly impacted because it > would still be a short distance away (just a tiny bit more). Even if > existing users have built up a memory for this they won't be too badly > affected since releasing the mouse button (or clicking) on the "recent > documents" sub-menu won't do anything unexpected. Even if I use the recent documents item alot, I really, really don't want to see it replace the home destination plus my bookmarks. I use RD alot, but home and company is probably the most clicked-on items anywhere in my panels, so it makes sense (atleast to me) to give this more prominence at the top. > Just a random not-particularly-developed thought :) > > Cheers. -Ø -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
