Re: Staying on GTK/GNOME 3.8 next cycle/for the LTS?
Hi to all, I personally think staying at GNOME 3.8 would not be a great decision. In my opinion Ubuntu is starting to turn into a Redhat. I think it used to be the leader in the latest and greatest in the community of free and open source software, and ever since a majority of canonical has been tasked with touch TODO's it seems more and more scared of continuing the path with the latest and greatest. This seems true for the desktop team as well. GNOME has already released a stable 3.10 and has already started on 3.12. The work that seemed to go into going from 3.6 to 3.8 this cycle seemed to happen early and was minimal compared to what's been going on with the touch stuff. I'm not going to claim to know what workload is entailed with going to 3.10 next cycle, but what drew me into Ubuntu in the first place was that it wasn't afraid to have the latest and greatest software available to all desktop users. I hope that we don't lose that great aspect of Ubuntu just because the work entailed from touch tasks is taking over your time. Thanks, ~Brian Curtis On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I know this cycle is not finished yet, but in case some of us start > thinking about next cycle, I wanted to start a discussion on the GNOME > version to use for the lts. > > I think we should stick with GNOME 3.8 another cycle, here are the reasons > why: > > - we (Ubuntu Desktop) are currently mostly happy with what we have > > - the focus for the Ubuntu Desktop team is likely to continue to be Ubuntu > Touch/phone next cycle > > - due to the previous factor, we are going to be limited in resources to > do desktop work > > - it's a LTS cycle, we should focus on bugs fixing if possible > > - GTK 3.10 deprecates several options, it would be good to stay away from > those controverses for the LTS > (see > https://launchpad.net/bugs/**1228886<https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228886>as an > example of what is going to happen once we deprecate those options) > > - it seems like the next RedHat enterprise edition is going to be based on > GNOME 3.8, if that's the case it would make sense for us to focus on > bringing quality to the same version/share the maintainance work a bit > > > What do other things? I guess the Ubuntu GNOME Remix is going to want > newer version, we should try to accomodate that need if we can. One way > would be to do the "fork" of gnome-control-center we have been talking > about for a while. Blocking GTK to 3.8 is likely to make hard to update > GNOME components anyway, if we decide to go this way... > > What do others think? > > Cheers, > Sebastien Bacher > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.**com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-**desktop<https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop> > -- = Ubuntu Member: http://launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx Freenode IRC: BCurtisWX Ubuntu Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BCurtisWX Ubuntu District of Columbia LoCo: http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ GNOME3 Team: http://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team Ubuntu Bug Control Team: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol = -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Ubuntu-Desktop application
Thanks Seb, I will hold this app until later. ~Brian On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 18/07/2012 17:13, Brian Curtis a écrit : > >> Hi all, >> >> I think it is about time that I apply to join ~ubuntu-desktop. > > Hey Brian, > > Thanks for the desktop work you are doing! Do you have a list of the > packages you worked on so far? I know you are interested in empathy and > helped Ken on it, what else did you work on? You mentioned wanted to apply > for MOTU as well, what sort of work would you be interested to do in both > sets? > > Getting ubuntu-desktop membership gives direct commit and upload access to > most of what constitute the Ubuntu Desktop so we tend to be cautious. To me > it seems you are doing a good job so far but you only worked on a limited > set of component and I would prefer if you could get a bit more experience, > especially dealing with things like libraries (soname changes, .symbols > handling), conffiles, new source or binaries, etc before applying for > desktop. It shouldn't be hard to find sponsors for your desktop work either. > > Does that make sense to you? > > Let me know if you feel like you already have the skills needed and that I'm > overlooking work you did (which is possible, I don't manage to follow > everything going on around ;-) > > Cheers, > Sebastien Bacher -- = Ubuntu Member: http://launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx Freenode IRC: BCurtisWX Ubuntu Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BCurtisWX Ubuntu District of Columbia LoCo: http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ GNOME3 Team: http://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team Ubuntu Bug Control Team: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol = -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Ubuntu-Desktop application
Hi all, I think it is about time that I apply to join ~ubuntu-desktop. I have been under the guidance of Ken Vandine and I feel that I'm bugging him more now to upload than I am asking questions about the processes. I have blocked him on numerous occasions from other things and would like to give him his time back. I would like to use this as a stepping stone to MOTU membership. I really appreciate endorsements. Thanks for your time, ~Brian Curtis -- = Ubuntu Member: http://launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx Freenode IRC: BCurtisWX Ubuntu Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BCurtisWX Ubuntu District of Columbia LoCo: http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ GNOME3 Team: http://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team Ubuntu Bug Control Team: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol = -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04
Hi all, I think I can offer some opinions on this without repeating what others say too much. I want to compare this to the decision a few releases ago to make Empathy the default IM client in Ubuntu. Then why I think Unity should become the default desktop session and not classic GNOME. Pidgin was the running favorite, there were a ton of fans of the client, people were really liking the application and along came the rookie Empathy, which at that point few had heard about, but was a very good candidate based on the amount of time their devs had put into the client and the potential of the software. Once the switch was officially made, the backlash in bug reports and in the social media was harsh, and rude at times. Look where that client has come to this point since we made it default. I sincerely believe (and the devs have expressed the same sentiment) that it wouldn't be as good as it is now if it weren't for that decision and amount of attention. Not to digress any further, I feel that Unity will thrive in the same environment. If we delay it any further then we are keeping some valuable attention from its development. There will be backlashes, in bug reports, in the social media. With the amount of attention and use it will get by being default, it will grow fast. It may appear to be a couple steps back, but I think in the end we will find that Unity as the default desktop environment for 11.04 will be a gigantic leap forward later on. Thanks for all of your time, ~Brian On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Rick Spencer wrote: > Hello all, > > Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by > default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development, > it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay > the default for 11.04. > > I'm following up on this list at the suggestion of the Tech Board to > give folks a chance to respond or escelate any concerns. > > Note that there are some arguments for changing the default from Unity > to "classic' GNOME: > 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray > support for many important applications. > 2. There are usability problems, for example, settings are hard to find, > the launcher icons behave differently when you click on the trash can > versus the home folder launcher, it's hard to find a categorized view of > applications, searches do not always turn up expected results. > 3. We are coming in too hot, there are too many crashers on some > hardware and the final product will be buggy. > > I won't rebut these points myself, as I am rather striving to represent > the viewpoints not argue against them. > > Representing the desktop team, Jason Warner believes that Unity will > deliver the superior experience for most users in 11.04. I agree with > this position and support staying the course. > > Cheers, Rick > > PS - You can reference the recent and current bug fixing efforts of the > Unity team here: > https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.4 > https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.6 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity > > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- = Ubuntu Member: http://launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx Freenode IRC: BCurtisWX Ubuntu Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BCurtisWX Ubuntu District of Columbia LoCo: http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ GNOME3 Team: http://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team Ubuntu Bug Control Team: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol = -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Failed to fetch updates
Hi, Typically you see this if you haven't performed a "apt-get update" in a while. This should be resolved if you perform that action and then "apt-get upgrade". ~Brian On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:13 AM, elk dolk wrote: > Hi All, > > I try to update my Linux Box (Ubuntu 10.10) but I get the following message: > > Failed to fetch > http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_2.6.35-1027.48_i386.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.166 80] > Failed to fetch > http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/krb5/libk5crypto3_1.8.1+dfsg-5ubuntu0.4_i386.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.166 80] > Failed to fetch > http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/krb5/libgssapi-krb5-2_1.8.1+dfsg-5ubuntu0.4_i386.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.166 80] > Failed to fetch > http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/krb5/libkrb5-3_1.8.1+dfsg-5ubuntu0.4_i386.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.166 80] > Failed to fetch > http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/krb5/libkrb5support0_1.8.1+dfsg-5ubuntu0.4_i386.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.166 80] > Failed to fetch > http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-generic_2.6.35.27.35_i386.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.166 80] > Failed to fetch > http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-generic_2.6.35.27.35_i386.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.166 80] > Failed to fetch > http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-headers-generic_2.6.35.27.35_i386.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.166 80] > > why is that so? > > regards > > > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- = Ubuntu Member: http://launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx Freenode IRC: BCurtisWX Ubuntu Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BCurtisWX Ubuntu District of Columbia LoCo: http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ GNOME3 Team: http://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team Ubuntu Bug Control Team: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol = -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?
Because of the fact that hibernate (if it fails) can destroy someones work, I don't feel that the decision to remove hibernate is a bad idea at all. If there were time to make it work without a doubt, knowing that people won't lose their work, then maybe at a future time it would be plausible to bring back the discussion to see if it would be used more. Just my .02 ~Brian On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > I'm in favor of removing hibernate for the reasons Rick expressed. > > ma, 2011-01-31 kello 11:04 -0800, Rick Spencer kirjoitti: >> However, Hibernate works well for some users, so this will be a >> painful >> regression[1]. > > Hibernate works well on my computer, however the speed of starting from > zero, loading grub, loading kernel, loading saved memory state and > showing the desktop etc (the hibernate does) is almost the exactly same > as doing a normal startup, so the hibernate mode is quite useless. > > The work done on upstart and other boot time improvements has made > hibernate obsolete. Thanks! > > -- > | Otto Kekäläinen > | http://www.sange.fi/ > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing. --Wernher Von Braun "The second law of thermodynamics: If you think things are in a mess now, JUST WAIT!!" The Statement Below is True The Statement Above is False -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
