Re: [ubuntu-art] Expanding logout dialogue
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 14:33, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > > I'm with Matt and Vincent who think that there are simply too many > > options on the logout dialogue, so I though I would try making an > > expanding one where you hide some of the less common options. > > Guys, while I appreciate all the discussion, you'll need to carry on > without me from here on. In my mind the die is cast for Dapper, and I'm > happy to revisit this with you at the next dev summit in person, and > discuss concrete proposals then. But I'm not going to change the dialog > further for Dapper. Nice, while I'm not happy with current dialog I agree on that. It was too late even when the discussion was started. > > Best bet will be for someone from the art team / desktop team to take > charge of organising a single wiki page with proposals, comments for and > against etc, so that we can review them all in a single session at the > post-Dapper dev summit. Henrik, I think this is a good thing for Erik or > someone else from the community to coordinate. I have the first excuse to attend the next one :) > Mark -- Jorge Bernal Ordovás <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Warp Networks S.L. http://warp.es/ || http://amedias.org/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:54, Eric Feliksik wrote: > So after much discussion the global opinion is something like this: > > 1) Some like the fancy dialog, some don't It's consistency over fanciness. Fanciness makes geeks happy. Consistency makes better user experience. What do we want? > 2) Most people agree that the dialog is not completely self-explanatory This is because of too many options, not icons or labels. I can imagine the user shouting "I just want to shutdown the *$% computer". > 3) because of 2), the sabdfl is in favor of explanatory text (and that's > the obligatory global opinion then :)) Even sabdfl can be wrong ;) I understand his figure is there for situations like this, but the fact he can decide if it's going to happen or not doesn't make it a better or worse idea. Also if he thinks that's the final word, he just have to say that and discussion is over (well, in theory). > 4) We all want to offer the user information, but in an implicit/subtle > way (icons, ordering, short texts) as much as possible (instead of long > texts) Simple buttons should be enough > http://librarian.launchpad.net/1632715/logout4x.png could also use an > explanatory text, but the end/pause-session division gives us info that > the icons *don't* (namely, does this log you out or not) > In the current division (keeprunning/powerdown), the info given is > redundant (because the powerdown-options have a power-icon, *and* are at > the bottom) > > (SOCIAL NOTE: I restate this, and restate this, maybe to your annoyment. > Please let me know. I received only a few comments, of which most were > positive, but further it was mostly ignored. I restate this because I > feel *lots* of criticism on the current dialog are taken away to some > extent by this division and the text-headers. If you think this idea > sucks, *let me know* !) -- Jorge Bernal Ordovás <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Warp Networks S.L. http://warp.es/ || http://amedias.org/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
On Thursday 30 March 2006 15:23, Eric Feliksik wrote: > You have a point there, but the explanation is not making things > complicated; it's only an acknowledgement of the fact that the *options* > are complicated. The point is that there are too many options > That can be changed by either removing options (sleep, hibernate, > restart) which we don't want, or by splitting the stuff in sections. > Currently the division is "low impact on system" vs. "high impact". I'm > in favor of "pause session" vs. "end session" (which would put > hibernate/switch-user/lock in the first an reboot/shutdown/logout in the > last). > > Whatever the subdivision is, if the help-stuff is subtle (for example at > the bottom), the help-stuff itself does not complicate things. Help is not bad by nature *but* the point here is that having to show help is a symptom of bad design. A logout dialog should be simple enough to talk by itself. -- Jorge Bernal Ordovás <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Warp Networks S.L. http://warp.es/ || http://amedias.org/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: New icons for gnome-logout dialog
On Monday 27 March 2006 14:08, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Sorry, what do you mean, to remove 'Log out' as well? I'm less sure > about that. Maybe. I'm not sure how much people would logout from a computer. > - Henrik > > -- > http://www.ubuntu.com > http://www.theopencd.org -- Jorge Bernal Ordovás <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Warp Networks S.L. http://warp.es/ || http://amedias.org/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
On Sunday 26 March 2006 19:58, Manu Cornet wrote: > Hi ! > > Since the UI freeze has been postponed a few weeks, I have made a try at > enhancing the current logout dialog. > > The main idea is that since there are so many options in there, users > might get lost (eg, what's the difference between Sleep and > Hibernate ?). I had first implemented tooltips, but the faded background > doesn't redraw correctly behind them, and I can't see an easy fix for > that. > I think the point here is removing options. Adding more information (although it's help) makes it more confusing ever. And BTW, not every laptop comes back from sleep by pressing a key :) -- Jorge Bernal Ordovás <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Warp Networks S.L. http://warp.es/ || http://amedias.org/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: "Log Out" menu has too many items
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 17:31, Armand CORBEAUX wrote: > 2- Sleep or Hibernate? > > If you take a look around, you see that ~95% of the laptop users doesn't > used hibernate or sleep feature. Actually I always put my laptop to sleep, *but* I just close the lid, slip it in my bag and go :) -- Jorge Bernal Ordovás <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Warp Networks S.L. http://warp.es/ || http://amedias.org/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: New icons for gnome-logout dialog
On Saturday 25 March 2006 01:50, Eric Feliksik wrote: > > Although it results in a lot of text (something gnome generally tries to > avoid), I find it an interesting idea. > I *really* think that SEVEN options will be *very* confusing for > non-technical users. Totally agree. - "Lock screen" should go away. People who locks screen often can use the lock applet or set a keyboard shortcut - "Switch user" should go. In a first installation there's no second user, so there's no way to switch user. In users-admin, a hint about a "Fast User Switch applet" could be shown - "Log out" could be the same than above. > A lot of users on the list say it's a lot, and > apart from the fact it's many to choose from, for a lot of people it's > really unclear what all these things mean. The difference between "Log > out" and "switch user" is not trivial, and a lot of people are not as > experimental as we are. > The current ascii-mockup makes the explanation text really *big*, a more > subtle thing is possible too: smaller and at the bottom (or as tooltip, > but I'd dislike that). > Generally gnome's minimalistic interface is quite self-explanatory, but > I feel the current dialog isn't. -- Jorge Bernal Ordovás <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Warp Networks S.L. http://warp.es/ || http://amedias.org/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Some icons are making me sad
El mar, 07--2006 a las 00:17 +0100, Lionel Dricot (aka Ploum) escribió: > Worst of all ? The nautilus icon on the splashscreen. Sure. Lately, GNOME startup is being quite fast. It's already time to get rid of the splash? > On 06/03/06, Andy Somerville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Koke, > > > On 3/6/06, Jorge Bernal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Gnome-power: the colors are too bright and the borders too > thick. The > > icon in the systray seems to be an "intruder" from another > icon theme. > > As far as the colors ar concerned, I recenetly filed an > enhancement > request for gnome-power manager here: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331710 > > which seems to have started a discussion here: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331761 > > where they discuss upcomming tango icons. Im not sure if that > implies > that they will fit the color scheme better, but in the mean > time > fixing the current ones for Dapper is as easy as bash and > mogrify: > > for each in /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/*.png > do > mogrify -modulate 75,50,85 $each > done > > screenshots of the modified icons can be seen on the > enhancement request page. > > Andy > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Some icons are making me sad
El lun, 06--2006 a las 17:03 -0500, Andy Somerville escribió: > Koke, > As far as the colors ar concerned, I recenetly filed an enhancement > request for gnome-power manager here: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331710 > > which seems to have started a discussion here: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331761 yep, I've just seen that. jimmac did it again! :) It seems they'll be ready for 2.14. The "uranium green" was hurting my eyes :) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Some icons are making me sad
Sorry for the subject, I couldn't find anything better. The point is some dapper (and earlier) icons are not matching the gnome color palette. I could fix this, but I want to know first if I'm crazy or you agree on this (to avoid working for nothing) * Gnome-power: the colors are too bright and the borders too thick. The icon in the systray seems to be an "intruder" from another icon theme. * Firefox: this icons have various issues, its blue is too bright and doesn't match the gnome blue tones so it doesn't feel gnome-ish. It's very low contrast (hard to recognise). Maybe it would be nice to use the Firefox logo or the epiphany icon. * The new evolution icon looks like Tango :) Maybe it needs more contrast * The network monitor applet icon seems to have their borders blurred. missing low-res version?? * The OO.org icons are (maybe) too light and confuse. I can send proposals to fix all of these, but tell me your opinions first, please Happy dapper, Koke -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
