Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:25, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 10:06 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : I hear that next cycle we will probably be required to ship unity-2d, and with it Qt. This means we'll need yet another round of where to get the space from?. Hi, We should probably discuss dropping classic GNOME (i.e the GNOME2 session) from the CD then if we do that. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher Sounds like a plausible path.. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 20:58, Jason Warner jason.war...@canonical.comwrote: Hello! Natty Feature Freeze is here and A3 is upon us! Anyone following along closely should see and feel a fairly stable and usable system, complete with Unity and classic Gnome. I'd like to hear people's thoughts on Unity...and I'd like it to be pretty unfiltered and raw. In particular, I'm interested in seeing how people feel about: * The look and feel * Usability * Stability (knowing that we are entering a heavy bug fixing time!) * Highlights and favorite features * Perceived shortcomings and/or wishlist items You can reply to this email if your feedback is general/conversational or file a bug if you are experiencing a specific issue. Filing a bug with 'ubuntu-bug unity' command would do the trick and would get seen by the appropriate people for specific issues. It will be fun to hear what everyone thinks! I look forward to seeing the feedback. Cheers, Jason people who know my posts are aware that i can get lengthy at times, so i'll keep it relatively compact today ;) Thanks to everyone who has already committed reviews to this thread, i enjoyed reading all of them and i learnt a great deal from seeing other people's reviews. 1 launcher backlight is generally without purpose (except workspace switcher and trash) 2 workspace switcher should be on top 3 gnome-www-browser undiscoverable 4 no way to access power preferences 5 no way to access ubuntu one preferences 6 no consistent UI for preferences in general 7 Presence doesn't integrate with Empathy 8 indicators need more spacing 9 panel covers entire top edge, but middle is always blank - wasted display space 10 home button doesn't look pressed when pressed 11 dash doesn't work 12 in the (currently broken) dash, browsing is called find 13 ALT+F2 is not implemented - big no-no 14 Indicator Menus should float above content transparently (- wingpanel) 15 there is still no distinction between close vs closequit 16 no visual feedback when pointer hits hot areas 17 fade-in / fade out of dock is stuck when pointer touches the top-right hot-corner, but there's no visual feedback to indicate that i touched any hot area (see 16) 18 totem doesn't integrate with Sound Menu's playback controls, although it is default playback app for single audio files - bad 19 dash should appear center stage, not top-left 20 add an appointment should open a tiny dialog, not Evolution Calendar, maximized 21 three seperate configuration links on the bottom of one indicator menu is just hilariously confusing (Me Menu) 22 Messaging Menu and Session Menu are inconsistent, in that they have no Preferences or Settings item on the bottom, when Networking, Power, Sound, Time/Calendar, MeMenu all do 23 dmedia should be integrated into the dash for browsing/previewing videos 24 shotwell should be integrated into the dash for browsing/previewing photos 25 some MPRIS IDO should be integrated into the dash for browsing/previewing audio (yet, outstanding work so far by Conor) 26 Epiphany-webkit should be default browser, since it integrates with Unity and neither Chromium nor Firefox do that 27 I'd like more drag-and-drop interaction with window previews, workspaces and workspace previews 28 Unity/Mutter was better with workspaces: it showcased the open windows with its equivalent of the compiz Scale plugin I love the Scale plugin / Window Picker. If docky had that, i'd use default GNOME until Unity is stable. Since Docky doesn't have that, i'm going to continue using Unity, even though it is terribly unstable and far from finished, since this one single feature already makes it so much more usable than any Desktop Environment i have used before. Ubuntu would be better as a whole, if Presence in the Me Menu would actually control Presence in Empathy. Since that bug has not been fixed, although it is quite easy to fix (comment out a few lines of code), the MeMenu, perhaps the most frequently visited indicator menu for me, doesn't work, and Ubuntu always has a bitter note to it when i turn it on. Thanks for the opportunity to review this beautiful DE-in-the-making.. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:34, Chris Coulson chrisccoul...@ubuntu.comwrote: On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 12:16 +0100, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: 26 Epiphany-webkit should be default browser, since it integrates with Unity and neither Chromium nor Firefox do that Hi, Well, that is going to improve right after Alpha 3 (see [1]). thanks Chris, that's COOL! 'd like to add.. there's currently no serious replacement for Places, which worked quite well in Ubuntu/GNOME. It takes me forever to get to Downloads or to Documents. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for Natty Feedback!
Hi Vish, On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 13:00, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 12:16 +0100, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: people who know my posts are aware that i can get lengthy at times, so i'll keep it relatively compact today ;) Thanks! ;p you're welcome, anytime ;) Thanks to everyone who has already committed reviews to this thread, i enjoyed reading all of them and i learnt a great deal from seeing other people's reviews. 8 indicators need more spacing Contrary to that, folks think current spacing is already too much: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/527267 yeah, good point, but that's Appindicators. I really mean Networking, Power, Sound, Messaging and the ones that follow (Date/Time, Me, Session). I don't see the reason for NOT having a wingpanel up there, and spacing the indicators a bit more, to make aiming and visual distinction easier.. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Byobu no longer installed by default?
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:37, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hey Corey, Corey Burger [2011-02-15 15:10 -0800]: I noticed that Byobu is no longer installed by default. Is this a conscious decision and is the size of byobu so big that its space is required by something else? [...] screen/byobu aren't that important to have in the default desktop installation is there a general definition for what exactly qualifies an application to deserve the title important? According to your statement, a definition might be found behind the word default desktop installation. So i guess everything that goes beyond having a working Desktop Environment is also not important, correct? This type of definition work helps a lot with deciding what packages will eventually be removed, replaced or added to make the default desktop installation more redundancy-free. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: GNOME session saving dropped in natty
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 16:16, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: Vishnoo [2011-01-21 20:41 +0530]: Is there a bug filed for this, which we could follow? I don't think we should bother. Session saving can't ever be perfect. You won't ever get back things like your unsaved current documents, undo buffers, network connections (chat), etc, and those are much more interesting than the position of your windows (not that GNOME would or could ever get that right even). I think this has always been a half-baked misfeature. What's wrong with wanting the window positions memorized? For proper session saving/restoring there is suspend and hibernate. yes, one would want to think so, but then again this is strongly hardware dependent, and therefore unreliable. As others state here already, Hibernate is about the most unreliable feature to avail in Ubuntu, closely followed by Suspend. I'd opt for the window position thingy. And i'd use an engine such as used with from Zeitgeist to make it happen. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
automatic fsck blacks out screen during boot
hello, i noticed today that the automatic (periodic) fsck blanked out my screen completely, except of course for the CLI cursor on the top left. What i would have expected to happen: * i start the computer * it loads linux and shows me either progress or results until i see the login screen and my mouse cursor What happened: * i started the computer * fsck started invisibly without notification of any kind * for about a minute i didn't know what was wrong with the boot procedure due to a blank screen * suddenly the mouse cursor and login screen appeared -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Sporadic UI halts on Meerkat Netbook - how to debug
Hi Milan, On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:25, Milan Bouchet-Valat nalimi...@club.fr wrote: There's nothing specially related to GUIs in this problem, I think that's a bug in the kernel. everything is connected, reliability in the UI *depends* on conditional reliability in the core/kernel So I'm not deferring the problem to another list, I'm just saying that there's no hope the desktop team will fix it [...] i agree totally with you, the desktop team can't fix this alone, this is bigger than only desktop team or only kernel hackers.. and the only option is to discuss this with kernel developers. Have a look at the bug report I linked to, and you'll see that's the only guarantee to avoid talking with nobody listening... true. it's difficult to get this one across to anybody, because nobody really feels responsible. If UI response gets improved on a UI level, I/O stutters will most likely still occur, if I/O misbehaviour is fixed, UI response might still have its problems and issues.. To reserve a legit amount of power for what i would call UI Reliability is a joint venture for all of the desktop and its core, i don't think anybody can go this one alone, we'd just end up in the same vicious circle of performance issues again next cycle.. safe -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
