Re: Byobu no longer installed by default?

2011-02-16 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:37, Martin Pitt  wrote:

> Hey Corey,
>
> Corey Burger [2011-02-15 15:10 -0800]:
> > I noticed that Byobu is no longer installed by default. Is this a
> > conscious decision and is the size of byobu so big that its space is
> > required by something else?
>
> [...] screen/byobu aren't that important to have in the default desktop
> installation


is there a general definition for what exactly qualifies an application to
deserve the title "important"?
According to your statement, a definition might be found behind the word
"default desktop installation".

So i guess everything that goes beyond having a working Desktop Environment
is also not "important", correct?

This type of definition work helps a lot with deciding what packages will
eventually be removed, replaced or added to make the "default desktop
installation" more redundancy-free.
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Re: Byobu no longer installed by default?

2011-02-16 Thread Corey Burger
Thanks. I will note that in the appx of the book.

Corey

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Martin Pitt  wrote:
> Hey Corey,
>
> Corey Burger [2011-02-15 15:10 -0800]:
>> I noticed that Byobu is no longer installed by default. Is this a
>> conscious decision and is the size of byobu so big that its space is
>> required by something else?
>
> It was a conscious decision (we dropped screen), as screen/byobu
> aren't that important to have in the default desktop installation, and
> both together save ~ 0.7 MB. It's not a lot, but given our continuous
> unfattening quest every bit helps.
>
> Martin
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Re: Byobu no longer installed by default?

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hey Corey,

Corey Burger [2011-02-15 15:10 -0800]:
> I noticed that Byobu is no longer installed by default. Is this a
> conscious decision and is the size of byobu so big that its space is
> required by something else?

It was a conscious decision (we dropped screen), as screen/byobu
aren't that important to have in the default desktop installation, and
both together save ~ 0.7 MB. It's not a lot, but given our continuous
unfattening quest every bit helps.

Martin
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Byobu no longer installed by default?

2011-02-15 Thread Corey Burger
I noticed that Byobu is no longer installed by default. Is this a
conscious decision and is the size of byobu so big that its space is
required by something else?

Corey

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