Re: Proposed changes to default applications in 16.04 LTS
On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 05:55:53PM +0100, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > […] > I feel like gnome-calendar is a better solution, especially if we > consider that a good part of users use webemails and don't need an > integrated solution to a desktop mailer they don't use but rather a > simple calendar UI. Just to keep this list informed: Last week we made the necessary changes to add gnome-calendar to the desktop images. A few of us from the team considered the two solutions proposed here and we preferred gnome-calendar for the reasons Seb listed above. There are a few issues which we'll iron out over the rest of the cycle. Cheers, -- Iain Lane [ i...@orangesquash.org.uk ] Debian Developer [ la...@debian.org ] Ubuntu Developer [ la...@ubuntu.com ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Proposed changes to default applications in 16.04 LTS
Agreed, I use gnome calendar and don't use TB. It helps me keep a track of my itinerary via google and keeps me informed about upcoming flights etc. Regards Arup Roy Chowdhury On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 09/11/2015 17:31, Bryan Quigley a écrit : > > Negatives of xul-ext-thunderbird > > It is bigger ~6MB vs 1.5MB. > > It's not standalone. > > Doesn't integrate with the date applet. (The last two might be fixable) > > Hey, > > Thanks for the feedback. I took some time to play a bit with both solutions > > * gnome-calendar > - UI is simple, focus on the essential > - it integrates well with the desktop, can be selected as preferred > calendar, opens from the indicator when clicking on a data, is listed in > the unity dash (once the OnlyShowIn=GNOME is removed from the .desktop, > which is a small bug to fix) > - it does proper e-d-s integration/syncing from online calendar > - the look is more in line with our other apps > > unsure about features it might miss, but it can sync calendar and add > events which seems to be what most users need/want? > > * tb-ext > - seems relatively complete feature wise > - supported by mozilla (though there are online discussions suggesting > they might try to give thunderbird away) > - integrated with our default mailer > but > - it doesn't integrate with the system (it's part of the mailer but not > listed as a calendar) > - doesn't do e-d-s integration (there is an extension for that but it > hangs tb on start when activated) > - the UI feels more cluttered > - integrates to a mailer, every time you start tb it nags you about > adding an email account ... it's not a proper solution if you are not > using it as your mailer > > > I feel like gnome-calendar is a better solution, especially if we > consider that a good part of users use webemails and don't need an > integrated solution to a desktop mailer they don't use but rather a > simple calendar UI. > > Cheers, > Sebastien Bacher > > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Proposed changes to default applications in 16.04 LTS
Le 09/11/2015 17:31, Bryan Quigley a écrit : > Negatives of xul-ext-thunderbird > It is bigger ~6MB vs 1.5MB. > It's not standalone. > Doesn't integrate with the date applet. (The last two might be fixable) Hey, Thanks for the feedback. I took some time to play a bit with both solutions * gnome-calendar - UI is simple, focus on the essential - it integrates well with the desktop, can be selected as preferred calendar, opens from the indicator when clicking on a data, is listed in the unity dash (once the OnlyShowIn=GNOME is removed from the .desktop, which is a small bug to fix) - it does proper e-d-s integration/syncing from online calendar - the look is more in line with our other apps unsure about features it might miss, but it can sync calendar and add events which seems to be what most users need/want? * tb-ext - seems relatively complete feature wise - supported by mozilla (though there are online discussions suggesting they might try to give thunderbird away) - integrated with our default mailer but - it doesn't integrate with the system (it's part of the mailer but not listed as a calendar) - doesn't do e-d-s integration (there is an extension for that but it hangs tb on start when activated) - the UI feels more cluttered - integrates to a mailer, every time you start tb it nags you about adding an email account ... it's not a proper solution if you are not using it as your mailer I feel like gnome-calendar is a better solution, especially if we consider that a good part of users use webemails and don't need an integrated solution to a desktop mailer they don't use but rather a simple calendar UI. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Proposed changes to default applications in 16.04 LTS
Hi friends, On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 03:26:31PM +, Will Cooke wrote: > Hi all, > > Following the desktop team sprint in October and the UOS session last week > I wanted to quickly follow up on some proposed changes to the default > install and gather any feedback. > > Brasero - to be removed from the image and put into Universe. The > rationale here is that little development or maintenance is happening > upstream, there are some bugs/issues which are yet to be fixed upstream and > its importance is diminished with the adoption of USB thumb drives. Very > few people are writing CDs/DVDs these days and those who need it can still > install Brasero from the archive. > > Empathy - to be removed from the image and put into Universe. The > rationale here is again it's largely unmaintained now and that fewer chat > services can used with Empathy, because services such as Facebook are > moving everything back to their websites and away from XMPP. I just did this now, as well as some other miscellaneous shuffling. For example most applications moved to Recommends so you can remove them and still keep ubuntu-desktop. > > Gnome Calendar - to be added to the image. This brings a stand-alone > Calendar application with integration with Unity. Not yet. The rest of this thread notwithstanding, this package would need an MIR. Cheers, -- Iain Lane [ i...@orangesquash.org.uk ] Debian Developer [ la...@debian.org ] Ubuntu Developer [ la...@ubuntu.com ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Proposed changes to default applications in 16.04 LTS
2015-11-09 18:31 GMT+02:00 Bryan Quigley : >> Gnome Calendar - to be added to the image. This brings a stand-alone >> Calendar application with integration with Unity. > I've been reviewing this since the UOS, and I'd prefer to go with > xul-ext-lightning calendar integrated into Thunderbird instead. It's > definitely more tested and feature complete and Mozilla actually > started including it by default in upstream builds in v38. It's > already used by enterprises and we can expect it to be around and > supportable in 5 years. I'm a happy user of Lightning too, and I started using it once I noticed it being included in default Thunderbird builds by upstream. I use it with my Debian CalDAV server. > Doesn't integrate with the date applet. (The last two might be fixable) I don't know how much work real integration would be, but as a band-aid I'm currently using ”EDS Calendar Integration” extension on my Thunderbird which makes the events available in the date applet. -Timo -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Proposed changes to default applications in 16.04 LTS
Hi, > Brasero - to be removed from the image and put into Universe. +1 (the USC reviews shows it has been going downhill for a while) > Empathy - to be removed from the image and put into Universe. +1 ( > Gnome Calendar - to be added to the image. This brings a stand-alone > Calendar application with integration with Unity. I've been reviewing this since the UOS, and I'd prefer to go with xul-ext-lightning calendar integrated into Thunderbird instead. It's definitely more tested and feature complete and Mozilla actually started including it by default in upstream builds in v38. It's already used by enterprises and we can expect it to be around and supportable in 5 years. Negatives of xul-ext-thunderbird It is bigger ~6MB vs 1.5MB. It's not standalone. Doesn't integrate with the date applet. (The last two might be fixable) Thoughts? Kind regards, Bryan [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/38.0.1/releasenotes/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Proposed changes to default applications in 16.04 LTS
Hi all, Following the desktop team sprint in October and the UOS session last week I wanted to quickly follow up on some proposed changes to the default install and gather any feedback. Brasero - to be removed from the image and put into Universe. The rationale here is that little development or maintenance is happening upstream, there are some bugs/issues which are yet to be fixed upstream and its importance is diminished with the adoption of USB thumb drives. Very few people are writing CDs/DVDs these days and those who need it can still install Brasero from the archive. Empathy - to be removed from the image and put into Universe. The rationale here is again it's largely unmaintained now and that fewer chat services can used with Empathy, because services such as Facebook are moving everything back to their websites and away from XMPP. Gnome Calendar - to be added to the image. This brings a stand-alone Calendar application with integration with Unity. I expect these changes to have little impact on the majority of users but please let us have your feedback. Cheers, Will -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
