Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
would prefer to see people in Ubuntu. Don't sell yourself short; Ubuntu is what we are selling when we are making a Live CD. Ok, as promised: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar09/a/LiveDapperBoot.avi.torrent 16meg, worth the view. not worth even consedering for final product, but worth chattering about. that was a laptop hooked to a video capture device. It didn't like the screen mode changes, so most of it was just fuz. If anyone is interested, I can try doing the same thing in a VM and using the host OS to capture. ^CarlFK -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
Carl Karsten wrote: Ok, as promised: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar09/a/LiveDapperBoot.avi.torrent 16meg, worth the view. not worth even consedering for final product, but worth chattering about. Carl, that sounds great! Unfortunately I get a bad torrent. I you could put the file somewhere I could upload and just mirror it on an Ubuntu machine. - Henrik -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
tis 2006-02-21 klockan 23:39 +0800 skrev Jerome Gotangco: Firefox 4.7mb No brainer. Gaim 6.6mb Consistency tells us to have it :-). Thunderbird 6.1mb Evolution doesn't run on Win yet? (Consistency again!) Abiword 5.0mb Do we really need to ship something-Word? Windows still has Wordpad, no? I think we can all agree on that if we should ship something it would be OO.o, and that's to damn big... Gimp 15mb Really? Why not just have an URL? MoinMoin Desktop 3.2mb This is probably not used by many people ;-). 7-zip 0.8mb Why? I really think we should not add to many apps. Our default www-browser, MUA and IM-app should probably do it, no? We can leave URLs for the rest :-P. Cheers, /C PS Sorry for the late reply, going through backlog now and haven't read e-mail since I started on my new job. DS -- Christian Bjälevik [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
Le mercredi 08 mars 2006 à 20:35 +0100, Christian Bjälevik a écrit : tis 2006-02-21 klockan 23:39 +0800 skrev Jerome Gotangco: Thunderbird 6.1mb Evolution doesn't run on Win yet? (Consistency again!) It should, but I don't believe there's an installer available yet. Abiword 5.0mb Do we really need to ship something-Word? Windows still has Wordpad, no? I think we can all agree on that if we should ship something it would be OO.o, and that's to damn big... No, we don't all agree :-) Abiword is a wonderful piece of software. Don't remove it. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
ons 2006-03-08 klockan 21:54 +0100 skrev Vincent Untz: Le mercredi 08 mars 2006 à 20:35 +0100, Christian Bjälevik a écrit : Abiword 5.0mb Do we really need to ship something-Word? Windows still has Wordpad, no? I think we can all agree on that if we should ship something it would be OO.o, and that's to damn big... No, we don't all agree :-) Abiword is a wonderful piece of software. Don't remove it. Sure, but it's not Ubuntus default piece of software. Therefore I don't think we should ship it on the WinFOSS part of the CD either. The space is better used for other things... Like, for example, Ubuntu! :-) We need consistency if we want to waste space on Windows-things! ;-) Cheers, /C -- Christian Bjälevik [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
I'd like to poll people's views on the content of the Windows FOSS on the Live CD. In the past we have adjusted the Win-FOSS to fit the available space quite close to the end of the process, but it might be worth taking a longer view now. How do people use it? Is it something that end user find valuable? This is the current collection on Ubuntu 5.10: Firefox 4.7mb Gaim 6.6mb OpenOffice 77.1mb Other CD content 13-15mb Total: 100mb The big space-hog as always is OpenOffice.org 2.0. It takes up 77 MB of space (compressed), and is then only available in English (a different language is a separate install). If we removed OOo2 we could add several other applications, and still save considerable space. An example: Firefox 4.7mb Gaim 6.6mb Thunderbird 6.1mb Abiword 5.0mb Gimp 15mb MoinMoin Desktop 3.2mb 7-zip 0.8mb Other CD content 13-15mb Total: ~57mb The 'other CD content' is the stuff that makes it browseable. This includes the Gecko-based CD bowser and content files including images like screenshots. We could potentially add some items to this, like a PDF version of the 'Great Features of Ubuntu' document and possibly some wallpapers. I see three main issues with removing OpenOffice: First it is a cornerstone piece of FOSS that has an important role in getting a foot-hold on the Windows platform (but less important than Firefox). It has the best support for MS-Office files of the Free office suites. And third, it is what we ship with Ubuntu, so it presents a unified picture, making it clear that you can run many of the same applications on several platforms and you can then painlessly move your data between them. The question is whether these three points are important enough to outweigh the limitations on space. The the saved 30-77mb we can add a lot of cool stuff. Among that stuff could be example content (and language packs). With more space we could include more pictures, OOo presentations, several pieces of music, a decent video clip, gimp files with multiple layers, etc. Thoughs? - Henrik -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
imho the win32 foss is a bad idea per se: we shouldn't take 100 mb for something that's not needed for ubuntu, especially when you're under heavy size constraints. given that, if the choice still is to blundle win32 software, the non-ooo2 option sounds like the most reasonable. no one will ever install it from that cd anyway, and we get to add more variety. -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
Santiago Roza wrote: imho the win32 foss is a bad idea per se: we shouldn't take 100 mb for something that's not needed for ubuntu, especially when you're under heavy size constraints. Well, remember that the CD isn't just for you and I who already know and use Ubuntu. It's for a wider audience, to which esp. the live CD serves as a great introduction tool. Once you are using Ubuntu, you can always install more software or you can get the DVD instead. Imagine a conversation with a friend who you are trying to introduce to Ubuntu. He generally likes the concept of FOSS, and has been stubbed N times by virus and malware infections. So you have his interest, but then there are the obstacles: * I have this FooBarCash program on Windows that I really need * I need MS-Office/QuarkXpress, etc. for my job * I have all my files in format X * Repartitioning my drive sounds scary * My parents/friends/partner also use the machine and they won't like it if I change the system Armed with an Ubuntu Live CD you can say: OK, take this disc and restart your computer. Run the live session and see what you think. Then open it up on your Windows system, and at the very /least/ install Firefox. Using IE is just a bad idea. Using Firefox will at least reduce your exposure to nasty stuff and it has tabs!. -- OK, that sounds useful. I'll try it. They take the CD and actually use it :) - Henrik -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
On 2/21/06, Henrik Nilsen Omma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, remember that the CD isn't just for you and I who already know and use Ubuntu. It's for a wider audience ... i know that, but the problem is that we're overlapping objectives here. the ubuntu livecd cannot have the same objetives as (for example) the opencd. Then open it up on your Windows system, and at the very /least/ install Firefox. i don't see why i can't give him a different cd for that, and let both cds do what they're meant to do, and do it well. -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
Jerome Gotangco wrote: This selection is pretty good actually, although I would wonder the use of MMDE for casual computer users. Yes, I agree that it's probably not mainstream enough. It's just me who is a Moin-zealot :) That was more a hypothetical list to show some file sizes. Wesnoth is pretty good too (included in the OpenCD) but that's around 35MB for the setup file. I think 35MB is a bit too much for something which has a fairly small audience in the end (besides, TheOpenCD needs some selling points too ;) ). - Henrik -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
Hi ! I think 35MB is a bit too much for something which has a fairly small audience in the end (besides, TheOpenCD needs some selling points too ;) ). Considering the great pieces of software we could make available the Ubuntu part in those 35M, I tend to agree. What about opening a small window (just like now, with nice icons), but with just internet links (to the download page(s)) for the software we don't want to actually include on the CD ? Cheers, Manu -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
To change its practices requires an effort. To propose softwares for Windows on CD is a means of reassuring people. When you listen people around you, you realize that they don't know what is free softwares, even less than they can have a free office suite, and even less than any software does not require a licence of use. These softwares are still necessary to help people to learn. But that should be better indicate on Live CD. Of course that can make double employment, because Live CD is bootable, but sometimes simply start another OS can make fear. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
