Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available
W dniu 27.02.2013 03:10, Wookey pisze: State of the Debian/Ubuntu arm64 port = *** Arm64 lives! *** Congratulations Wookey (and everyone involved)! * There is now a bootable (raring) image to download and run Once you've created a tarball chroot builds are simply done with sbuild -c quantal-amd64-sbuild -d quantal --host=arm64 package.dsc or sbuild -c quantal-amd64-sbuild -d quantal --host=arm64 package_version (I'd love it s/quantal/raring/ I think. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Ubuntu Developer Summits Now Online and Every Three Months
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Riddell jridd...@ubuntu.com wrote: An event with only a week's notice is pretty useless especially if it clashes with significant dates like feature freeze. +1 here too as it makes planning totally difficult for any contributor (as gilir said and on a personal note I would take time off during May and November to plan down on my views that I thought to say during the uds. Secondly, The timezone in which this uds is planned for just puts me virtually out of participation on the sessions I intend to attend as it will be at the stroke of midnight at the place where I live (and holds good for most of the eastern parts I guess) and waking up coming back from work would be difficult. Thirdly, contributors (like myself) can be living in some places where internet connectivity would be not that great to support HD video streaming and can cause distortion when trying to speak. Finally, By this, the human touch to ubuntu community will drop further a bit as I think ubuntu community has been a great community for the social touch it provides (although doing an online UDS is beneficial from the commercial and the time perspective but can create a dent in the social aspect of the community). Regards, -- Bhavani Shankar Ubuntu Developer | www.ubuntu.com https://launchpad.net/~bhavi -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available
On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 13:37 +, Wookey wrote: I had to choose between getting this working in vaguely finite time and keeping both Debian and Ubuntu bootstraps in sync, so unstable just got stuck at the 'toolchain bootstrap needed' stage. That's quite reasonable Is raring useful to you or do you need sid? Once the toolchain is done it shouldn't be _too_ much work to get Debian uptodate although there will be a _lot_ of patched packages. Raring is fine, just reached for Debian out of habit etc. To be honest I'm probably getting a little bit ahead of myself anyway -- I'm working on aarch64 guest support for Xen at the minute and your mail prompted me to wonder how hard it would be to build the Xen tools for arm64 in a multiarch environment, to some extent the toolchain is the least of my worries ;-). Ian. -- Ian Campbell A witty saying proves nothing, but saying something pointless gets people's attention. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available
On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 02:10 +, Wookey wrote: Setting up an arm64 build environment is very simple. Use sbuild-createchroot or mk-sbuild and point at the bootstrap repo, with a bit of config and some updated tools packages from the repo (amd64 only supplied). Details are given on https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/CrossCompile/arm64bootstrap I think these are missing a dpkg --add-architecture arm64 at some point before apt-get update / install crossbuild-essential-arm64 ? I tried to adjust those instructions to something similar for Sid + the debian-bootstrap repo but there were unmet dependencies of crossbuild-essential-arm64 (libc, pkgbinarymangler), but I get the impression that is to be expected at this stage? Ian. -- Ian Campbell Alea iacta est. [The die is cast] -- Gaius Julius Caesar -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available
+++ Ian Campbell [2013-02-27 12:00 +]: On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 02:10 +, Wookey wrote: Setting up an arm64 build environment is very simple. Use sbuild-createchroot or mk-sbuild and point at the bootstrap repo, with a bit of config and some updated tools packages from the repo (amd64 only supplied). Details are given on https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/CrossCompile/arm64bootstrap I think these are missing a dpkg --add-architecture arm64 at some point before apt-get update / install crossbuild-essential-arm64 ? Yes, good point. Now fixed on the wiki page, along with some s/quantal/raring/ Sbuild will do this for you before updating/installing, but when doing stuff manually in the chroot (as those instructions suggest for pre-installing crossbuild-essential-arm64) you do indeed need to add the foreign architecture(s). I tried to adjust those instructions to something similar for Sid + the debian-bootstrap repo but there were unmet dependencies of crossbuild-essential-arm64 (libc, pkgbinarymangler), but I get the impression that is to be expected at this stage? You won't get anywhere in Sid at the moment: No prebuilt cross-toolchain, and some of the multiarch info missing. If you actually want to _use_ this (as opposed to fix it) then it has to be raring. I had to choose between getting this working in vaguely finite time and keeping both Debian and Ubuntu bootstraps in sync, so unstable just got stuck at the 'toolchain bootstrap needed' stage. Is raring useful to you or do you need sid? Once the toolchain is done it shouldn't be _too_ much work to get Debian uptodate although there will be a _lot_ of patched packages. Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Emdebian, Wookware, Balloonboard, ARM http://wookware.org/ -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Call for Presenters - Plenaries at UDS
Hi everyone, We're still planning on having plenaries and lightning talks for the 2 day UDS, so I'm looking for 4 15 minute presentations for Tuesday, and as many 5 minute presentations as we can fit for the Wednesday. If there's a topic you'd like to see discussed, please mail me offlist with your presentation topic. Since we're short on time we'll probably select the talks on Monday, so please send in your submissions to me as early as possible, thanks! -- Jorge Castro Canonical Ltd. http://juju.ubuntu.com -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for Presenters - Plenaries at UDS
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 01:38:50 PM Jorge O. Castro wrote: Hi everyone, We're still planning on having plenaries and lightning talks for the 2 day UDS, so I'm looking for 4 15 minute presentations for Tuesday, and as many 5 minute presentations as we can fit for the Wednesday. If there's a topic you'd like to see discussed, please mail me offlist with your presentation topic. Since we're short on time we'll probably select the talks on Monday, so please send in your submissions to me as early as possible, thanks! What are the mechanics of giving such a presentation? Is there a way to show presentation material in a G+ hangout or is some other mechanism going to be used? Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for Presenters - Plenaries at UDS
You can share your screen on G+ Hangouts, there's also some tie-in with Google Docs, but I'm not sure how or how well that works. Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com On 02/27/2013 02:16 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 01:38:50 PM Jorge O. Castro wrote: Hi everyone, We're still planning on having plenaries and lightning talks for the 2 day UDS, so I'm looking for 4 15 minute presentations for Tuesday, and as many 5 minute presentations as we can fit for the Wednesday. If there's a topic you'd like to see discussed, please mail me offlist with your presentation topic. Since we're short on time we'll probably select the talks on Monday, so please send in your submissions to me as early as possible, thanks! What are the mechanics of giving such a presentation? Is there a way to show presentation material in a G+ hangout or is some other mechanism going to be used? Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Ubuntu Developer Summits Now Online and Every Three Months
On 2/27/13 5:19 AM, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Riddell jridd...@ubuntu.com wrote: An event with only a week's notice is pretty useless especially if it clashes with significant dates like feature freeze. +1 here too as it makes planning totally difficult for any contributor (as gilir said and on a personal note I would take time off during May and November to plan down on my views that I thought to say during the uds. Secondly, The timezone in which this uds is planned for just puts me virtually out of participation on the sessions I intend to attend as it will be at the stroke of midnight at the place where I live (and holds good for most of the eastern parts I guess) and waking up coming back from work would be difficult. Thirdly, contributors (like myself) can be living in some places where internet connectivity would be not that great to support HD video streaming and can cause distortion when trying to speak. I empathize -- doing UDS remotely on the same days that you have real work is rough and I wouldn't recommend it. I realized how much I was putitng into Ubuntu when I found myself staying up till 3am to attend a UDS session a day before a major exam ;) Perhaps on the other side, in principle if you were prepared to take time off to come to UDS you may be able to take time off to adjust your personal clock and secure a reliable internet connection for remote participation. Finally, By this, the human touch to ubuntu community will drop further a bit as I think ubuntu community has been a great community for the social touch it provides (although doing an online UDS is beneficial from the commercial and the time perspective but can create a dent in the social aspect of the community). No argument here, although I think those of us sponsored to attend may not have appreciated how incredibly expensive the ordeal was. Thanks, Scott Ritchie -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Call for Presenters - Plenaries at UDS
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: What are the mechanics of giving such a presentation? Is there a way to show presentation material in a G+ hangout or is some other mechanism going to be used? You can import your presentation into Google Drive and then be able to display it as part of a presentation. I've also made a wiki page for submissions as Michael reminded me that that's how we used to it if people want to submit here instead of to me directly: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-1303/Plenaries -- Jorge Castro Canonical Ltd. http://juju.ubuntu.com -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: arm64 Debian/Ubuntu port image available
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote: State of the Debian/Ubuntu arm64 port = *** Arm64 lives! *** Hi, Is there any device with Aarch64 on sale? I couldn't find any, only some mentions from Calxeda. Would you mind to provide suggestions of any seller which sells through the internet? -- Cláudio Patola Sampaio IRC: ptl - Yahoo: patolaaa Campinas, SP - Brazil. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Ubuntu Developer Summits Now Online and Every Three Months
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 08:21:36AM +0100, Julien Lavergne wrote: 2013/2/27 Jonathan Riddell jridd...@ubuntu.com: An event with only a week's notice is pretty useless especially if it clashes with significant dates like feature freeze. It will be a problem for any community members. How are we suppose to organize ourself on a so short notice ? I can't take 2 vacation days 1 week before them. I organized myself to be free on May, not March. UDS is supposed to be the most important event after release day, a period when the project (or for example, any derivatives) organize itself. How are we suppose to organize anything with only 1 week of preparation ? I think it's important to understand that moving this first virtual UDS up is a response to the fact that, with the strong focus on the phone and tablet for the Canonical team over the next year, engineering planning is *already* happening that would normally be discussed at UDS before implementing. By moving UDS up, something that's obviously only possible to consider with UDS as a virtual event, we're enabling the community to be part of those discussions which otherwise might not happen publically (or at least wouldn't be systematically public and visible). So yeah, it's going to be hard for the community to participate to the same degree on such short notice, and that's not good. But bear in mind that the plan is to have another virtual UDS in three months, around the usual time of year. Even if this UDS winds up being completely dominated by topics driven by Canonical engineering, it's still better for Ubuntu to have those discussions in public instead of in private; and for community members who have been caught off-guard and aren't able to participate this time, they'll still be able to get the videos of the discussions online, and three months from now be in a position to participate on an even footing just like they would have otherwise. I think that makes having this vUDS preferable to the alternative. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 06:49:14PM +0530, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Riddell jridd...@ubuntu.com wrote: An event with only a week's notice is pretty useless especially if it clashes with significant dates like feature freeze. +1 here too as it makes planning totally difficult for any contributor (as gilir said and on a personal note I would take time off during May and November to plan down on my views that I thought to say during the uds. Secondly, The timezone in which this uds is planned for just puts me virtually out of participation on the sessions I intend to attend as it will be at the stroke of midnight at the place where I live (and holds good for most of the eastern parts I guess) and waking up coming back from work would be difficult. This isn't going to be a perfect, drop-in replacement for our previous approach to UDS; there are certainly some trade-offs. But I'm not convinced that participation from Asia is actually one of them. Setting aside the fact that in this case there's very short notice, why would it be any easier to take off a week, hop on a plane, deal with jet lag and attend UDS in person, than to take off two days, have a couple of late nights, and attend sessions remotely? The latter option scales a lot better, takes /less/ time out of people's lives, and I'm sure it gets a lot fewer people sick with the UbuFlu. Thirdly, contributors (like myself) can be living in some places where internet connectivity would be not that great to support HD video streaming and can cause distortion when trying to speak. I know that Google Hangouts include various low bandwidth tweaks. Do you happen to have any experience with these, to know how well they work / what the real minimum bandwidth requirements are for participating? I suspect that, in practice, it's not so different from what's required in order to be able to participate effectively in other aspects of Ubuntu development, but possibly it would be worth testing this before next week. Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Ubuntu Developer Summits Now Online and Every Three Months
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 03:13:03 PM Steve Langasek wrote: Thirdly, contributors (like myself) can be living in some places where internet connectivity would be not that great to support HD video streaming and can cause distortion when trying to speak. I know that Google Hangouts include various low bandwidth tweaks. Do you happen to have any experience with these, to know how well they work / what the real minimum bandwidth requirements are for participating? I suspect that, in practice, it's not so different from what's required in order to be able to participate effectively in other aspects of Ubuntu development, but possibly it would be worth testing this before next week. Since Launchpad was open sourced there's been no requirement to use proprietary web services to be involved in Ubuntu development (and the fact that there was before that was a matter of significant controversy in the community). In that regard the requirement to use Google's infrastructure to participate is a fundamental change. Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Ubuntu Developer Summits Now Online and Every Three Months
On 02/26/2013 05:10 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: I think this is a terrible shame. A virtual event will result in far less focused sessions. It will also remove the important community bonding aspect of UDS. I'm torn. On one hand, I firmly believe that it's important for the future of Ubuntu (the distro) to have Canonical become a *profitable* company. That's not an easy transformation, and succeeding in that will require making cuts, even difficult cuts. On the other hand, I'm really not sure what Ubuntu (distro or project) will be without face-to-face UDS. It's just a big unknown, that hits me on multiple levels: - UDS is (so far) the only place where volunteers and employees mix in high-bandwidth on fully equal footing. Working at Canonical is like UDS all year-round, so it's hard to see that from the inside. But after being both inside and outside, I noticed a sharp difference. A virtual UDS might have the same effect, though remote sessions often dull the impact of meetings like that. Hard to tell. Honestly, the best integration I've ever had on a geographically distributed team was with a daily phone call. So, there's a chance that going virtual will encourage Canonical to be more open on a regular basis, instead of saving it all up for UDS. There's also a chance that the iron curtain will drop, and we'll never hear another peep out of Canonical. I don't think the iron curtain scenario will play out, but it's something they'll have to be very careful about. - Canonical aside, UDS has served as a key point of community cohesion over the years. Without UDS, there is a risk of drift off to such a degree that there's really no community left to speak of. But then there's also a chance that having Canonical step down from the driver seat of events will open up whole new doors for community activity. If UDS is really going away, it might be time for a community-organized annual event to take its place, like PyCon, DebConf, ApacheCon, etc... - UDS has been a very good connection point for Ubuntu and for Canonical. It has provided a key conversion experience for other projects to more actively support Ubuntu, and for other companies to enter commercial relationships with Canonical. UDS is good for business. It shows off the best and the brightest of Ubuntu in a way that just doesn't happen anywhere else. It makes Ubuntu sexy. I don't know what will replace that. - There are a lot of people I really like, who I only see at UDS. I have a very real sense of grief at will I ever see so-and-so again? It's certainly not Canonical's job to pay for my social life. :) But, it's important to me, enough to be willing to invest effort in making sure that doesn't happen. Robbie blogged recently about removing non-LTS releases (rolling release). I wonder if this three month UDS frequency is part of that. Removing non-LTS releases will remove a lot of what makes Ubuntu a great community project, cadance has always been a hallmark of Ubuntu. This I'm not concerned about. We've been talking for years about the fact that server users are either very conservative and stick with the LTS releases, or in the cloud space and want the latest images right now not 6 months old. The non-LTS releases have never really been relevant server-wise. Allison -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Ubuntu Developer Summits Now Online and Every Three Months
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 04:54:39 PM Allison Randal wrote: Robbie blogged recently about removing non-LTS releases (rolling release). I wonder if this three month UDS frequency is part of that. Removing non-LTS releases will remove a lot of what makes Ubuntu a great community project, cadance has always been a hallmark of Ubuntu. This I'm not concerned about. We've been talking for years about the fact that server users are either very conservative and stick with the LTS releases, or in the cloud space and want the latest images right now not 6 months old. The non-LTS releases have never really been relevant server-wise. True, but his post was about could server be a rolling release Too. We are left wondering about the rest. Some of the working in the open you mentioned earlier in your mail would probably be handy here. Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Adding Spidermonkey 17esr to Raring
Hi, Finally after about 2 years Mozilla are releasing a version of the standalone spidermonkey engine. This release is based off the engine from Firefox 17esr. It has taken quite a long time to get to this stage, and I was hoping it would happen earlier in the cycle, but I would still like to get this into raring if at all possible. My motivation for this is the great improvements it brings to gnome-shell. This release fixes a number of high impact issues including greater performance, greatly reduces memory leaks, and finally solves the long standing and quite common issue with Garbage Collection deadlocks. I ported gjs to this engine a few months ago and while it hasnt landed upstream yet, the plan for 3.8 is to branch gjs and release 2 versions of gjs, one for each engine. This new gjs is API compatible with 3.6, and in fact works great with gnome-shell 3.6, so essentially it would be great to bring these improvements into raring. There are big API/ABI breaks in this release compared to previous 185 release. Currently none of the other rdepends have been ported as far as I know, and its probably not realistic to get all of them ported this cycle. Mostly the porting is easy enough, however it does result in quite large diff's so would really want to be done upstream, as it would probably be a nightmare to maintain these as Distro patches. Add to this CouchDB is fundamentally incompatible with this new release, due to their use of illegal javascript syntax (in 185 enforcement of this was optional) as a core feature of their user scripts. Given the above, replacing/upgrading the old package is simply not going to be feasible this cycle. I propose adding this new engine as an additional library, I discussed this on IRC a bit with seb128 and chriscoulson, however they were unsure about whether this is something that could want to go ahead and suggested that I raise it here for more widespread discussion. Main issues raised were overall its a low priority but also some security concerns. Hopefully now with all the patches on their way into the upstream mozilla code-base, future releases will be more regular, they will be tracking the firefox esr releases. Although not really guaranteed just yet, it is planned for some point releases over the life of each version. Probably issues with overlapping versions will continue to be a problem until the JS C API settles down, next release 24 will again break all rdepends. - Tim -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Ubuntu Developer Summits Now Online and Every Three Months
I agree with everything Jonathan has said and would like to add that the proposal to use Google+ alone shows that this is not about increasing participation. At UDS rooms can have anywhere from a few people to a large crowd actively engaging at once. Google+ is limited to those who use the service and better yet hangouts are limited to 10 people at a time which means people will be excluded from the conversation to some degree. I do not think the assertion that this is to expand participation is valid but instead it seems like a cost saving measure that will have a negative impact on the community. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Jonathan Riddell jridd...@ubuntu.com wrote: I think this is a terrible shame. A virtual event will result in far less focused sessions. It will also remove the important community bonding aspect of UDS. An event with only a week's notice is pretty useless especially if it clashes with significant dates like feature freeze. Robbie blogged recently about removing non-LTS releases (rolling release). I wonder if this three month UDS frequency is part of that. Removing non-LTS releases will remove a lot of what makes Ubuntu a great community project, cadance has always been a hallmark of Ubuntu. These are probably good moves for Canonical's need to move to working with businesses and keeping its bank balance healthy but they're very bad moves for Ubuntu as a community project. Jonathan -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- Benjamin Kerensa http://benjaminkerensa.com I am what I am because of who we all are - Ubuntu -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
