Re: Will installation on BIOS systems with no ESP be supported in 21.04?
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 at 17:51, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > > Sorry about this. As you can see from the tag changes, the bug was imported to > JIRA on Oct 29[1], but then it seems to have gotten "lost" in the backlog. > > Probably because it was still 6 months away from being urgent, it eventually > ended up in the middle of the queue, and we were also focused on the grub and > shim security updates for the second BootHole round,so we might have lost > track of other bootloader bugs a bit. > > Thank you for doing everything you did to get this to our attention > again, I appreciate that. I'll go see if we can improve our processes > to reduce the chance of this happening again. Thank you very much for fixing it so quickly, and I look forward to running Ubuntu on my various BIOS-only boxes for years to come. :-) -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 – ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Will installation on BIOS systems with no ESP be supported in 21.04?
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 19:08, Sai Vinoba wrote: > > Hi Liam, > I just want to know if it is not possible for you to allocate around 200-500M > and mark it as 'EFI System Partition' as the installer is requesting? It > doesn't require major re-partitioning, doesn't have to be the first > partition, it can also be extended partition. I checked putting EFI partition > as an extended partition and it installs and boots properly. Tools like > Gparted would help you do this without affecting your already existing > partitions. > > That said, if you really don't want to create an EFI parition, you can > consider using Lubuntu. It uses Calamares, not ubiquity and as such is not > affected by this bug. I did few BIOS mode (MBR parition) installs today, > without an EFI partition and it installs and boots without any issue. I am aware of that (although I was under the impression that it had to be a primary partition). The things are this: • I always run in legacy BIOS mode if I can; it's simpler, more familiar, and there is less to go wrong; • Almost all my computers multi-boot 2 or more OSes. Some of the OSes I use can only be installed in primary partitions, of which one disk can only have 4 in total; • If you already have OSes such as DOS or Windows on a computer, adding a new primary partition can break things; it can also cause problems such as out-of-order partitions; • switching from BIOS to UEFI boot mode, or _vice versa_, can cause recent, UEFI-aware Windows to fail to boot; • and last but not least, I don't *want* a useless, needless ESP. • I mainly run old, upgraded copies of Ubuntu with Unity, but also the new Unity remix. I don't want LXDE or LXQt and don't want Lubuntu. I prefer Xfce and on other distros use that, and this bug does also affect Xubuntu; I replicated it myself. But if all these things were not already true, then even so: • This is a _new bug_, and did not affect 20.04 on any of my computers. Indeed after 20.10 failed to install on one, I reinstalled 20.04 without problems; • If there is some new but valid reason why Ubuntu now _requires_ an ESP and no ESP is present _then it should create one_; • legacy-BIOS machines are still common and should be supported; I own 3 or 4 in regular use; • also, a legacy BIOS is the default config for most hypervisors I have seen. I find it astonishing that this issue was not picked up in testing -- a clean install in VirtualBox with default settings would exhibit it -- and that it has been left unattended for nearly 6 months. And as I have said by providing other links, e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/mpkfv3/error_in_the_install_so_i_was_trying_to_install/ ... it is not just me -- it is affecting dozens of other people. 23 people are watching this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1893964 I have been told it's not important, that you can manually install GRUB, that I am wrong to not want an entirely useless extra partition, and now to change my default remix and use a different desktop. I cannot understand this. It's a bug. A bug that will cause installation to fail on millions of perfectly working PCs that were fine with the previous version is not a trivial issue. Today I have received notifications that someone has taken over the bug and submitted a fix, but it took threads on here, on Discourse and a post to Hacker News to get some action. This is to me an astonishing failure in bug triage. -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 – ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Will installation on BIOS systems with no ESP be supported in 21.04?
I reported a bug that occurs in both Ubuntu Unity 20.10 and Xubuntu 20.10 and which prevents me from installing either OS on my computers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1915152 It seems that the Ubiquity installer *requires* an EFI System Partition (ESP) even if being installed on a BIOS-based system with an MBR hard disk. None of my PC computers use UEFI. I do own 2 with UEFI but I run them in legacy BIOS mode with MBR-partitioned disks. So they do not have UEFI system partitions. Multiple retries of reinstallation of 20.10 always fail because of this. My bug report has attracted no attention so I wanted to ask if anyone had tried this in 21.04 yet? I do not want to repartition and reformat the HDDs of several computers just to install a new release of Ubuntu. :-( -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 – ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
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