Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
I drafted an initial seed set for a 1.5GB image. As suggested here on the list, it's an extension of the CD image, including full language packs and additional common applications. Of the additional applications that people suggested here on the list, 4 are not included, because they're universe packages rather than main. If there's sufficient demand, we could promote some of them next cycle, but they aren't particularly critical, so not worth MIRs at this point. audacity anjuta wesnoth frozen-bubble Any suggestions on other games, developer tools, audio utilities or common applications in main to include? Allison -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Allison Randal alli...@canonical.com wrote: Any suggestions on other games, developer tools, audio utilities or common applications in main to include? I would be great to include the parts of Samba that Nautilus uses for Windows file sharing. On a stock install it's a prompt to install the rest of it and then you have to log out and back in before being able to share a folder. (Also, full vim! :D) -- Jorge Castro Canonical Ltd. http://twitter.com/castrojo Help fix Unity Bitesize Bugs: http://goo.gl/i1WA1 -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:21:48AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: I. e. we should remove the alternate/server parts and the pool, and try to find a solution in ubiquity to remove the unnecessary langpacks from the live system wholesale without having to wait for half an hour in ubiquity. That will get a bit hackish, but we know what langpacks look like, so skipping the unneeded /usr/share/locale-langpack/... files during copying and doing some careful dpkg brain surgery might do the trick (perhaps purging is even fast enough if there aren't any files from the package left?). The hack you describe is already pretty much what we do in ubiquity. See https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dvd-performance-hacks. In the case where the package has a prerm, we determined that this hack was unsafe (or at least not provably safe). It is often possible to speed things up without needing to change ubiquity by converting packages to avoid prerms (e.g. using triggers). -- Colin Watson [cjwat...@ubuntu.com] -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/09/2011 08:03 PM, Stéphane Graber wrote: Indeed, not sure what we should do to avoid that. A workaround would be to bump the minimal RAM requirement for install by whatever the biggest langpack needs (50MB ?). Or alternatively, detect that we won't have enough RAM and just not install the langpack in such case. I think that the ideal solution is to have a fuse-archive type mount that allows the langpack debs to be mounted and overlaid in the live fs as if they were installed, but that would require some more work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3y204ACgkQJ4UciIs+XuLnxgCgjfLAI7oBNgD+HPdJ40qnkzFL 8xMAoKW9ra4CmxRoEPVqRjD1zhoJ7Hg4 =d9rD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/09/2011 09:33 AM, Stéphane Graber wrote: What currently takes a really long time (around 30 minutes on a 45 minutes install for me) is the purging of the langpacks and their dependencies, mostly: Indeed, there is no way dpkg should take 30 minutes to purge the packages. This seems to be a serious performance problem in dpkg. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3y260ACgkQJ4UciIs+XuKsYQCgulUXGaS4T7+zIm64UizT4w10 j6IAoKw1pRgy/g7WnCH+7fn3ORrOTrP0 =vMgf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/09/2011 03:02 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: Is the RAM actually a problem in practice? I probably don't understand the squashfs / aufs architecture well enough; I assumed that the RAM requirements for this were already quite high and that adding a langpack to the overlay would have no major impact. If the packages are installed on demand, then the files are extracted and copied to a tmpfs, taking up quite a bit of ram. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3y3BcACgkQJ4UciIs+XuKp6QCgvBDhOH6CSwMvl5MdlHxQsRod of8AniGQ2Umeve8SSMiZG3PagmtDXf73 =oVCO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On mer., 2011-06-08 at 16:55 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: - What should we cut from the current DVD image (currently a superset of desktop, alternate, and server)? Or, perhaps more simply, what would be worth adding beyond the current 700MB CD image? If we have the machinery to produce language-specific CDs, could that same machinery be used to produce language-specific USB isos? If so, then only one language per image is necessary. Looks like that'd give back a lot of space. I don't think we should do that for USB isos. That adds iso QA, space required on mirrors in addition to people downloading the wrong image (and maybe a ETOOMUCHCHOICE?) language-specific CDs is one step ahead and we will see how this scale with disk space, iso QA and loco providing their default, but I don't think we should rush in language-specific USB isos. Didier -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 03:50:30PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote: At UDS-O, we discussed CD space again (as at many a past UDS). Colin has nicely summarized the discussion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/OneiricCDSizing Following on the tail of this, a few of us have been talking more about the idea of shrinking the 4.3GB DVD image down to a 1.5GB flash card/USB stick/DVD image. It's looking interesting enough to be worth talking about it more broadly. Love it. -- - mdz -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:50:30 -0700, Allison Randal alli...@canonical.com wrote: - What should we cut from the current DVD image (currently a superset of desktop, alternate, and server)? Or, perhaps more simply, what would be worth adding beyond the current 700MB CD image? Does the DVD install extra stuff than the CD if you install a desktop? I think we should be careful of diluting the experience is by providing alternatives to packages on the CD (e.g. providing Thunderbird if evolution is still the default.) I also think that it would be good to have a metapackage to install the extra packages if you install from the CD first, like the kubuntu-full package that Scott mentions. Looking at what I have installed that isn't default, I would suggest * inkscape * gimp * frozen-bubble The other things probably aren't appropriate (wireshark?) Thanks, James -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:23:31AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Phillip Susi [2011-06-08 21:52 -0400]: One thing that would be nice to fix with the existing DVD image is the waste of space it has from duplicating the language packs both as packages in the pool, and being installed in the sqashfs live image, which is MUCH larger than the one on the livecd. I agree, duplicating them is a hideous waste. It seems like the language packs should only be included in the pool, not the squashfs image, and installed on demand. I disagree. They should only be in the squashfs image, so that you can actually _use_ the live system in your local language. Is there any reason that they have to be in the squashfs image to get that effect? I know that's how it's architected today, but would it actually be a better experience to have a much smaller squashfs that needs to be unpacked, to which the correct language pack is applied on-the-fly as soon as we know what language the user has selected? Cons: - have to wait for apt before starting the login session or ubiquity - new code has to be written Pros: - shorter livefs build time - shorter install time - potentially *reusable* squashfs image, that can be extended for new locales just by dropping it on a new ISO including a different package repo Is this worth exploring? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
Steve Langasek [2011-06-09 10:49 -0700]: Is there any reason that they have to be in the squashfs image to get that effect? I know that's how it's architected today, but would it actually be a better experience to have a much smaller squashfs that needs to be unpacked, to which the correct language pack is applied on-the-fly as soon as we know what language the user has selected? At least the user wouldn't notice it, if casper would just DTRT according to the selected locale. The main drawback that I see is that it will take quite some RAM (magnitude of 40 MB for a well-translated language) in the live system. The unpack time is certainly not a biggie. Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:36:30PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Steve Langasek [2011-06-09 10:49 -0700]: Is there any reason that they have to be in the squashfs image to get that effect? I know that's how it's architected today, but would it actually be a better experience to have a much smaller squashfs that needs to be unpacked, to which the correct language pack is applied on-the-fly as soon as we know what language the user has selected? At least the user wouldn't notice it, if casper would just DTRT according to the selected locale. The main drawback that I see is that it will take quite some RAM (magnitude of 40 MB for a well-translated language) in the live system. The unpack time is certainly not a biggie. Is the RAM actually a problem in practice? I probably don't understand the squashfs / aufs architecture well enough; I assumed that the RAM requirements for this were already quite high and that adding a langpack to the overlay would have no major impact. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:51:27PM -0400, Stéphane Graber wrote: I wouldn't like this to result in any additional prompts; we should be able to auto-install these for the user based on their language selection in either the bootloader (in which case casper can do the setup), or in ubiquity-dm. Yeah, I don't plan on prompting the user for their language again, the prompt would be to give a chance for low-memory users to opt-out of the additional memory usage. As in my experience, it's really easy to trigger out-of-memory kills in the live environment by installing just a few megs of packages. Ah; that's not a very nice choice to present the user with then. Would you like to run in a language you don't speak very well, or would you like an OOM? :/ -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 16:25 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:51:27PM -0400, Stéphane Graber wrote: I wouldn't like this to result in any additional prompts; we should be able to auto-install these for the user based on their language selection in either the bootloader (in which case casper can do the setup), or in ubiquity-dm. Yeah, I don't plan on prompting the user for their language again, the prompt would be to give a chance for low-memory users to opt-out of the additional memory usage. As in my experience, it's really easy to trigger out-of-memory kills in the live environment by installing just a few megs of packages. Ah; that's not a very nice choice to present the user with then. Would you like to run in a language you don't speak very well, or would you like an OOM? :/ Indeed, not sure what we should do to avoid that. A workaround would be to bump the minimal RAM requirement for install by whatever the biggest langpack needs (50MB ?). Or alternatively, detect that we won't have enough RAM and just not install the langpack in such case. -- Stéphane Graber Ubuntu developer http://www.ubuntu.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
Stéphane Graber [2011-06-09 20:03 -0400]: Indeed, not sure what we should do to avoid that. A workaround would be to bump the minimal RAM requirement for install by whatever the biggest langpack needs (50MB ?). Or alternatively, detect that we won't have enough RAM and just not install the langpack in such case. I think that's a better approach indeed. A threshold of 1 GB seems appropriate for this? Then we could just do it in casper. Thanks, Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 03:50:30PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote: Following on the tail of this, a few of us have been talking more about the idea of shrinking the 4.3GB DVD image down to a 1.5GB flash card/USB stick/DVD image. It's looking interesting enough to be worth talking about it more broadly. - Does a 1.5GB image sound useful? It does. It's only double the size of the CD iso, rather than six times as is the case with the regular DVD, so an easier download proposition. - 1.5GB is what we keep coming back to, because it's a nice size to fit on a cheap 2GB flash card/USB stick with room for formatting and persistent data storage. It's about double the size of the current CD image, which allows plenty of room for a generous desktop image, without the painfully large download of the 4.3GB image. What other size considerations come to mind? I think the download bandwidth is probably the more important factor here. $5 will get a 2GB usb drive today; next year the same amount will probably get a 4 or 8GB drive. Year after that you probably won't be able to even find 2GB drives. So, you probably don't need to be as strict about the size limit over time, the way we have to be for CDs. - What should we cut from the current DVD image (currently a superset of desktop, alternate, and server)? Or, perhaps more simply, what would be worth adding beyond the current 700MB CD image? If we have the machinery to produce language-specific CDs, could that same machinery be used to produce language-specific USB isos? If so, then only one language per image is necessary. Looks like that'd give back a lot of space. Would be nice to see a diff of the DVD manifest vs. CD, with package sizes, so we can see what packages would give back the most space to drop. As far as stuff worth adding, maybe look first at apps we've had to drop like gimp and various office tools. A few more games might be nice. I'd love to see Inkscape included. What about frequently needed proprietary codecs or drivers? Bryce -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 06:50:30 PM Allison Randal wrote: At UDS-O, we discussed CD space again (as at many a past UDS). Colin has nicely summarized the discussion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/OneiricCDSizing Following on the tail of this, a few of us have been talking more about the idea of shrinking the 4.3GB DVD image down to a 1.5GB flash card/USB stick/DVD image. It's looking interesting enough to be worth talking about it more broadly. Ubuntu desktop will be sticking with the ~700MB image size in Oneiric (see the wiki page for details), so this isn't about reopening that discussion or about fitting things on the 700MB image. A few questions: - Does a 1.5GB image sound useful? - 1.5GB is what we keep coming back to, because it's a nice size to fit on a cheap 2GB flash card/USB stick with room for formatting and persistent data storage. It's about double the size of the current CD image, which allows plenty of room for a generous desktop image, without the painfully large download of the 4.3GB image. What other size considerations come to mind? - What should we cut from the current DVD image (currently a superset of desktop, alternate, and server)? Or, perhaps more simply, what would be worth adding beyond the current 700MB CD image? Allison For Kubuntu we changed our DVD image in Natty to also provide a metapackage (kubuntu-full) that was meant to give a broader KDE experience than can be shoved into 700MB (things like Digikam, Koffice (this will be Calligra in Oneiric), etc.) For Oneiric it's our intent to not releasee a CD sized alternate to reduce ISO QA requirements, so having the alternate installer available on the DVD is important (as are some other planned changes to reduce the number of use cases the live installer won't support). As a result, I don't think the smaller DVD is very interesting for Kubuntu, so even if Ubuntu moves to the smaller size, please preserve the capability to retain the current image sizes. Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/08/2011 06:50 PM, Allison Randal wrote: Following on the tail of this, a few of us have been talking more about the idea of shrinking the 4.3GB DVD image down to a 1.5GB flash card/USB stick/DVD image. It's looking interesting enough to be worth talking about it more broadly. Do you mean creating a new image in between the dvd and cd, or replacing the dvd image? I hope the former. I find the DVD image handy because you can still boot it as a livecd, and install using the GUI installer, but also fall back to the alternate for server or other advanced installs, or if the gui installer has problems, and even use it to upgrade an existing system ( or several ) without having to download all of the packages. - What should we cut from the current DVD image (currently a superset of desktop, alternate, and server)? Or, perhaps more simply, what would be worth adding beyond the current 700MB CD image? One thing that would be nice to fix with the existing DVD image is the waste of space it has from duplicating the language packs both as packages in the pool, and being installed in the sqashfs live image, which is MUCH larger than the one on the livecd. It seems like the language packs should only be included in the pool, not the squashfs image, and installed on demand. This also adds to the installation time significantly ( like 400% increase - it is ridiculous ) since it has to remove all of the language packs from the target system after copying the squashfs. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3wJzMACgkQJ4UciIs+XuJQMgCgmx9VdMqJ9xnTUImv3nh247JJ zwQAniXPN15a50JlQlJRm5RXsQkP7TOK =NP1I -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 16:55 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: As far as stuff worth adding, maybe look first at apps we've had to drop like gimp and various office tools. A few more games might be nice. I'd love to see Inkscape included. A sort of maker of things collection? Inkscape, Gimp, Audacity and Pitivi? What about frequently needed proprietary codecs or drivers? We don't have any proprietary codecs, the need for w32codecs package is basically gone with the more capable ffmpeg and gstreamer plugins. All the codec stuff off disc because of patent fears, nothing concrete, just a fear that Canonical would be liable from patent attacks. Although including libdvdcss is a funny one since no company will go anywhere near it, it's a criminal offense with 20 years in jail as far as I remember. DMCA is a nasty bit of work when it comes to breaking encryption. The only other things in the restricted extras which _are_ proprietary are the ms fonts and flash. I struggle to find a real reason to include either one. Martin, -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
Allison Randal [2011-06-08 15:50 -0700]: - Does a 1.5GB image sound useful? For me, it's basically the difference between useless hog (it's simply not worth downloading 4.5 GB and then finding a large enough USB stick just to get three extra packages), and very nice for carrying around with you to get a larger set of applications, and 1.5 GB is a bearable download even with slower DSL links. - 1.5GB is what we keep coming back to, because it's a nice size to fit on a cheap 2GB flash card/USB stick with room for formatting and persistent data storage. I agree. Also, as Bryce said, this isn't a physical limit, so we could e. g. increase it by 10% each year. - What should we cut from the current DVD image (currently a superset of desktop, alternate, and server)? Or, perhaps more simply, what would be worth adding beyond the current 700MB CD image? My preference would be to turn it into a large desktop CD. I. e. we should remove the alternate/server parts and the pool, and try to find a solution in ubiquity to remove the unnecessary langpacks from the live system wholesale without having to wait for half an hour in ubiquity. That will get a bit hackish, but we know what langpacks look like, so skipping the unneeded /usr/share/locale-langpack/... files during copying and doing some careful dpkg brain surgery might do the trick (perhaps purging is even fast enough if there aren't any files from the package left?). So from my side the DVD would be useful with better i18n support (just the translations, not all the extra dictionaries etc.) and with the featured applications that we have in the software-center, such as GIMP, Inkscape, the full LibO, developer tools (devhelp/anjuta/etc.). Some top-notch free games in the leagure of Wesnoth and frozen bubble would also be nice IMHO. Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB
Phillip Susi [2011-06-08 21:52 -0400]: One thing that would be nice to fix with the existing DVD image is the waste of space it has from duplicating the language packs both as packages in the pool, and being installed in the sqashfs live image, which is MUCH larger than the one on the livecd. I agree, duplicating them is a hideous waste. It seems like the language packs should only be included in the pool, not the squashfs image, and installed on demand. I disagree. They should only be in the squashfs image, so that you can actually _use_ the live system in your local language. This also adds to the installation time significantly ( like 400% increase - it is ridiculous ) since it has to remove all of the language packs from the target system after copying the squashfs. That's right, but I'd rather fix that. ubiquity could skip /usr/share/locale-langpack/[everything but the selected locale]/ during copy, then it should be a lot faster? Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
