Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
Nicolas Alvarez wrote: > John Richard Moser escribió: >> >> Anthony Bryan wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Have you thought about using Metalinks for your ISO downloads? It's an >>> XML format used by download apps, and contains the ways to get a file >>> (mirrors/P2P) along with info for automatic error detection/recovery >>> (checksums) and other stuff. >> >> Bittorrent. >> >>> It makes things simpler for the user, since they don't have to >>> manually try a bunch of servers that could be down, can use local >>> mirrors first, and can repair downloads (very useful for large files >>> like ISOs). >> >> Bittorrent. >> > > I usually get slow speeds on BitTorrent. I download via HTTP (using > multiple mirrors) and then seed the torrent for the rest. > OK, I had issues with bittorrent recently. Changing my tune. Yeah let's go for this. -- Bring back the Firefox plushy! http://digg.com/linux_unix/Is_the_Firefox_plush_gone_for_good https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322367 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
On ti, 2007-11-06 at 17:12 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: > In my 12 years of extensive Internet use, and several years prior to > that of using BBSes, I have NEVER had a download corrupted. It seems to > me that the sophisticated error detection and correction measures in the > underlying links are sufficient to prevent such errors. The error checking in the TCP/IP layer is usually sufficient, but not always. The checksum is short enough (32 bits, if I remember correctly) that errors can creep in. I have had it happen at least once to me. Unfortunately, the errors are more likely the more you download, and the more traffic there is -- meaning that at release time, for example, things are most likely to break, when people download huge ISO files. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 17:14 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: > Caroline Ford wrote: > > Some ISPs block bittorrent of course. Vodafone UK is one of them. I had > > great problems downloading openoffice.org for windows as they *only* use > > bittorrent as a distribution mechanism. > > You should browbeat such an ISP, not cave in to their draconian will. > Vigorously complain and if they do not stop, take your business > elsewhere. Giving in and using http instead just encourages them to > continue to think that they can screw you over any way they want. > We have 12 month contracts... They don't tell you they block it until you have it installed. It's not giving in, they really don't care. You'd choose MS Office over a program you can only get via bittorrent? Those were almost my choices Caroline -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
Caroline Ford wrote: > Some ISPs block bittorrent of course. Vodafone UK is one of them. I had > great problems downloading openoffice.org for windows as they *only* use > bittorrent as a distribution mechanism. You should browbeat such an ISP, not cave in to their draconian will. Vigorously complain and if they do not stop, take your business elsewhere. Giving in and using http instead just encourages them to continue to think that they can screw you over any way they want. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
On 07/11/07 07:14, Phillip Susi wrote: > Caroline Ford wrote: > >> Some ISPs block bittorrent of course. Vodafone UK is one of them. I had >> great problems downloading openoffice.org for windows as they *only* use >> bittorrent as a distribution mechanism. >> > > You should browbeat such an ISP, not cave in to their draconian will. > Vigorously complain and if they do not stop, take your business > elsewhere. Giving in and using http instead just encourages them to > continue to think that they can screw you over any way they want. While I understand what caused you to write this paragraph, perhaps you might consider a scenario where bittorrent is completely inappropriate. I am connected to the Internet via a 2-way vSat connection. This is an asymmetric connection, in my case 1024kBit/256kBit. If I were to use bittorrent to "download" something, my satellite uplink would quickly swamp my downlink at any share-rate, making the transfer absolutely horrendous. Bittorrent may well be useful in some environments, but not in all, nor is every ISP who restricts you trying to screw you over any way they want. -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S31°54'06" - E115°50'39" (Yokine, WA) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |>>?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
Phillip Susi escribió: > Anthony Bryan wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Have you thought about using Metalinks for your ISO downloads? It's an >> XML format used by download apps, and contains the ways to get a file >> (mirrors/P2P) along with info for automatic error detection/recovery >> (checksums) and other stuff. > > In my 12 years of extensive Internet use, and several years prior to > that of using BBSes, I have NEVER had a download corrupted. It seems to > me that the sophisticated error detection and correction measures in the > underlying links are sufficient to prevent such errors. Hmm... For a reason Ubuntu provides the full-file checksums, and people are encouraged to check them. Wonder what that reason is? >> It makes things simpler for the user, since they don't have to >> manually try a bunch of servers that could be down, can use local >> mirrors first, and can repair downloads (very useful for large files >> like ISOs). > > Usually the link on the web site chooses a mirror for you. Which is usually completely overloaded on a release day. I have seen it happen on both releases this year, lots of people on the irc channel asking for a working mirror. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
Anthony Bryan wrote: > Hi, > > Have you thought about using Metalinks for your ISO downloads? It's an > XML format used by download apps, and contains the ways to get a file > (mirrors/P2P) along with info for automatic error detection/recovery > (checksums) and other stuff. In my 12 years of extensive Internet use, and several years prior to that of using BBSes, I have NEVER had a download corrupted. It seems to me that the sophisticated error detection and correction measures in the underlying links are sufficient to prevent such errors. > It makes things simpler for the user, since they don't have to > manually try a bunch of servers that could be down, can use local > mirrors first, and can repair downloads (very useful for large files > like ISOs). Usually the link on the web site chooses a mirror for you. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Artwork / packagefreeze exception request
Jeff Schroeder wrote: > In the spirit of eye candy and the "Consistent and Easy to Use Login > Screen and Unlock Screensaver"[1] specification, I've made a human > gnome-screensaver lock dialog theme. Is it possible to change this now that Hardy is opened? Kenneth, any opinions on it? Cheers, Emilio. > Currently, this is what the screensaver unlock dialog looks like: > http://www.digitalprognosis.com/opensource/ubuntu/gnome-screensaver-default.png > > And with the new human theme for users with and without faces: > http://www.digitalprognosis.com/opensource/ubuntu/01-human-gnome-screensaver.png > http://www.digitalprognosis.com/opensource/ubuntu/02-human-gnome-screensaver.png > http://www.digitalprognosis.com/opensource/ubuntu/03-human-gnome-screensaver.png > http://www.digitalprognosis.com/opensource/ubuntu/04-human-gnome-screensaver.png > > You can download it here: > http://www.digitalprognosis.com/opensource/ubuntu/gnome-screensaver-human.tar.bz2 > > This makes the screensaver unlock use the same images as the gdm login > albeit scaled down. Doing this increases the overall desktop > experience and wow factor of Ubuntu slightly by adding consistency. No > strings are changed that require translation, no package is seriously > modifed, and nothing risky happens. It is a glade file, a dialog > specific gtkrc, and 2 images that need to be added to the > gnome-screensaver package. The glade file is just a modified version > of the current default. > > I'm asking for a freeze break for this simply because it is a > non-intrusive change that makes Ubuntu look better. Besides my being > an idiot and missing the artwork / betafreeze, are there any good > reasons to _not_ ship this with gutsy? Perhaps it could be included > after the beta freeze? > > Installation: > - Extract the contents of gnome-screensaver-human.tar.bz2 into > /usr/share/gnome-screensaver. > - Run 'gconftool-2 -s --type=string > /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_dialog_theme human' > > Reverting back to the default: > - Run 'gconftool-2 -s --type=string > /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_dialog_theme default' > > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnifiedLoginUnlock signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
> Caroline Ford wrote: > > Some ISPs block bittorrent of course. Vodafone UK is one of them. I had > > great problems downloading openoffice.org for windows as they *only* use > > bittorrent as a distribution mechanism. > > You should browbeat such an ISP, not cave in to their draconian will. > Vigorously complain and if they do not stop, take your business > elsewhere. Giving in and using http instead just encourages them to > continue to think that they can screw you over any way they want. > Just for the record, Comcast has been caught in the US injecting errors in P2P sessions. And... this was -- no, *is* -- being done without any warnings to users. So one has to look at the possibility that other major providers perhaps might be either doing or considering the same. Also, sometimes your only option, at least here is the US, is to physically move elsewhere: your ISP may be the single one servicing your area. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
Caroline Ford wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 17:14 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: >> Caroline Ford wrote: >>> Some ISPs block bittorrent of course. Vodafone UK is one of them. I had >>> great problems downloading openoffice.org for windows as they *only* use >>> bittorrent as a distribution mechanism. >> You should browbeat such an ISP, not cave in to their draconian will. >> Vigorously complain and if they do not stop, take your business >> elsewhere. Giving in and using http instead just encourages them to >> continue to think that they can screw you over any way they want. >> > We have 12 month contracts... They don't tell you they block it until > you have it installed. It's not giving in, they really don't care. > I'd imagine the UK doesn't have something like the SEC or BBB to tell them they're not allowed to false advertise or omit important details about provided service. Guess it's like Japan, where you can get F-Cups (cookies that advertise that 100% of the contained fat goes straight to your boobs). > You'd choose MS Office over a program you can only get via bittorrent? > Those were almost my choices > > Caroline > > -- Bring back the Firefox plushy! http://digg.com/linux_unix/Is_the_Firefox_plush_gone_for_good https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322367 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction
On 06/11/2007 Caroline Ford wrote: > You'd choose MS Office over a program you can only get via bittorrent? > Those were almost my choices > I don't think you can download and use msoffice without either paying /or/ using a peer-to-peer network, so you're right, they're beating us on this side, since they offer two different ways to download the program :) Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
