Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status
Il giorno mer, 01/10/2008 alle 00.37 -0500, Ted Gould ha scritto: > > The only thing that I think is somewhat reasonable is adding a "It's > complex..." item that would pop up a dialog that would allow for > setting > the status. Doesn't seem very clean though. What about using an enhanced widged instead of a menu? Think e.g. of the aspect of deskbar in intrepid, you can indeed type into it but it behaves as a menu. You could add status entries above the text box or even have two buttons, one to open the status text entry and one to set a given status from a list, also containing recent status messages. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 18:53 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: > By the way, you cant enter text for the status either with the > current implementation. Yeah. Looking for a good way to do that. Popping up a dialog on every change is too disruptive. A text area inside the menu seems, well, crazy. The only thing that I think is somewhat reasonable is adding a "It's complex..." item that would pop up a dialog that would allow for setting the status. Doesn't seem very clean though. --Ted -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:16 -0500, Tony Yarusso wrote: > As for status updates and the like, I've long wished things were more > integrated. (See > https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gaim-calendar-auto-aways > for one of my ideas that still isn't implemented.) I see where you're going there... but I haven't decided if that would be a little... spooky. I'm not sure how much control I'd want my day planer having over my IM status. That being said, that's a feature for Evolution. Now that telepathy has been blessed as a GNOME dependency it is something they could add. I'd recommend discussing that upstream with the Evolution developers. If Evolution was to set the presence in Telepathy the applet would respond correctly. > Besides just > Pidgin and Empathy, it would be nice if there was something I could > hook into through other means, such as an irssi script, so that > absolutely everything could be connected. Make there be ways to hook > up ping.fm, twitter, and identi.ca to it. Make it connected to > hamster-applet activities. You get the idea - have a truly central > place for this information, since it's increasingly being used in > different ways. While I think those are all interesting, and exciting possibilities, I think they'd probably be better implemented as Telepathy plugins rather than features of the applet. Well, I don't know about irssi scripts, but everything else :) --Ted -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
(X)Ubuntu HugDay
Xubuntu Hug Day!!! Fellow Xubuntu Lovers! My name is Charlie, hanging around IRC as charlie-tca. I'm helping organize this week's HUG DAY! This week's target is ** drum roll please ** XUBUNTU! * 118 New bugs need a hug * 50 Confirmed bugs just need a review Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over your egg-timers! * Thursday, October 2nd * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20081002 Can't stress it enough: EVERYONE can help ! BLOG IT! Especially those on the Planet! There are people who want to help but don't know how and sit on the sidelines of the blog-o-sphere reading. I need your help to get those eyes from blogs to bugs. Let us combine blog-powers to educate, "Bug work is a fun way to get involved!" I think the best effect will be if we coodinate together in our blogs: * Publish about the Hug Day Thursday October 2nd to get everyone excited. * Hug some bugs and add yourself to the HugDay's wiki for your readers! Make a difference: Join the HugDay on Thursday October 2nd. We will be in #ubuntu-bugs and #xubuntu-devel (FreeNode) all day and night, and will be ready to answer your questions about how to help. If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs Have a nice day from the bugsquad, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status
On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 20:26 -0500, Luke L wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Danny Piccirillo > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this up or if there's > > already an existing thread about it, but i don't see why all the shutdown > > options are now separated from the logout options and in the users switcher > > along with IM status changer even though the IM client already has it's own > > which is displayed in addition when it's running anyways. > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > > > > > > THANK YOU for bringing this up! Hardy's functionality w.r.t. the > logout/suspend/hibernate/shutdown/switch was quicker and better > looking. I know the separate screens are how upstream does it, but > that doesn't make it better. I would REALLY like to see this changed > back to the way it was. > > As far as the gnome-status thing changing Pidgin/Empathy statuses, I > don't personally mind, though I don't really care for it. I can see > where it causes problems more than it solves them. > > I have system sounds turned off... heh. > > Again, PLEASE change the logout button back. > -- > Luke L. > Luke, gnome-session underwent a re-write for Intrepid, which meant that the old (Hardy) patch to provide the single session-dialog no longer worked (leaving us with the separate upstream dialogs) You might want to check out https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/251211 to understand why the situation has remained this way. Chris signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status
I'll certainly add a vote against the new logout dialogue stuff. Honestly, until I remembered this sort of thing being discussed in the past I couldn't figure out how to shut down, since I haven't used the System menu to do so for so long. (Incidentally the button doesn't actually work for me and I have to use a command, but that's a different issue.) Six buttons together may look cluttered to some, but it's still less cluttered than six buttons spread across two different places, with no apparent connection between the two. As for status updates and the like, I've long wished things were more integrated. (See https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gaim-calendar-auto-aways for one of my ideas that still isn't implemented.) Besides just Pidgin and Empathy, it would be nice if there was something I could hook into through other means, such as an irssi script, so that absolutely everything could be connected. Make there be ways to hook up ping.fm, twitter, and identi.ca to it. Make it connected to hamster-applet activities. You get the idea - have a truly central place for this information, since it's increasingly being used in different ways. And I'd still love to see someone jump on hooking up Evolution, Thunderbird, and Google calendars to it. :) -- Tony Yarusso http://tonyyarusso.com/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status
Olá Ted e a todos. On Tuesday 30 September 2008 16:58:42 Ted Gould wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:53 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: > > On Monday 29 September 2008 18:12:29 Ted Gould wrote: > > > It will report the most available of the two on the panel. Setting it > > > on the menu will set both to the same value. A problem? Perhaps. A > > > very minor use case, definitely. What should it do? (too late for > > > Intrepid, but we can talk for Jaunty) > > > > Thats easy then: > > For Jaunty, if FUSA detects more then one app that it needs to change > > the status, make a new side-drop pannel for each app, and set the > > status there. > > That would make it difficult to say "I'm going to lunch" to all your IM > contacts at once. You'd have to do it once for each app. Lol. okay, you are picky. This is a bit of more UI work, but take a look at how "MyStatusBar" plugin work on Pidgin. It expands a status box for each account, and a general status bar that changes all other. But now, I see no easy way to do it on an applet. By the way, you cant enter text for the status either with the current implementation. -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:53 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008 18:12:29 Ted Gould wrote: > > It will report the most available of the two on the panel. Setting it > > on the menu will set both to the same value. A problem? Perhaps. A > > very minor use case, definitely. What should it do? (too late for > > Intrepid, but we can talk for Jaunty) > > Thats easy then: > For Jaunty, if FUSA detects more then one app that it needs to change > the status, make a new side-drop pannel for each app, and set the > status there. That would make it difficult to say "I'm going to lunch" to all your IM contacts at once. You'd have to do it once for each app. --Ted -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tablet PC under ubuntu
Oliver Grawert a écrit : > hi, > On Mo, 2008-09-29 at 16:10 +0200, Loïc Martin wrote: >> May I know where the call was sent (and where future calls/informations >> might be sent), since I've been monitoring > it was sent to ubuntu-devel on august 19th [1] though it was focused on > evtouch specifically, i also mentioned it on my last blog post on > planet.ubuntu.com, i saw that there were wacom .fdi files when i looked > so was thinking someone already took care of these devices, lets see > that we get it working in jaunty and probably backport and SRU at least > some preconfigured .fdi files for some general setup so we have > something basically working ... if it doesnt yet ... the fact that all > input devices are handled by hal with xorg 1.5 was made public quite a > while ago upstream, was discussed at the last UDS in some BOFs and there > are a bunch of specs for it. i wasnt affiliated wit teh mobile team back > then and could for teh above reasons only take care for teh devices i > have my hands on, lets just see that we get a better community > involvement in jaunty ... By community, since you send the request to ubuntu-devel only, I infer you mean the Ubuntu developers community. You might have noticed that tablets and wacom devices aren't really the teaming there. You might want to try with the Ubuntu community, who is already involved in helping tablet users despite the lack of support for their hardware in Ubuntu. We would indeed be happy to spend 5 minutes giving you the information you need, instead of keeping spending hours talking to brick walls and trying to figure what could make our devices work for a few years more. Now, if you'd like to reach that community, there are the mailing list at [EMAIL PROTECTED], the forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/ (multiple threads), the still open launchpad bugs (https://launchpad.net/). Better, why not try [EMAIL PROTECTED] , where you could find those users that had to switch distributions for one that supported their hardware. Some might even have a clue as how their distributions manage to support their hardware Let me know if you don't have the time, I could drop the emails on your behalf. Just let me know what devices would be usefull - tablet PCs, graphic tablets, joysticks, exotic input devices? > it was sent to ubuntu-devel on august 19th [1] though it was focused on > evtouch specifically, For good mesure, you should really have forwarded it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just making sure to omit the words "wacom" and "tablet" in the subject ;) Cheers, Loïc -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: crash in bluetooth-properties
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 10:53 +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: > On 28/09/08 08:19, Eric Anopolsky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm getting a crash in an application installed by a package with this > > email address listed as the maintainer, so here's my bug report. > > > > Using the bluetooth radio built into my laptop, pairing my mouse happens > > without any issues. When I try to pair my keyboard, here's what happens > > leading up to bluetooth-properties crashing. > > > This sounds like an issue I saw last month where the pass-phrase request > times out - so if you type fast during pairing, it all works. > Typing quickly didn't make a difference. There is a delay of many seconds between attempting to connect to the keyboard and the popup appearing offering the option to type in a passphrase. Here's some new information. If I type in the password on the integrated keyboard and hit enter BEFORE I type in the password on the bluetooth keyboard and hit enter, then I see a popup balloon indicating that a bonding was created between the keyboard and the computer. "Microsoft Keyboard" appears in the list of input devices on the Services tab. On the tab that says myhostname-0, I see "Microsoft Keyboard" in the list of bonded devices. On the far right, I see a key icon indicating a bonding and a yellow star indicating that it's a trusted device. However, the plug icon indicating a connection is missing. If I press buttons on the keyboard then the plug icon appears indicating a connection, but no keypresses get through to the computer. After a few seconds, the plug icon disappears again. Any thoughts? Cheers, Eric signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: OpenOffice.org Hugday
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 13:16 -0400, Dereck wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Fellow Ubuntu Lovers! > > It's that time a week again... oh wait? It's the return of the Tuesday > HugDay!? > Beta is coming up quick but there are still a lot of bugs to hug, so without > fu > rther adue; > > > Bookmark it, add it to your calenders, turn over those egg-timers! > * Thursday September 30th > * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080930 Since i recived this on Sept. 30th (admitedly at 2.30 am) perhaps you should send these out a little earlier :) I'm not subscribed, so CC me in replies (thanks!). kk -- Karl Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: tablet-support in Ubuntu
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > On mar, 2008-09-30 at 11:04 +0300, Timo Aaltonen wrote: >> >> Note that the wacom driver doesn't fully support input-hotplug, since >> currently you need to initialize the driver multiple times to enable >> stylus/pen/foo, and that's not possible to do with HAL. The wacom fdi >> file >> configures the device as stylus.. > > Sorry for much noise and thank you for clarification and documentation > you provide here. Do you have a pointer with more explanations for the > latter? Can't HAL be faked into using three "different drivers" which > are just aliases for the same input driver so that it is reinitialised? No problem. It has been confirmed by upstream that what you propose is not possible to do with HAL, but instead the driver should use NewInputDeviceRequest() to accomplish the same. Unfortunately, that'll take some time, but here's hoping that the next six months are enough to have that in time for Jaunty. Someone needs to kick^H^H^H^Hask upstream :) t -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: tablet-support in Ubuntu
On mar, 2008-09-30 at 11:04 +0300, Timo Aaltonen wrote: > > Note that the wacom driver doesn't fully support input-hotplug, since > currently you need to initialize the driver multiple times to enable > stylus/pen/foo, and that's not possible to do with HAL. The wacom fdi > file > configures the device as stylus.. Sorry for much noise and thank you for clarification and documentation you provide here. Do you have a pointer with more explanations for the latter? Can't HAL be faked into using three "different drivers" which are just aliases for the same input driver so that it is reinitialised? Bye Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
tablet-support in Ubuntu
Hi! I'll start a new thread, because the ongoing thread became a bit too confusing to follow. Let's clear one thing first: 8.10 will not remove support for tablets now repeat that umpteen times. There has been too much misinformation floating around lately, and + admit that the consequences of input-hotplug could have been informed better, but I'll take this opportunity to clarify things that confuse people the most. First of all, things might work differently out-of-the-box, but that doesn't mean that input drivers couldn't be configured like before if need be. By default, the evdev-driver handles all input devices that HAL is aware of and which list input.keys/input.mouse as a capability of the device. Evdev might not be the best choice for example touchpads or tablets, and that's why there needs to be a driver specific HAL fdi-file that makes the device use the correct driver. This is true for synaptics touchpads, wacom tablets and (some) joysticks (WIP). Serial devices (some tablets, touchscreens) are more problematic, since HAL doesn't know about them without some trickery (which I'm not an expert of). But in those cases you should be able to configure them via xorg.conf without too much trouble. Now the workarounds: -If you like to disable input-hotplug completely, add 'Option "AutoAddDevices" "false"' to the ServerFlags-section. Then you are on your own, and get to keep both pieces. -If you like to just skip i-h for a single device you have, add an fdi file to /etc/hal/fdi/policy which matches your device and leaves input.x11_driver empty. Then you can configure that device in xorg.conf and prosper. Note that the wacom driver doesn't fully support input-hotplug, since currently you need to initialize the driver multiple times to enable stylus/pen/foo, and that's not possible to do with HAL. The wacom fdi file configures the device as stylus.. -- Timo Aaltonen Systems Administrator IT Services, Helsinki University of Technology tel. +358-9-4514317, mobile: +358-50-5918781 http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
