Re: Anyone else lost hardware buttons after update from intrepid-proposed?
Olá Mario e a todos. On Wednesday 12 November 2008 09:24:40 Mario Vukelic wrote: > Thanks everyone. Another set of updates arrived before I could figure > out what was going on, and now everything is fine again. There is an huge risk in running with proposed. Those who run with them enable, should be also tracking them on LP. I never understood why the proposed rep is not pined down/back... -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [ubuntu-x] Fwd: Wacom tablets, TabletPC and Xorg support for Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty)
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote : > Loïc Martin wrote on 11/11/08 20:50: >> ... >> I've done a mockup at >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom/PropertiesMockup and I'm >> attaching a compressed Inkscape SVG. Only the first > > This looks like a good start. However, it should be on wiki.ubuntu.com > (or live.gnome.org), not help.ubuntu.com, because it's not a help page. I'll move it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wacom/PropertiesMockup. I might wait a day or so till I have an updated mockup. >> I also started a thread for discussing this possible tool on >> linuxwacom-discuss (so we don't mix discussion about the tool and >> discussion of the solution adopted for Jaunty). As for request on the >> LWP side it's nice if this discussion happens in LWP's mailing list, so >> other distribution have the opportunity to see what we do and >> participate. The thread is at >> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4919DE29.5090906%40gmail.com&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss > > I'm not keen on joining another mailing list just to design one window > (especially since, as shown by its Web archive, a majority of its > messages are spam). But you're welcome to forward this feedback there. I had the same problem. Filter [SPAM] in the subject and [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the recipient and you'll be safe (not much traffic compared to ubuntu-devel-discuss). I can run around and try to mix the two discussions together, but it's going to be increasingly difficult. We need linuxwacom input on the subject. I'm sure we all agree we want their opinion (the tool itself would need their input, especially for TabletPC) and a collaboration would add tremendous value to our users. They always end up looking at linuxwacom for documentation, and having it conflict with the method in Ubuntu means we'll keep having forum threads and erroneous Launchpad bug reports where people were advised by fellow Ubuntu users to compile the drivers and follow an outdated model (/dev/input/event# on USB, /whatever/ttsy0 for TabletPC) for the configuration. I'd understand it might not be possible, but if you could get into the list for the first discussions, even deactivating receiving emails from the list while keeping the possibility to forward your own emails to linuxwacom-discuss, that would really help. I'm sure they'd appreciate an @canonical address showing up here and there ;) > In Gnome, mouse and touchpad settings are handled in a single tabbed > window. Why should tablet settings be in a separate window? Could they > instead be another tab in the same window? I don't know why they couldn't. However, if we want this program to be also "endorsed" by the Linux Wacom Project, it can't pull a dependency on Gnome. See Ron's email at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20081112162718.GA11442%40homer.shelbyville.oz&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss Ron wrote: >>> > > Preferably something simple that works without forcing KDE >>> > > or GNOME etc. on people -- but we can keep this in a separate >>> > > package so the core linuxwacom driver deps can remain minimal. >> > >> > It needs to integrate better than a motif application though ;) > > If it's vanilla gtk widgets, you won't hear too many complaints > from me :) If people _have_ to install large chunks of KDE or > GNOME (or motif:) to use it though, that may not be as popular. > > I can't really think of anything it would need from them anyway, > but if there is something, it should probably be an optional extra > either as some sort of plugin, or that detects them at runtime if > they are present (and works for most other things if they are not). Keybooad and Mouse are already separate in Gnome. I don't see a tablet as a mouse, nor a mouse as an "extended input device", but it's also up to what other people think (LWP, Gnome, KDE) and what distributions think. We've got Ron input for Debian, let's hope we can get Fedora/Suse/RH/Mandriva/Gentoo opinion. Using different configuration tools when switching desktop/distributions is hardly a good user experience, and tablets/TabletPC are still niche enough that duplicate programming efforts can't reasonably be expected. Back to your email: > What is the "Activate Tablet" checkbox for? In what situations would you > want it to be unchecked? There's decent probalility the HAL method will still not work for Jaunty. See the LWP discussion, but if HAL really can't change their opinion, the workarounds aren't clear. "Activate Tablet" is there for the xorg.conf method. It would write the configuration in xorg.conf or remove it at will (as long as we keep the statu quo in Ubuntu, which is no xorg.conf wacom lines by default). If an user doesn't use a Tablet anymore (or prefer the .fdi method), we need also to provide a way to revert the xorg.conf The fdi HAL method wouldn't require it - the tablet is plugged, it's already active (I suppose the .fdi won't cause problems for KDE like xorg.conf does). > "Tablet model
Re: [comment request]New Blueprint for UDS Jaunty
I like the idea of this, my only comment is on your use cases of the pre-cache. I think it would be smarter to pre load the config/lib files necessary but not the programs itself. I felt by some of the use cases you mentioned there were applications being opened, and IMO I don't want firefox/OOo opening up at random on those certain days im not being routine in my tasks. Maybe you also want to think about setting a timer to remove those cached files after a certain time if the user isn't performing their typical routines. ~Brian Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing. --Wernher Von Braun "The second law of thermodynamics: If you think things are in a mess now, JUST WAIT!!" On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:54 PM, f5inet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > please, oh please, hit me until death!!! > > this is the forgoten link: > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/predictive-caching > this is the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PredictiveCaching > > forget me for my mistake > > 2008/11/12 Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Hi, >> >> f5inet [2008-11-11 17:44 +0100]: >> > I register a new blueprint/spec for Jaunty. >> > >> > Please, take a look and comment it. >> >> It would help if you would give the name of it, preferably in the form >> of a clickable link. :-) >> >> Martin >> -- >> Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de >> Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) >> > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [comment request]New Blueprint for UDS Jaunty
please, oh please, hit me until death!!! this is the forgoten link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/predictive-caching this is the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PredictiveCaching forget me for my mistake 2008/11/12 Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi, > > f5inet [2008-11-11 17:44 +0100]: > > I register a new blueprint/spec for Jaunty. > > > > Please, take a look and comment it. > > It would help if you would give the name of it, preferably in the form > of a clickable link. :-) > > Martin > -- > Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de > Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [comment request]New Blueprint for UDS Jaunty
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:44:19 +0100 f5inet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I register a new blueprint/spec for Jaunty. > > Please, take a look and comment it. > > Thanks in advance. It is hard to comment on a page I can not find. What is the page? Thanks. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)
I feel your pain, a colleague of mine who was an administrator in my erst-while company. We had 100 desktops and we had close to 100 odd developer desktops switched to ubuntu. We had also made an apt-mirror to get updates but most of the time the updates were not used. Reason :- The admin had to spend too much time to see as and when things broke so he was static. Applications used :- 4-5 applications were used mostly a. Eclipse b. Openoffice.org c. Web-browsers (mostly Firefox) d. PHP e. Skype Hardware used :- Mostly Intel-based machine (C2D or whatever cheap we could find) , 1 GiB RAM on some machines, smattering of AMD based mobos, IDE HDD's and run of the mill monitors) Even on the few machines we did some updates, many a times it would break something or the other. The good point is that most of the times the worksaround was there on the forums but that takes time. Eventually we came to having a very static environment. Also the admin was never interested to file bugs in ubuntu simply because too much work (and language issues) I dunno if anything given in the post is helpful to the developers or not, or would be just 'noise' but felt like sharing hence did it. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)
On 11/11/2008 Andrew Sayers wrote: > I'd like to hear Vincenzo's take on this, but it sounds to me like the > bugs here are: If you ask for it, I reply but try to be concise. It is much simpler than that: 1) One bug is there since more than one year (VGA out) and it is affecting many people that I know, that would have become ubuntu users but will not, and this makes me sad. It's not "my bug" and I wanted ubuntu developers to know that there are users who have opted not to switch to ubuntu for that reason. And it does not happen every day, that one decides to try and switch to another operating system, so we should care of not missing the train when it passes by. 2) Another bug affected me at random (WIFI), and there was nothing I could do about that, and it happened to me other times with other intel cards. I've not been clear perhaps, but the problem is that I was used to have my network card functioning, and one day it just left me without connection - after I moved abroad for one month, not after I upgraded. This is because intel's drivers mostly suck, there is no simpler explanation. They have tons of bugs and corner cases (I can support this by pointing at the number and gravity of LP bugs for them). I want to be able to rely and let others rely on ubuntu so we need to know what works and what not. 3) There are plenty of other hardware regressions by which I am affected and I feel like these should be a bit more acknowledged by developers. Because I can't be the only one. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [comment request]New Blueprint for UDS Jaunty
Hi, f5inet [2008-11-11 17:44 +0100]: > I register a new blueprint/spec for Jaunty. > > Please, take a look and comment it. It would help if you would give the name of it, preferably in the form of a clickable link. :-) Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)
On 11/11/2008 Felipe Figueiredo wrote:
> The kind of rant that started this thread
> is not only uncalled for, but in fact counterproductive. Not to
> mention
> these particular ones are unfair, incorrect and (as noted by several
> others) exaggerated. He was not asking if he was the one of many, he
> basically assumed it affected everyone. Also, he wrongly assumed the
> distribution is responsible for all the QA released, likely ignoring
> that are distribution bugs and upstream bugs.
>
> There, I did it, I bit the bait. Now can we please move on?
No we can't. We could if you had not pointed your finger directly to me,
now you have called me in cause and I have to reply, sorry if this will
augment noise (like your comment above, indeed). I pointed my finger
in the past, too, and learned that it is almost always a bad idea.
I would like to point out to you that I have made many people switch to
ubuntu in a professional environment (an academic department, by the
way), and other had to come, that I report every bug I find, and
encourage others to do so, trying to be as precise as my 22 years of
experience with computers can help me to be, and occasionally I wasted
working days (yes I am paid to do a real job like all the others here)
to learn to package fixes to stuff that maybe you even use or used
("left as an exercise" what stuff), just because "somebody should do the
dirty job sometimes".
I have spent much time, and I have sometimes had to quarrel with other
persons in my academic department, in various attempts to introduce and
defend the principles of free software and open formats in our official
regulations.
But I can't continue publicizing ubuntu if I can't rely on it - because
people will come back to me and I will pass for a liar and completely
ruin my public image.
So if, as you say, you CARE for ubuntu, you should be sorry that
experienced people that actually does some "door to door" assistance for
ubuntu, and helps the community (and I know we are many, I am not
claiming any particular personal merit) gets so p**sed off with the
current situation that they might want to stop doing this unpaid job.
If you really care for ubuntu, you probably will appreciate that its
huge success is also due to this network of users that really "believe"
in an independent distribution that is striving to change the world. Of
which you probably are a part.
In the current situation - keep in mind I can be considered a very
experienced user (for me, being asked to compile a driver on X is a
matter of wasting a quarter of hour, for example) - I had the unpleasant
experience to realise that I can rely on ubuntu _much less_ than on
windows on various machines that I had _carefully_ chosen because their
hardware is ADVERTIZED as SUPPORTING UBUNTU. Sometimes, all my experties
is not sufficient: it just can not do the job it is supposed to do. And
this happens also on the machines of other people in my department who I
was helping to SWITCH TO ubuntu (from windows, from fedora, and even
from OSX). This is very frustrating and surely not what ubuntu is aiming to.
This is why, in my first e-mail, I asked for _good documentation_ on
what hardware REALLY works. Which implies that, as soon as you have a
regression, you have to check if it is true (that is, to urgently triage
the bug) and eventually ADVERTIZE the regression on the SAME PAGE where
you ADVERTIZE THE HARDWARE. This is always done, the point is that you
have to do in weeks, not years. I am not in the position to impose
anything, though, if ubuntu has other priorities I can't change the reality.
The rest of the thread was an unuseful hurricane of repeated rants,
likely due to my frustration in being constrained to use windows, that
has been dealt with with __great kindness__ by other people, and frankly
"a posteriori" the fact that nobody flamed me (I don't consider yours
a flame yet) is surprising, given the tone of my subsequent e-mails.
Vincenzo
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Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)
On 11/11/2008 Scott Kitterman wrote: > > I would encourage you (and others, you certainly aren't the only one) > to hold > your temper and if you can't say something helpful, just take your > hands off > the keyboard. Being angry, contemptuous, and disrespectful won't get > your > bugs fixed faster. What it will get you is yet another list with no > developers on it and you upset you can't get in touch with them. You are perfectly right, this went out of my control, and I appreciated a lot the responses I got on various other issues in the past. I stop now on the topic. The only seriously valid point for you developers in my e-mails - I think - and the one I wanted to expose in the first e-mail I wrote - is that we users really need a seriously maintained hardware database, and a serious attention to all hardware related regressions, because you can't change your hardware like you can change your software. This is what from times to times leads me to a complete demotivation on keeping supporting ubuntu - and I bet you as a developer care, not of me in particular, but of the numbers. Ubuntu is so popular because developers care about usability and understand what it is, but also because users are openly advertising and supporting it as if it was The Salvation from the Evil Microsoft. Don't loose this important advantage. If you start an officially endorsed hardware database with a forum for comments and user-to-user support in launchpad etc, and keep an eye open on regressions in hardware support, that should promptly be acknowledged and put aside the relevant entries in the hardware database itself, and that ideally should never be propagated to stable releases, but _usually_ do, I am sure your user community will make a great job in populating it. If you don't do that because of lack of manpower... I understand and accept the reality. Bye Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)
- Original Message From: Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:48:20 PM Subject: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions) On Tuesday 11 November 2008 10:47, Luke L wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Martin Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This list was created to give users a way to discuss Ubuntu development > >> with developers. Comments like "I was just joking about you having to > >> know anything" make the decision to unsubscribe easy. I'm seriously > >> considering it myself. > > > > It should remain, developers should remain. Developers are never going > > to get away from users who want to bitch, greater layers between the > > developers and users just breeds users who resent and don't understand > > developers and developers who don't understand (none programmer)user > > needs. Very Bad. > > > > So on one side I think that list moderators or peers should be very > > prompt in telling the wrong sorts of emails where to go, perhaps with a > > standard template which explains the rules and a little checkbox by the > > offence. > > > > On the other hand, list members should try not to bait the trolls. I've > > caught myself being suckered in too, so I know it's not easy. But why > > reward the wrong sort of emails with any response other than a boiler > > plait 'Your being rude' email? > > On a practical note, it isn't as if this ML is getting flooded with > hundreds of messages of traffic a day. For those who could benefit > from the technical discussions and user input, I don't see why someone > would disconnect themselves from that for the reason of saving > themselves 15 minutes a day. As long as there are "signals", the > "noise" should be dealt with and ultimately set aside. > Whether you see the reason for it or not, I guarantee you that fewer and fewer developers are subscribed to this list. The general reason is not 'too many messages' it's to much rudeness. Users on this list have a choice. Concerns can be raised in a way that is constructive, helpful, and brings us together or they can be raised in a divisive way. Offlist someone mentioned the example of kdvi brought up on this list a few months ago. Based on that user's request, I looked into the validity of their concern and found it had merit. As a result, I invested probably a dozen hours of my free time to repackage kdvi in a way that would work on Intrepid. Developers who are here do try to listen. It's up to you to chose how you decided to engage them in discussion. Scott K This message is meant to promote the cause of peace, although the rest of this paragraph might just make all sides equally angry with me. I have much sympathy for developers (especially the unpaid ones) who devote time and skill to a project and who have to suffer high levels of noise and even unreasonable criticism and intemperate language in mailing lists. However, I hope also that developers will manage to understand how frustration at being unable to solve problems through regular channels can drive people to escalate problems in not always the most productive ways. If it gives anyone some consolation, I will assure you that, having spent an entire professional career in my country's diplomatic service, flame wars just as bad as any here have been known to break out in e-mail discussions among foreign ministry colleagues. Is there any need to repeat the well-known tales about e-mail being an impersonal medium, something written gives the other person something to brood over, etc, etc? The problem is that, by its nature, flame wars will break out in e-mail and no number of Acceptable Use Policies nor exhortations to good behaviour will change that unhappy fact of human behaviour. It is a given that any face-to-face meeting of people needs someone to chair it, with a firm hand, if necessary, when the it slips off-topic (or worse). Until we have computers that can design better (better, not necessarily bigger) people, electronic discussions are invariably subject to the same stresses. My local LUG came up with a scheme which struck me as very sensible to have a couple of monitors who kept an eye on our mailing list, sought to deal in private e-mail with people who got too fired up, but who also had authority "to name and shame" and ultimately to ban repeat offenders from the list for whatever time the offence made appropriate. The current president of the LUG is a professor from the Department of Mathematics whom I first met over 20 years ago and only a half-dozen times since. This incident will give me an excuse to re-establish contact, especially now that, at age 58, I have gone back to school full-time at his university, but not in his Department. I will post again on this l
Re: Stepping down from Ubuntu Studio
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So wow. Here it is. The end of the road for me as lead of Studio. My > plan was always to head up 4 releases and Intrepid marks that. > > Besides the end of my commitment my personal situation has changed. I > have recently accepted a CAD job that will be taking up much of my time. > Along with a greater focus on other commitments. > > I will still be involved with Studio and Ubuntu just not to the same > degree. Seems to be a place many of us get to. :) I will mostly be > involved with Studio/Ubuntu art and testing. I'm also sure I'll get > sucked somewhat into a slight management role in Studio. I'll deal with > that as it comes. :) > > My replacement will be Luis de Bethencourt > (https://launchpad.net/~luisbg). He has been involved with Studio for > quite a while and will able to make future releases even better. > > Thanx to all in the Ubuntu community who have helped me and Studio get > to where it is. Without you, Studio would not exist. > > This ain't goodbye. ;) > > -Cory K. (_MMA_) > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > Cory. It is hard to see you step down, but I understand the changes on your life and share with you the believe you are making the boldest decision. Since this isn't a goodbye there is no need for sadness, just a smile at looking how we've evolved and how we keep developing around Ubuntu (Studio in this case). It is hard to go away completely since more than work, this is a group of friends with a common interest and goal. My gratitude for trusting me in the lead position of Studio. Won't let you down. Luis de Bethencourt -- Luis de Bethencourt Guimerá luisbg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG: B0ED1326 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[comment request]New Blueprint for UDS Jaunty
I register a new blueprint/spec for Jaunty. Please, take a look and comment it. Thanks in advance. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [ubuntu-x] Fwd: Wacom tablets, TabletPC and Xorg support for Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Loïc Martin wrote on 11/11/08 20:50: >... > I've done a mockup at > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom/PropertiesMockup and I'm > attaching a compressed Inkscape SVG. Only the first This looks like a good start. However, it should be on wiki.ubuntu.com (or live.gnome.org), not help.ubuntu.com, because it's not a help page. > I also started a thread for discussing this possible tool on > linuxwacom-discuss (so we don't mix discussion about the tool and > discussion of the solution adopted for Jaunty). As for request on the > LWP side it's nice if this discussion happens in LWP's mailing list, so > other distribution have the opportunity to see what we do and > participate. The thread is at > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4919DE29.5090906%40gmail.com&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss I'm not keen on joining another mailing list just to design one window (especially since, as shown by its Web archive, a majority of its messages are spam). But you're welcome to forward this feedback there. In Gnome, mouse and touchpad settings are handled in a single tabbed window. Why should tablet settings be in a separate window? Could they instead be another tab in the same window? What is the "Activate Tablet" checkbox for? In what situations would you want it to be unchecked? "Tablet model" seems to be followed by a button. What does the button do? If it's for changing the tablet model if it was incorrectly detected, would an option menu work better? "Write configuration in /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and "Write Xorg HAL configuration file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy" are both utter gibberish. How could they be eliminated? It's not clear what the "Stylus" or "Calibrate" buttons do. Could they be reworded? I can guess what "Sensitivity" and "Smoothness" are, but I have no idea what "Click Force" or "Sup[p]ress Points" mean. Could they be reworded to be more understandable? (By the way, slider labels should use sentence case, not title case.) How would I tell whether I'd set the correct values for any of those sliders? Should the window contain a test drawing area? Would it make sense to change "Layout" to "Buttons"? That seems to more precisely cover what you set in the tab. I suggest making menus look different from buttons in the mockup, otherwise it's hard to tell which is which. I don't understand the distinction between "Apply", "Save", and "Close". If changes took effect immediately, none of those buttons would be necessary. Cheers - -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkka8s0ACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecr6wgCePKYoKyhxd6nm9fxndaqt1jRr 4hkAoMbdFRaw64RThz3Wr5EjWRtfc+jC =TdgI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Anyone else lost hardware buttons after update from intrepid-proposed?
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 11:02 +1100, William Grant wrote: > > I strongly doubt it. My changes there didn't touch hotkeys. Thanks everyone. Another set of updates arrived before I could figure out what was going on, and now everything is fine again. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
