Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:59:07 pm Markus Hitter wrote: > >> And no, Ubuntu with it's applications is nowhere near the stability > >> of [...] Windows XP. > > You are kidding, right? > > No, I'm not kidding. Currently, Ubuntu fails to recognize the > keyboard layout and the network connection between boots; VLC can't > play videos without stuttering. Maybe this is something other than an Ubuntu error? My system remembers keyboard layouts and network connections between boots. Also, I'm more inclined to think that VLC not playing smooth video is more likely a VLC problem than an Ubuntu one. Try a different video player maybe. I've never experienced stuttering video under normal use conditions on my Ubuntu installation. -- Luke Aaron https://launchpad.net/~lukeaar "If A equals success, then the formula is: A = X + Y + Z. X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut." -Albert Einstein signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Fsck stops at boot, how to debug?
If you are unable to complete fsck on that partition from the live CD, you may have a bad hard drive (bad sectors, etc.). To test for that, boot onto a live CD, open a Terminal, and use this command: sudo badblocks -svb 4096 /dev/sda This will test the integrity of hard drive "/dev/sda". Please note that even 1 bad sector means that the hard drive is bad (I can elaborate on this if necessary) and needs replacement. --Dane P. S. I've been a computer repair technician for many years. If you have further questions, you can email me directly. P. P. S. I accidentally hit the "reply" button instead of the "reply to all" button, at first. Sorry if you get two copies of this email. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Markus Hitter wrote: > > Am 05.02.2010 um 09:42 schrieb David MENTRE: > > > The regular fsck that occurs at the boot of my Ubuntu Karmic x86_64 > > machine is stopping (once at 83%, once at 90%). The disk is inactive > > (led off). I can reboot the machine through Ctrl+Alt+Del. > > > > How can I debug such a situation? > > Boot off a live CD (or another partition) and do the fsck manually. > If it still insists to fsck at boot time, hit the Esc key, this > should abort checking. > > Markus > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter > http://www.jump-ing.de/ > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
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Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
Just in case you haven't seen some of the previous conversation on this topic, Mark Shuttleworth has talked about rolling releases verse time based releases here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/tag/cadence He makes some compelling arguments for time based releases. > There should be a prioritization for "FIX AVAILABLE" whereby SOMEHOW > these get tested. Someone needs to drop them into an additional > "Testing" repository (this is more volatile than -proposed), and alert > upstream that there's such a patch. I'm talking about "it compiled, > it ran on my workstation, I'm throwing it in -testing," not "Well it > compiles and runs, we've vetted it, tested it somewhat, we're putting > it in -proposed for wider developer testing." Apparently there's no > such resources to do some pretty basic work. You should probably talk to the upstreams that you think could benefit from this, and ask what they think. Your idea won't matter a whole lot if the upstreams aren't paying attention. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Markus Hitter wrote: > > Am 05.02.2010 um 10:46 schrieb Siegfried-A. Gevatter: > > > Apparently, the bug reporting and fixing (and packaging?) mechanism > is so complex only few developers can keep up with it. Out of the ten > bugs I have current, just a single one was fixed - in several months > of emailing, while a fix was found within a week. THIS. There should be a prioritization for "FIX AVAILABLE" whereby SOMEHOW these get tested. Someone needs to drop them into an additional "Testing" repository (this is more volatile than -proposed), and alert upstream that there's such a patch. I'm talking about "it compiled, it ran on my workstation, I'm throwing it in -testing," not "Well it compiles and runs, we've vetted it, tested it somewhat, we're putting it in -proposed for wider developer testing." Apparently there's no such resources to do some pretty basic work. I understand that the developers have some responsibility here even for beta repositories, especially since that stuff's used to actually evaluate if something should go to release; but we really need a proving ground that amounts to all of "screw it, we don't know, some homeless guy on the street said to try this so I uploaded it; it builds and runs for me." -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
Am 05.02.2010 um 10:46 schrieb Siegfried-A. Gevatter: > 2010/2/5 Markus Hitter : >> Perhaps he's talking about not to introduce a different photo viewer >> or instant messenger application every other release. > I'm not sure what you mean with this in relation to Ben's message. > > That's the point why there are releases Actually, it's not. Ubuntu is a Linux distribution and as such it's the groundwork to run applications on it. To get newer applications, there is no direct need to upgrade the groundwork. >> And no, Ubuntu with it's applications is nowhere near the stability >> of [...] Windows XP. > You are kidding, right? No, I'm not kidding. Currently, Ubuntu fails to recognize the keyboard layout and the network connection between boots; VLC can't play videos without stuttering. That's pretty basic, yet the filed bugs get no attention or get attempts to declare them as user error. Neither is helpful. I'd expect at least hints on where I should stick my nose into to get onto the right track for a good diagnosis/fix. Shortly before Karmic was released I couldn't even file more bugs because Launchpad was more often down than functional. This situation led me to the conclusion there's no point in reporting further bugs, as they do nothing but fill Canonical's disk space. Apparently, the bug reporting and fixing (and packaging?) mechanism is so complex only few developers can keep up with it. Out of the ten bugs I have current, just a single one was fixed - in several months of emailing, while a fix was found within a week. Another one was even introduced intentional (kqemu), that's ridiculous. As soon as the groundwork is working reasonable I'm more than pleased to talk about enhancing the set of default applications. Yet, until Ubuntu gets there, there's a lot of work to be done. Markus > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
> well developed as-is. > >You are kidding, right? It amazes me that someone would say such a >thing. I can tell you right now that the competition (Apple, and, yes, >even Microsoft) do not have this attitude. While Ubuntu in its current >form is a great distribution, it is by no means perfect and is certainly >nowhere near a point where we can start considering stagnation. With the >spread of constant internet connectivity, the potential for innovation >is endless. Moreover, user interfaces need to change to adapt to the new >form factors which are now hitting the market. Lastly, in many areas we >haven't yet even caught up with our competition. Have you tried using >OpenOffice recently? When I think of Ubuntu, I mean the operating system/gnome desktop rather than the bundled applications. Myself, I never see any crashes, and the only software I cannot find a decent version of is a business-quality accounting program. You are right, Microsoft does not have the atitutude of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and we can see the result in an operating system that gets slower with every release. I use OpenOffice every day and much prefer it to the quicksand-like current version of word and excel, with their tiny usable screen area. Perhaps its flaws are partially the result of having release deadlines set. I understand that new interface configurations are necessary to be added (eg support for touch screens or wii controllers), but I was just asking: do they have to be rushed out on a 6 month schedule? How 'bout some testing time and debugging of current system? I am not trying to offend anyone out there, just posing a legitimate question that came up when reading the original post... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: cairo-dock works again :))
updating to the PPA seems to have fixed the problem.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo-dock/+bug/509419 comment 2 or 3 so the version that ships with karmic is broken, it could probably use an update. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Rene Veerman wrote: > OMG, murphy's law in full effect; 20 seconds after i post this msg, > cairo-dock freezes again at using 1 core 100% all the time.. > > I'll post a bugreport i guess > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Rene Veerman wrote: >> whoever fixed my cairo-dock (glx) with today's karmic auto-updates: thanks! >> > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: cairo-dock works again :))
OMG, murphy's law in full effect; 20 seconds after i post this msg, cairo-dock freezes again at using 1 core 100% all the time.. I'll post a bugreport i guess On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Rene Veerman wrote: > whoever fixed my cairo-dock (glx) with today's karmic auto-updates: thanks! > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
cairo-dock works again :))
whoever fixed my cairo-dock (glx) with today's karmic auto-updates: thanks! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
2010/2/5 Markus Hitter : > Perhaps he's talking about not to introduce a different photo viewer > or instant messenger application every other release. I'm not sure what you mean with this in relation to Ben's message. That's the point why there are releases, and it doesn't necessarily need to be a new application, new major versions of an already present app may introduce regressions or new problems; however, they also add new features, which is why they are introduced. If you don't want the new features, stick to an LTS, if you do, update every six months (and maybe experience some regression or new problem). > And no, Ubuntu with it's applications is nowhere near the stability > of [...] Windows XP. You are kidding, right? Back to the general topic, personally I'm in favor of a rolling release (and I'm currently using Debian Sid on my main laptop), and I could well see it being feasible having several repositories (normal, testing, experimental) plus branching out LTS releases for business users, but that'd be a rather big change in how Ubuntu currently works, and it's basically up to Canonical to take this decision. Cheers, -- Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals (RainCT) Free Software Developer 363DEAE3 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
Am 05.02.2010 um 02:22 schrieb Ben Gamari: > Excerpts from Brett Mahar's message of Thu Feb 04 20:00:19 -0500 2010: >> >> Is it still necessary to even have releases every 6 months? How many >> more new features/changes need to be made to the OS? It seems pretty >> well developed as-is. >> > You are kidding, right? It amazes me that someone would say such a > thing. I can tell you right now that the competition (Apple, and, yes, > even Microsoft) do not have this attitude. While Ubuntu in its current > form is a great distribution, it is by no means perfect and is > certainly > nowhere near a point where we can start considering stagnation. Perhaps he's talking about not to introduce a different photo viewer or instant messenger application every other release. Each switch in software introduces bugs and blasts previous fixes away. Think about those who actually dived into an issue and fixed it with several days of work, just to see this being obsoleted a few weeks later. And no, Ubuntu with it's applications is nowhere near the stability of Mac OS X or Windows XP. It's sometimes more like a find-your-daily- workaround adventure. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fsck stops at boot, how to debug?
Am 05.02.2010 um 09:42 schrieb David MENTRE: > The regular fsck that occurs at the boot of my Ubuntu Karmic x86_64 > machine is stopping (once at 83%, once at 90%). The disk is inactive > (led off). I can reboot the machine through Ctrl+Alt+Del. > > How can I debug such a situation? Boot off a live CD (or another partition) and do the fsck manually. If it still insists to fsck at boot time, hit the Esc key, this should abort checking. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Fsck stops at boot, how to debug?
Hello, The regular fsck that occurs at the boot of my Ubuntu Karmic x86_64 machine is stopping (once at 83%, once at 90%). The disk is inactive (led off). I can reboot the machine through Ctrl+Alt+Del. How can I debug such a situation? Best regards, david -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
