Fwd: Ubuntu.com Download Page
I forgot to forward the mail here, sorry for this. -- Forwarded message -- From: Volkan Gezer Date: 2013/1/25 Subject: Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page To: Dmitrijs Ledkovs 2013/1/25 Dmitrijs Ledkovs : > On 25 January 2013 14:34, Volkan Gezer wrote: >> I think most people don't know that Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Xubuntu >> versions are officially supported by Ubuntu. >> > > This statement is an oxymoron. Ubuntu is officially supported by > Canonical. Kubuntu is officially supported by Blue Systems. > All of them share common hosting / development infrastructure > sponsored by Canonical. But if users download WUBI, they have a chance to pick their favourite Ubuntu distribution. They would not know what the others are since there is no description regarding to others. > >> I highly suggest you telling in download page something like that: >> >> >> "Ubuntu is using Unity desktop environment. >> >> We also have official distributions for KDE, XCFE environments too..." >> > > That would be confusing. Yes, true, but more explanatory links and descriptions can be given. Mine was just an example. >> to give a link to other official Ubuntu distros. You can also add a >> page which users can reach in one click to these distributions and >> comparison. > > We already have this link about derivatives: > > http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives > It is very far away for users that only look for download links except for looking in Project/About Ubuntu/ Derivatives link. Another suggestion is placing a text about the Derivatives page below "Do you want to upgrade? Follow our simple guide" as this maybe also a shortcut -Volkan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu and derivatives (Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page)
On Friday, January 25, 2013 03:13:54 PM Allison Randal wrote: > On 01/25/2013 02:38 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Ubuntu.com is an element of Canonical marketing. Don't be confused into > > thinking it's more than that. > > Each flavor has a dedicated landing page: kubuntu.org, edubuntu.org, > xubuntu.org, ubuntustudio.org, mythbuntu.org, lubuntu.net. The one for > *U*buntu (with *U* for Unity is ubuntu.com. > > The centralized page for the Ubuntu *Project* is wiki.ubuntu.com. This > seems right to me, as it's open for collaborative ownership by all > flavors, all members. It'd be quite appropriate to add a prominent link > from the main page of the wiki to: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives I know all that, but AFAIK there is no one not an employee of Canonical that is involved in decision making about ubuntu.com. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
32bit ISO is incompatible with recent computers (Ubuntu.com Download Page problem)
why does the Ubuntu download page recommend an ISO which fails with recent computers? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/102 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu and derivatives (Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page)
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Allison Randal wrote: > That was meant to be "*U* for Unity ;)", but the winky got lost when I > had to manually retrieve/resend the message. (Mailman isn't as smart as > Launchpad about figuring out messages sent from one of many different > aliases.) Fair enough... now it makes more sense! Also yeah I have that problem sometimes too where I accidentally send from my GMail and Ubuntu is like "nope, not today bud." > The fact is, "Ubuntu" is the name of two distinct things: a project > encompassing many flavors, and one of those flavors. Recognizing which > one you're talking about at any given moment helps immensely. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu and derivatives (Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page)
On 01/25/2013 03:17 PM, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Allison Randal wrote: >> On 01/25/2013 02:38 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> Each flavor has a dedicated landing page: kubuntu.org, edubuntu.org, >> xubuntu.org, ubuntustudio.org, mythbuntu.org, lubuntu.net. The one for >> *U*buntu (with *U* for Unity is ubuntu.com. > > By that flawed and short-sighted logic how do you explain Ubuntu with > a G for GNOME up until a couple of years ago? That was meant to be "*U* for Unity ;)", but the winky got lost when I had to manually retrieve/resend the message. (Mailman isn't as smart as Launchpad about figuring out messages sent from one of many different aliases.) The fact is, "Ubuntu" is the name of two distinct things: a project encompassing many flavors, and one of those flavors. Recognizing which one you're talking about at any given moment helps immensely. Allison -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu and derivatives (Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page)
On 01/25/2013 06:17 PM, Jordon Bedwell wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Allison Randal wrote: On 01/25/2013 02:38 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: Each flavor has a dedicated landing page: kubuntu.org, edubuntu.org, xubuntu.org, ubuntustudio.org, mythbuntu.org, lubuntu.net. The one for *U*buntu (with *U* for Unity is ubuntu.com. By that flawed and short-sighted logic how do you explain Ubuntu with a G for GNOME up until a couple of years ago? Mark Shuttleworth hadn't figured out what direction he wanted to take his megalomania in yet and was biding his time for something disruptive to happen so he could try to usurp GNOME's position. (Honestly, Unity gets criticized, laughed at, and used as a primary example of how Ubuntu is nothing more than a new love child of Microsoft Embrace-Extend-Extinguish and RedHat Not-Invented-Here mentalities. Do you think it would have lasted more than a week if they had rolled that out without major disruptive changes in GNOME a la Gnome-Shell? People jumped ship as-is.) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu and derivatives (Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page)
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Allison Randal wrote: > On 01/25/2013 02:38 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > Each flavor has a dedicated landing page: kubuntu.org, edubuntu.org, > xubuntu.org, ubuntustudio.org, mythbuntu.org, lubuntu.net. The one for > *U*buntu (with *U* for Unity is ubuntu.com. By that flawed and short-sighted logic how do you explain Ubuntu with a G for GNOME up until a couple of years ago? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu and derivatives (Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page)
On 01/25/2013 02:38 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > Ubuntu.com is an element of Canonical marketing. Don't be confused into > thinking it's more than that. Each flavor has a dedicated landing page: kubuntu.org, edubuntu.org, xubuntu.org, ubuntustudio.org, mythbuntu.org, lubuntu.net. The one for *U*buntu (with *U* for Unity is ubuntu.com. The centralized page for the Ubuntu *Project* is wiki.ubuntu.com. This seems right to me, as it's open for collaborative ownership by all flavors, all members. It'd be quite appropriate to add a prominent link from the main page of the wiki to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives Allison -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu and derivatives (Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page)
Ubuntu.com is an element of Canonical marketing. Don't be confused into thinking it's more than that. Scott K On Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:32:44 AM Vesa Paatero wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for you message, Volkan. I also noticed at some point that the > Ubuntu website says surprisingly little about the variants, even the > officially supported variants. I have an Edubuntu installation since > 2007 and I'd appreciate better information as a basis for > decision-making between Ubuntu and Edubuntu and other variants. > > It seems that there is some information about the interrelationship of > variants (or derivatives) but it is not easy to find. Dmitrijs already > brought up the link > http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives and I like how > the page > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives > > presents a classification for the variants: "Official editions", > "Recognized flavors", "Customizations"... with a few words about what > each class is about. > > Whereas the owner(s) of Ubuntu are doing well in allowing the > derivatives/variants to coexist peacefully with Ubuntu, it seems that > they prefer to keep ubuntu.com the home page of exactly Ubuntu rather > than an umbrella for the whole family of derivatives. > > In theory, someone could make e.g. a wiki-styled documentation site > about the essential differences between derivatives, such as what you > can and what you can't install in a given derivative compared to the > main line of development (Ubuntu), but the challenge comes from how > swiftly these things change from release to release. And I'd guess that > most applications can be installed to any derivative, the difference > between derivatives being more about what is installed by default. > > Vesa > > 25.01.2013 16:34, Volkan Gezer wrote: > > I think most people don't know that Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Xubuntu > > versions are officially supported by Ubuntu. > > > > I highly suggest you telling in download page something like that: > > > > > > "Ubuntu is using Unity desktop environment. > > > > We also have official distributions for KDE, XCFE environments > > too..." > > > > to give a link to other official Ubuntu distros. You can also add a > > page which users can reach in one click to these distributions and > > comparison. > > > > -Volkan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ubuntu and derivatives (Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page)
Hi, Thanks for you message, Volkan. I also noticed at some point that the Ubuntu website says surprisingly little about the variants, even the officially supported variants. I have an Edubuntu installation since 2007 and I'd appreciate better information as a basis for decision-making between Ubuntu and Edubuntu and other variants. It seems that there is some information about the interrelationship of variants (or derivatives) but it is not easy to find. Dmitrijs already brought up the link http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives and I like how the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives presents a classification for the variants: "Official editions", "Recognized flavors", "Customizations"... with a few words about what each class is about. Whereas the owner(s) of Ubuntu are doing well in allowing the derivatives/variants to coexist peacefully with Ubuntu, it seems that they prefer to keep ubuntu.com the home page of exactly Ubuntu rather than an umbrella for the whole family of derivatives. In theory, someone could make e.g. a wiki-styled documentation site about the essential differences between derivatives, such as what you can and what you can't install in a given derivative compared to the main line of development (Ubuntu), but the challenge comes from how swiftly these things change from release to release. And I'd guess that most applications can be installed to any derivative, the difference between derivatives being more about what is installed by default. Vesa 25.01.2013 16:34, Volkan Gezer wrote: I think most people don't know that Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Xubuntu versions are officially supported by Ubuntu. I highly suggest you telling in download page something like that: "Ubuntu is using Unity desktop environment. We also have official distributions for KDE, XCFE environments too..." to give a link to other official Ubuntu distros. You can also add a page which users can reach in one click to these distributions and comparison. -Volkan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
libopenal-dev and libglu1-mesa-dev don't support multiarch
Pardon my ignorance, but is there a reason why a lot of these devel packages don't have multiarch support? libopenal-dev for instance has no data diffs between i386 and amd64 yet its missing the "Pre-Depends: multiarch-support" line in the control file of the .deb. This makes cross compiling really annoying when in theory it should "just work". libopenal1 is multi-arch, but of course its the -dev package that setups the symbolic links needed to make things link. Posting to this list because its marked as the "Maintainer" of those particular packages. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Volkan Gezer wrote: > I highly suggest you telling in download page something like that: > > > "Ubuntu is using Unity desktop environment. > > We also have official distributions for KDE, XCFE environments too..." > This would be IMHO to confusing. Normal people don't know what a distribution is or what you mean with 'environments'. Thibaut -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu.com Download Page
On 25 January 2013 14:34, Volkan Gezer wrote: > I think most people don't know that Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Xubuntu > versions are officially supported by Ubuntu. > This statement is an oxymoron. Ubuntu is officially supported by Canonical. Kubuntu is officially supported by Blue Systems. All of them share common hosting / development infrastructure sponsored by Canonical. > I highly suggest you telling in download page something like that: > > > "Ubuntu is using Unity desktop environment. > > We also have official distributions for KDE, XCFE environments too..." > That would be confusing. > to give a link to other official Ubuntu distros. You can also add a > page which users can reach in one click to these distributions and > comparison. We already have this link about derivatives: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives Regards, Dmitrijs. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ubuntu.com Download Page
I think most people don't know that Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Xubuntu versions are officially supported by Ubuntu. I highly suggest you telling in download page something like that: "Ubuntu is using Unity desktop environment. We also have official distributions for KDE, XCFE environments too..." to give a link to other official Ubuntu distros. You can also add a page which users can reach in one click to these distributions and comparison. -Volkan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
