Re: LibreOffice Bugs/failures part 221

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:31:45 +0200, Petter Adsen wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:55:15 -0700 paulwheeler wrote:
>
>> When I click on LibreOffice from the menu or the panel shortcut,
>> NOTHING HAPPENS!  
>
>This is not a support list, and stop shouting.

To emphasize it might be better to write
  _nothing happens._
instead of
  NOTHING HAPPENS!
capital letters easily could be misunderstood. Repeated punctuation
character seems to be caused by a broken keyboard or tremor.

>> My System: Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon 64-bit, Cinnamon version 2.8.8  
>
>This is not a Mint list either.

Indeed, but chances are good that subscribers of
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
are willing to help Mint users, too.

I have to admit that I most of the times dislike people who chose Mint
and ask for support on an Ubuntu mailing list, but I guess the majority
of subscribers have another point of view and have absolutely no
problems with a request from a Mint user. However, this wasn't a
request, it was a complain, so we only could advice to be more careful
with upgrades.

Ubuntu and the Ubuntu based Mint are release model distros, so apart
from security related upgrades not much happens. If there should be an
upgrade for software that is very important for a user, it's good
practise to read news and release notes on the upstream homepage and
maybe not that important, but anyway worth reading, the release notes
of the package, before upgrading. Reading package release notes could
be less interesting for users and also it's not that easy to do before
upgrading, but taking a look at the homepage of upstream, not Debian,
the real upstream of the people who write this software is vital.

Nobody needs to do it for each lib, but for important software this is
something that does help to avoid wasting time with trouble.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: LibreOffice Bugs/failures part 221

[Petter Adsen]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:55:15 -0700
paulwheeler  wrote:

> When I click on LibreOffice from the menu or the panel shortcut,
> NOTHING HAPPENS!

This is not a support list, and stop shouting.

> My System: Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon 64-bit, Cinnamon version 2.8.8

This is not a Mint list either.

Petter

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Re: libreoffice package

[Андрій Шелунцов]

Hello.


> mint-artwork-gnome, mint-meta-cinnamon, mint-meta-core, and mint-themes

None of them is included in Ubuntu.
You should ask this question in http://forums.linuxmint.com/ forum instead.
Thank you for understanding.
Andriy.

2016-07-16 22:48 GMT+02:00 paulwheeler :

> As mentioned in a previous email, I attempted to remove EVERYTHING
> pertaining to libreoffice. Finally, I thought I had removed it all.
>
> However, upon re-installing libreoffice, I found that the default document
> template was the same that I had used yesterday
>
> 1. How is it possible to remove ALL/EVERYTHING pertaining to libreoffice
> and still have a default document template from yesterday?
> 2. How is it possible to install a brand new version of libreoffice
> (1:5.0.3~rc2-0ubuntu1~trusty2 == LO 5.0.3.2) and pick up a template from 4x
> that supposedly was deleted?
> 3. Where is the 'secret' directory that contains this information even
> AFTER libreoffice is supposedly COMPLETELY REMOVED?
>
>
> New Office Version: libreoffice_5.0.3~rc2-0ubuntu1~trusty2_amd64
>
>
> I AGAIN,  tried to remove ALL of libreoffice by telling synaptic to "Mark
> for complete removal" the libreoffice productivity suite (metapackage)
> entry.
>
> AGAIN, it only removed the libreoffice entry!!!
>
> I still have ALL of the other parts of libreoffice installed!!!
>
>
>
> How can this possibly be your definiton of "Mark for complete
> removal"??
>
>
>
>
>
> I AGAIN, clicked all of the libreoffice 'orphans' and said to remove
> completely. This time I was told that mint-artwork-gnome,
> mint-meta-cinnamon, mint-meta-core, and mint-themes were to be removed!!
>
> How can removing libreoffice possibly cause the mint-cinnamon packages to
> be removed???   What gives the libreoffice the authority to delete the
> desktop???
>
>
> I suspect that the 'Linux Mint theme for LibreOffice.org' is the
> culprit!!!   AGAIN, What gives the libreoffice the authority to delete the
> desktop???
>
>
>
> I unmarked that package and told synaptic AGAIN, to remove all the
> libreoffice orphans.
>
>
> AGAIN,  with the damn errors about held packages and other bullshit!!
>
>
> Attempted, AGAIN,to remove everything related to libreoffice.  could not
> remove python3-uno!! when I click apply it says there are broken
> packages~
>
>
> One endless loop after another!!  How can you put out such crap??
>
>
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Re: Libre Office Install/Remove

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:48:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>If you read the release notes for a major release upgrade and assumed
>>nothing regarding this issue was mentioned, the it's the fault of
> then
>>either the package manager
 this should read "packager", but I might be mistaken.
The packager might not need to provide such info by the package's
release notes.
 
>>and upstream.
> or 

Anyway, reading the news and release notes from upstream is important,
if you upgrade _not_ from one dot to another dot release, _but from_
one major release to another major release.


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Re: Libre Office Install/Remove

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:43:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:53:26 -0700, paulwheeler wrote:  
>>I installed this version of libreoffice:
>>1:4.4.3~rc2-0ubuntu1~trusty1
>
>And what version was installed before this version?
>
>Common practise should be, but not always is, that within a major
>release backwards compatibility is granted and even the work-flow
>shouldn't change too much and the config should still work. So at
>least, if the major release does increase, read release notes, either
>of the package and especially from upstream. Most of the times, but not
>always, the major release upgraded software transforms old data and
>configs to new data and configs. The pro, you don't have to do it on
>your own, the con, you might not be able to downgrade the software and
>use the transformed data and config anymore.
>
>IOW, regarding Colin's reply ...
>
>On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:14:25 +0100, Colin Law wrote:  
>>I not that you are not even running Ubuntu.  Why are you not asking
>>this on a Mint list?
>
>I disagree a little bit, you should send a request to upstream adn to  
and
>the packager (Ubuntu packager or Mint packager), assumed you didn't
>miss to read release notes of the package and from upstream, or you
>only upgraded from one dot release to another. If you read the release
>notes for a major release upgrade and assumed nothing regarding this
>issue was mentioned, the it's the fault of either the package manager  
  then
>and upstream. If this issue was mentioned, by release notes for a
>major  
 or  was not
>release upgrade, then complain. If this issue happened from one dot
>release to another, then complain, too.  

If not, then it's your fault ;).

My apologies for the typos.

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Re: Libre Office Install/Remove

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:53:26 -0700, paulwheeler wrote:
>I installed this version of libreoffice: 1:4.4.3~rc2-0ubuntu1~trusty1

And what version was installed before this version?

Common practise should be, but not always is, that within a major
release backwards compatibility is granted and even the work-flow
shouldn't change too much and the config should still work. So at least,
if the major release does increase, read release notes, either of the
package and especially from upstream. Most of the times, but not
always, the major release upgraded software transforms old data and
configs to new data and configs. The pro, you don't have to do it on
your own, the con, you might not be able to downgrade the software and
use the transformed data and config anymore.

IOW, regarding Colin's reply ...

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:14:25 +0100, Colin Law wrote:
>I not that you are not even running Ubuntu.  Why are you not asking
>this on a Mint list?

I disagree a little bit, you should send a request to upstream adn to
the packager (Ubuntu packager or Mint packager), assumed you didn't miss
to read release notes of the package and from upstream, or you only
upgraded from one dot release to another. If you read the release notes
for a major release upgrade and assumed nothing regarding this issue was
mentioned, the it's the fault of either the package manager and
upstream. If this issue was mentioned, by release notes for a major
release upgrade, then complain. If this issue happened from one dot
release to another, then complain, too.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Libre Office Install/Remove

[Colin Law]

On 16 July 2016 at 19:53, paulwheeler  wrote:
>
> However, the joy was short-lived, because I then discovered the libreoffice 
> configuration file was still in the '.config' directory!
>
> .config/libreoffice/4/user
>
>
> Why? How? For what reason?

Because that file was not created by the installer, it was created at
run time by the app.  Synaptic can only remove files created at
install time.  Perhaps you would a complete remove to also remove all
the other files created by libreoffice, such as your documents
themselves.

>
> I installed this version of libreoffice: 1:4.4.3~rc2-0ubuntu1~trusty1
>
> I am running this version of Synaptic: 0.81.2
>
> My System: Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon 64-bit, Cinnamon version 2.6.13, Linux 
> Kernel 3.16.0-38-generic, AMD Phenom II x4 810 Processor x 4 with 8GiB memory

I not that you are not even running Ubuntu.  Why are you not asking
this on a Mint list?

Colin

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LibreOffice Bugs/failures part 221

[paulwheeler]

I used synaptic to remove all evidence of libreoffice from my system

I did a search from "/" as root and found no libreoffice files.  Just for 
paranoia sake and to remove doubt that there is some hidden directory 
containing office.
Nothing found.

I used synaptic to install libreoffice1:5.0.3~rc2-0ubuntu1~trusty2


When I click on LibreOffice from the menu or the panel shortcut, NOTHING 
HAPPENS!


I rebooted my system.


When I click on LibreOffice from the menu or the panel shortcut, NOTHING 
HAPPENS!

ps -A reveal NO process for office



Why does office not run???



My System: Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon 64-bit, Cinnamon version 2.8.8
Linux Kernel 3.16.0-38-generic
AMD Phenom II x4 810 Processor x 4 with 8GiB memory



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Libre Office Install/Remove

[paulwheeler]

The 'Synaptic Package Manager' program cannot remove ALL of LibreOffice, even 
when asked to do so!

I told synaptic to do a COMPLETE REMOVAL OF LIBRE OFFICE.  What I got was the 
LibreOffice office productivity suite (metapackage) went unchecked, but the 
impress, calc, draw, math, base-core, libreoffice-help-en-us, writer, core, 
common, and libreoffice-java-common options were still installed?

How is this possible???  What part of 'COMPLETE REMOVAL' did synaptic not 
understand???


I then went and clicked every remaining 'orphan' and told synaptic to remove 
completely.  Got a blizzard of warnings about 'held' packages, 'broken' 
packages, and other crap. I just told the program to do a COMPLETE REMOVAL. Why 
do I care about your 'held' or 'broken' packages


I Tried again, and voila!  Now the prior messages solved themselves and 
everything I asked to be removed is unmarked.


However, the joy was short-lived, because I then discovered the libreoffice 
configuration file was still in the '.config' directory!

.config/libreoffice/4/user


Why? How? For what reason?



I installed this version of libreoffice: 1:4.4.3~rc2-0ubuntu1~trusty1

I am running this version of Synaptic: 0.81.2

My System: Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon 64-bit, Cinnamon version 2.6.13, Linux 
Kernel 3.16.0-38-generic, AMD Phenom II x4 810 Processor x 4 with 8GiB memory





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Ubuntu 16 Suggestion

[microsoft outlook]

Hello,


I was prompted to setup a "Passphrase" to encrypt the "private folder" on my 
system, after upgrading.  I typed a new passphrase immediately in a terminal 
window that appeared.  It occurred to me that I might have typed the wrong 
passphrase. Ubuntu 16 failed to confirm the "passphrase."  I could have 
accidentally typed the wrong passphrase.  Please investigate.
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