Re: My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Thierry Andriamirado
wrote:
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> Le 11 septembre 2016 21:43:03 UTC+03:00, Ralf Mardorf
> a écrit :
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>>That's entirely true. For users who don't need the user-friendliness
>>provided by Ubuntu there are anyway better distros available to "tune"
>>weak computers more easily. Anyway, for doing this much knowledge is
>>required. The user-friendliness of Ubuntu has got several weak points,
>
> I thought Ubuntu was a good Linux distro and I was happy that "everybody"
> could use it (desktop, education..)
> But if I understand what is happening, do we have to stop pushing Ubuntu to
> users owning old hardwares, and go back to Debian as in the good old day? 5
> years remaining until 2021, and we always hope to use newly acquired
> equipment over 5 years.
>
I did not see a link to a definite discussion that 686 ("i386") will
not be supported any more in future versions.
Once it becomes official, I would consider to start worrying.
For now, there is guaranteed support up to the next five years and it
would be premature to act.
Simos
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Re: My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support
Le 11 septembre 2016 21:43:03 UTC+03:00, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : >That's entirely true. For users who don't need the user-friendliness >provided by Ubuntu there are anyway better distros available to "tune" >weak computers more easily. Anyway, for doing this much knowledge is >required. The user-friendliness of Ubuntu has got several weak points, I thought Ubuntu was a good Linux distro and I was happy that "everybody" could use it (desktop, education..) But if I understand what is happening, do we have to stop pushing Ubuntu to users owning old hardwares, and go back to Debian as in the good old day? 5 years remaining until 2021, and we always hope to use newly acquired equipment over 5 years. >but its importance shouldn't be underestimated, especially, but not >only, for less educated people. The distro's name "Ubuntu" wasn't >chosen >randomly. This word has got a meaning. This word, the name Ubuntu, was one of the reasons I downloaded Ubuntu (maybe) 10 years ago. Eventually, it replaced my Debian boxes one by one, and even a RedHat one and a Mandriva one ;) The name and the fact that its creator was South African, has created in me a lot of hope. Naively, I must say ;) >During this thread somebody mentioned computers somewhere in the bush. Me. >The users of those computers had no chance to participate on the >survey. > >So IMHO the question is a trade-off. The Ubuntu maintainers could >support both 64 bit and 32 bit support in the past and they are still >doing it. By keeping the boats and computers in the bush in mind, is >continuing to drag around this anchor in the future still worth the >effort? > >I had more tendencies to say "no" before this discussion started. I understand that the Ubuntu developers must choose. What is important now is to know that doing advocacy for Linux in developing countries must integrate this 2021 deadline. >During >this discussion my opinion tends more and more to think that 32 bit >support by Ubuntu still is very important. Taking no account that PAE This is my opinion too. Now, if we can not, well.. we can not! ;) We'll see. >What is the borderline requirement for the Ubuntu user target group, >resp. who is this target group? That is now the question. As I have now to adapt my Linux distros advocacies and recommendations. Regards, Thierry -- Envoyé de mon téléphone Android avec K-9 Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 1:43 PM, John Moser wrote: > On Sun, 2016-09-11 at 12:52 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> I've only read a quarter (or less) of the posts in this thread so I >> don't know how it went from "32-bit ISOs are being deprecated" to >> social and economic pseudo-commentary (I can make an educated guess!) >> but do you really think that this is the best use of >> ubuntu-devel-discuss@? > > As much as I enjoy discussing economics, it's really hard to separate > this from political contexts. That's why it was sometimes called political economy. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> do you really think that this is the best use of ubuntu-devel-discuss@? > > Does somebody need 32 bit support? > > Neither it was me who opened this thread, nor do I need 32 bit support > myself. There were just flimsy excuses for dropping 32 bit support, > resp. how to still get 32 bit packages without an ISO and I argue > against those contradictions. It wasn't even me who started this > discussion about poor regions on this planet. > > However, if we care about poor regions on this planet, then such a > discussion is required. Simply because you care about certain regions of the world doesn't mean that Ubuntu does or should. Ubuntu has limited resources. Its developers have decided that their time and skills and Ubuntu's hardware and software assets are better used on something other than 32-bit ISOs. As an Ubuntu user, I applaud this decision because it means, theoretically, that means that the flavor that I'm using will see more TLC. We're back to selfishness :) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
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Re: My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support
hi, Am Sonntag, den 11.09.2016, 19:30 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Tom H wrote: > > > > do you really think that this is the best use of ubuntu-devel- > > discuss@? > Does somebody need 32 bit support? > yes ... as i said in my opening mail, people using proprietary software that only runs in 32bit multiarch (think steam, i don't think there is actually 64bit client). and someone else asked if there are still 32bit boards in production ... yes they are .. in the embedded world they are even very prominent and with snappy ubuntu offers an install image for such devices. snappy as well as multiarch setups base on deb packages from the archive. so 32bit *packages* will not go away any time soon, at least for the above package-sets. also ripping out 32bit builds from debian-installer would be some effort vs. just having it build the netinst and mini.iso 32bit binaries along with the rest, so i guess there will even be an installer (despite not officially supported) i doubt though that we will have supported ubuntu-desktop package sets or fully fledged isos for 32bit in the future. ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
