Re: Ubuntu & Gnome 3.4
Hi Gianfranco, These links should help you with that : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-gnome-version http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/precisely-what-gnome-version-will-be-in-ubuntu-12-04/ Hope this helps, Bilal Akhtar. On Jan 5, 2012 8:42 PM, "Gianfranco Costamagna" < costamagnagianfra...@yahoo.it> wrote: > Sorry for the stupid question: > > Are you really plan to release ubuntu 12.04 without gnome 3.4 in the > official repository? > > I mean, I can understand you prefere unity as default, but IMAO ubuntu > should provide the latest gnome, like it provides the latest kernel > released in the developing process. > > Please don't leave users to search for a ppa/build it themselves, since > this is a bit usability problem, and a regression for bug 1 [1] > > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > Just my 0.02 $ > > Gianfranco > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: GNOME Panel dropped in 11.10
Hello there! As you've said, in Ubuntu 11.10 users will have the option to install GNOME 3 + Shell instead of Unity. One thing to note is that GNOME Panel hasn't died (yet), its still being actively developed as a GNOME Shell fallback for systems with GPUs not being able to run GNOME Shell. GNOME Panel 3 will be in the Ubuntu repositories in 11.10. So what this means for you, is that you will *still* be able to use GNOME Panel 3 in Ubuntu 11.10 and later. All you would need to do is install the gnome-panel package and choose the appropriate session at login. The experience will be very much similar to that of GNOME2. The only differences will be the fact that GNOME Panel looks like [1] as GNOME Developers have made it look and feel as much similar to Shell as possible. FOSS is all about choice. If you dislike Unity, you have a ton other options. But changing DEs doesn't mean changing distros, GNOME Panel (and also Shell if that's what you want) will run perfectly under Ubuntu 11.04, 11.10, 12.04, 12.10, ...... Bilal Akhtar [1] http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/04/13/gnome-panel-is-dead,-long-live-gnome-panel! On Thursday 05 May 2011 08:22 AM, Francis Bolduc wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not certain if I'm writing in the proper mailing list. If it's the > case, kindly direct which one I should express the following concern. > > I've been using Ubuntu since 5.04, so it's been a good 6 years now > that I'm with Ubuntu at home and at work. I chose Ubuntu for my > desktop computers because I'm a software developer and I like to have > updated development tools every 6 months and also because of it's > unsurpassed hardware support. I enjoyed small improvements in > usability that happened over time, such as Compiz (which allowed me to > zoom with the mouse wheel) and the excellent NetworkManager applet. As > you can imagine, I like to keep my interface minimal and text-based (I > don't recognize programs by their icons), so GNOME Panel was perfect > for me because I could remove everything and only keep what I need. > > Yesterday, I upgraded to 11.04 and discovered Unity. At first, I was > at a loss, but I sorted out pretty quickly how it works so you've done > a great job at making it intuitive. However, I found out that it can't > be customized, that is, I can't make it minimal and only keep what I > need. But worst of all, I can't see which applications are currently > running, nor can I switch between them without bringing the > left-side-launcher (don't know what it's called) to view and then > having to scan a big icon column that I don't recognize. At that > point, I realized that Unity was meant for laptop users with > small/touch screens and not for me. So I switched to using the "Ubuntu > Classic" session and everything was fine. > > Then, I started reading about Unity on the web. I found out that in > the next version of Ubuntu, the "Ubuntu Classic" session will be > dropped, leaving me with a choice between Unity and GNOME 3. Not > knowing what GNOME 3 was, I decided to try it that same day. To my > dismay, I realized that GNOME 3 comes with GNOME Shell and it suffers > from the same flaws as Unity (those listed above). Finally, I was > shocked to learn that GNOME 3 will not include the GNOME Panel I like > so much. > > I'm left with this dilemma. Neither Unity nor GNOME Shell fits my > needs. What am I going to do in 6 months? > > Am I missing something or the interface and the workflow I've been > using, and depending on, for the last 6 years is endangered? > > > > References: > > Mark Shuttleworth said: > "we have the Classic desktop fallback in Natty, but will not in Oneiric" > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/739812/comments/5 > > GNOME said: > "the GNOME 3 experience will not include the panel as it was in GNOME 2" > http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3Myths > > -- > Francis Bolduc, B.Sc. > -- Bilal Akhtar - Ubuntu Developer IRC Nick: cdbs signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Congrats on 11.04
On Saturday 30 April 2011 08:47 AM, John Moser wrote: > On 04/29/11 23:11, Deric Stowell wrote: >> My system keeps halting. I guess i completely forgot that i did a PPA >> upgrade. now it all makes sense. >> > > > Yeah, Ubuntu has a habit of playing the same market game as everyone > else (ship an incomplete i.e. broken product, release patches); but same > rules apply regardless: first question is what did you do, and after > that you can blame the product for being crap. FYI the full GNOME3 stack is in the PPA. I've been using it a lot, and have also helped other users with problems related to it. Its very much stable, and my system never halted. Probably if you elaborated on your problems rather than pointlessly bashed away at Canonical, I'd have helped you. All I can do now is to point you out to [1]. Speaking of the GNOME/Canonical split over GNOME Shell, it was because Canonical had envisaged a proper vision for Ubuntu, and GNOME Shell was something which was just the way Canonical *didn't* want Ubuntu to become. Hence the split. From many experiences with my family members, I've found out that casual Windows users and other non-techy users highly prefer Unity. Its easy to use, faster, and doesn't come in the way. Such users are confused by the look of GNOME Shell (My lappy was running Fedora when my sister was using it). Ubuntu aims at non-techy former Windows and Mac users. Would GNOME Shell suit such a scenario? Probably not. If you want to use GNOME Shell on Ubuntu, then I'd recommend you to 1) use the PPA or 2) wait until Ubuntu 11.10 comes out, then GNOME3 will be officially supported to run on Ubuntu. Why GNOME3 didn't make it to 11.04 is a different story. There are a handful of Ubuntu Desktop developers who had to focus on Unity work. It would be difficult for Unity to be made on then-unstable GNOME3 libraries and it would have been equally difficult for Desktop developers to focus on both unity and GNOME3. Hence the decision was made, to put up GNOME3 packages in a PPA for testers and ship Unity on top of GNOME2. The GNOME3 transitions were postponed to 11.10, when all GNOME3 packages would be in the official repos and Unity will also run on GNOME3. Bilal Akhtar [1] http://ubunturocking.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/gnome3-on-ubuntu-using-the-ppa/ > >> Thanks!! >> >> Deric Stowell >> Technology Consultant >> http://sandyeggoboy.net <http://sandyeggoboy.net/>"/> >> My profiles: Facebook <http://facebook.com/Deric.Stowell>Google >> <http://google.com/dericnsd>WordPress >> <http://sandyeggoboy.net/>Twitter <http://twitter.com/sandyeggoboy> >> Signature powered by WiseStamp <http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:42 PM, John Moser > <mailto:john.r.mo...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> On 04/29/11 22:33, Martin Owens wrote: >> >> On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 21:11 -0400, John Moser wrote: >> >> The Gnome developers are also upset at Canonical. No idea >> why. >> >> It's because Canonical only ate their ice cream cone and >> wouldn't eat >> their ice cream. I remember when Gnome developers* built a >> rocket and >> visited the moon, brought back a whole ton of cheese. >> >> I tell you one thing that'll stop people using Unity... if it >> doesn't >> actually work. Hardware issues are a lot more pressing that design >> issues, especially now that the design is much more demanding >> on the >> hardware. >> >> >> Maybe, although there's a lot of press going on about this. >> People have been critical about Ubuntu doing things they didn't >> like before, though, and eventually they just eat it. >> >> Significantly this time, I've found several issues that make me >> worry that Ubuntu might get away with squashing Gnome-shell: >> >> - I've played with both back and forth now for a while, and >> Gnome-Shell is clearly better; people on-line are telling me the >> same thing. Still, both are leaving me confused as to where a lot >> of settings went (mostly, the appearance-related theming stuff; is >> everything now going to be dark colors and blues like some cheap >> sci-fi flick?), and both have a learning curve. Unity seems to >> have no distinction between running applications and applications >> you can run, which ... honestly just makes me want to find the >> smart phone company that the Ubuntu Developers are worki
Re: Mainstream Developers Repository
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Assalam alaikum Usama, This is a good idea. But I think backports and GetDeb [1] are implementing something that is close to this? [1] http://www.getdeb.net/ Bilal Akhtar. On 10/28/2010 07:02 AM, Usama Akkad wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to know your opinion on an Idea of having (Mainstream > Developers Repository) please read the draft wiki page on this subject > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/damascene/Decentralized%20Ubuntu%20Repository > > Sometimes user need to get the latest version of a software but he/she > will have to add every Launchpad PPA manually. > > Regards, > > Usama Akkad > https://launchpad.net/~damascene > > > - -- Bilal Akhtar - Ubuntu Developer, yet still 14 years old. More information about him can be found on https://edge.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar IRC nick: bilalakhtar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMyQtOAAoJENsMxwzgYeH2hLsH/jzGxdfaiKOqXlAWVx62r23e /UjqZBsVIgrZgsipD2Pfw07oRn7M4vp+K8QA7aUdJCL6r5RdvpQszNxWMbQ1r92h xizEp48VYU3oOWOoxV/u21rWUXsxbXmiPxZFb3FOHjMU13z5y0ydVWxbbzQOpjtp nFjTLwkJTiiGYmayeCwdN8CakOZO/x/nfopDQea2GKxXK1eT3O3mX2QRffWgogKz DAg02jY+QT/vG1jRRSagd2MZABMQCw2UP0ZNXnwRR0aRUbGpXw9q+1HZ8TUKeDKI TAi60ZvLxjj166DSYTCiVzDOTI9BzVPuUzCxiNNKdcjI7DH+mbpgjRonq5YWTno= =mzR5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Launchpad Maps
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 00:09 -0400, Dan Trevino wrote: > Does anyone know when the team maps left launchpad? > > https://launchpad.net/~launchpad/+map > https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/624981 > Dan > --- > Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Open Standards! > signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Twitter shutting down basic auth; Need to get liboauth into Ubuntu
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 14:04 +0200, Cosme Domínguez Díaz wrote: > Direct link, please? > http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=liboauth signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Twitter shutting down basic auth; Need to get liboauth into Ubuntu
Hello all! As we all know, Twitter has shut down basic auth for all Twitter clients. Developers will need to use OAuth to authenticate with Twitter's API. The problem here is, there is no OAuth library in C in Ubuntu right now, but there is a need by many Twitter clients to get one into Ubuntu. There is one OAuth library in C (libOAuth) that has been awaiting sponsorship for a long time in Debian (I have been poking sponsors around, most of them are busy). I think it would be quicker if I get it into Ubuntu through the (lonely) REVU process. In any case, I would need an FFe and also a UIFe. Which road should I take to get this one quickly into Ubuntu? The package is completely ready (lintian clean and stuff) on mentors.debian.net. It is also there on REVU, but that is very much outdated. Bilal Akhtar. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ubuntu Branch reviewers
Hi all, I think it would be a *lot* better to set the reviewer of all ubuntu branches to ubuntu-sponsors. This would prevent confusion among people who wish to fix bugs in Ubuntu or merge packages. Such people propose a merge and the value of reviewer is set to ubuntu-branches, while, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix and others, the reviewer should be ubuntu-sponsors. A merge proposal that has this mistake is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~joel-auterson/ubuntu/maverick/shotwell/menu_rename/+merge/28598 where I had to comment in order to get this change done. What are your opinions? Cheers, Bilal Akhtar signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
