Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
Seeing as this isn't dying anytime soon I'll jump in. Freeing them from what, learning? Granted, the average user isn't interested in learning but they would be free to reject the opportunity if they so chose. *That's* freedom. There is nothing - *nothing* that is stopping anyone from installing whatever they want on Ubuntu. Canonical are doing the *smart* engineering decision and officially supports *one* tool that gets the job done. And the few people that disagree with the tool are more than welcome to hop on the servers graciously hosted by Canonical to download other tools. I'm shocked that people get their panties in a bunch over this 'give me more choice!' issue since, as stated before, *one* default program that gets the job done has always been an Ubuntu policy. I had dumped Ubuntu and gone back to Debian, mostly because of Marvelous Mark's autocratic attitude. Just recently decided to try Ubuntu again to see what had changed. After reading the attitude that, at least, some of the devs display here about determining for the user what's best for him/her, I guess I'll settle in with Debian and just lurk on this list. So what do you want in an OS? A 16-DVD installer of Ubuntu so that everyone will be just so happy that we have every single program ever installed? God forbid we deprive those poor souls of choice. Let's ask if they want auto-fsck enabled, or automount (because some users won't want their USB drives automounted, how uncivilized!). I'm shocked that people can have this kind of though-process. People just want to use their goddamn computers - even something as simple as 'what search engine would you like to use?' distracts and complicates the computing experience - Just look at Windows. Watch users get so confused when Windows has eight million dialogues asking users what they want to do. There's a delicate balance between KDE's option's-galore-insanity and Gnome's brink-of-stupidity-simplifications. And Ubuntu's currently the only OS that is sane enough to *mostly* see this balance (sadly, they're still pulled back by Gnome's methodical destruction of their frameworks). FYI, I'm not a Canonical member nor an Ubuntu member, so don't take my words as official. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 04:01 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Who removed your choice? Defaults are simply opinions, not rules. Install your divergent choices, and be happy. I have to really emphasize, especially as I was the topic creator, that I was discussing the possibility of replacing apt-get with aptitude. My reasonings were on false data and misunderstandings of certain inner workings. This is not about adding aptitude back to be side-by-side - though my wording might have been better. Remember that people got really upset when control-alt-backspace was disabled by default. Remember, we all have the option to run what we want - the things that are truly (horribly) locked into our systems are things like the piece of crap that is plymouth. Those are the things that we really have no choice on and that should be fought against. But having all these choices as defaults truly doesn't make any sense. Nothing is stopping someone from apt-get-ting aptitude or synaptic. It makes no sense for most users to use anything but apt-get (it does what most people want and duplication of efforts really does add more testing necessities that could be better spent elsewhere). This has been blown way out of proportion - please ignore the trollish comment of discouraging CLI usage. This was only ever about replacing a default program with another one. And that has been identified as hard-to-do with no real benefits. Life goes on after: sudo apt-get install aptitude vim emacs gnome-shell kubuntu-desktop compizconfig-manager etc etc etc whatever you want. Cheers guys, I didn't mean for this to blow out of proportion so hard. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 12:57 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: It was never meant as a successor. My mistake. "endorsed by the community" - not true. I'm a Debian Developer and Ubuntu Core Dev and I don't endorse either aptitude nor apt-get. Well, I'm going by the goddamn page that's been there for years - forgive me if Debian fucked up their wiki. It clearly says that aptitude is the recommended program. What do you mean by "stable"? It didn't support multi-arch well for a long time, which is a flagship feature for Ubuntu for many releases now. many releases meaning two? It's only been here since 12.04. If anything, it's aptitude which is less feature-rich =) Space on the CD is still a reason for not including duplicate functionality. What CD? You still did not address how to fix the reverse dependencies which rely on apt-get. Because I bowed my head. I understand. I understand. It's not a good idea. It won't work. It won't work. It's not a good idea. I understand. Thank you. Thank you. Get on with your daily lives. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 12:53 PM, Riccardo Padovani wrote: On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Brett Cornwall wrote: On 04/09/2013 12:40 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: It is in no way a successor to apt. I did _not say_ it was a successor to apt. Forget I ever brought anything up. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Brett Cornwall wrote: Because aptitude is the successor to apt-get Forgive me, I thought someone implied that I was suggesting that aptitude was somehow a replacement to the apt package management system in its entirety -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 12:54 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Debian endorsements or discouragements for aptitude are not very relevant for what ubuntu should ship by default on ubuntu desktop. And apt-get is the default upgrade tool in debian. [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages We cannot replace apt-get easily on the Ubuntu Desktop as it's a reverse dependency for software-centre/aptdaemon/software scope. Thus "apt-get" in ubuntu desktop, is merely a by product of being used as a reliable resolver, which good user interface and experiences are build on top. Thank you for a good explanation. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 12:45 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote: Forget it - forget it. One could have said that all of Ubuntu's software depended on apt-get from the get-go. But instead I get a barrage of messages of people just telling me that my thought was stupid. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 12:40 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: It is in no way a successor to apt. I did _not say_ it was a successor to apt. Forget I ever brought anything up. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
It is consistent to the dumbing down of our society, which is not necessarily a bad thing. All modern cars are built for "idiots" to use. If these same "idiots" think they know how to use a computer (as they think that they are really drivers) then there is some overall benefit. The prices of computers and the internet are as low as they are because so many otherwise incapacitated users buy them. If Bill Gates hadn't been a complete idiot about software, the machines we get for $300 today may have never come into existence... Personally, I look forward to the day of the return of the 24x80 CRT... but know I am in the minority.. for me the GUI is only something that gets in the way of me being productive. I was not arguing any of these cases - I was simply trying to argue for replacing one tool for a better one. I'm so sorry that I bother to even try - only one person has approached this with any sort of helpfulness with a nice link to an ongoing discussion of the sort - the rest have been assholes. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 12:19 PM, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote: This is actually being debated over on debian-devel as we type. So some piece of text from the Debian FAQ that simply hasn't been updated in a long time doesn't trump anything. So the reason for not even considering this as an option is because someone has decided to spark conversation against recommending aptitude after it's been recommended for years? That's not very good logic. Thank you for the thread. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 12:17 PM, Alexandre Strube wrote: Why? Because aptitude is the successor to apt-get, endorsed by the community that does all the packaging for this OS, is more stable, and has better dependency handling (indeed, promotes better dependency setting). It makes no sense to keep a less feature-rich and complete tool that has long been replaced. Space on the CD was the original reason (along with some canonical employee saying it was 'too complex' for some reason) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 11:57 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote: ranting wont get you anywhere ... That wasn't my intention. aptitude is not the recommended tool in ubuntu and never was (at least in the 9 years i work on ubuntu) ... if it is recommended anywhere that is definitely wrong and this recommendation should be adjusted to apt-get. Please read the previous messages. I did not say in Ubuntu, I said in _Debian_. I'm trying to get it changed in Ubuntu. And are you seriously suggesting that _Ubuntu_ ask Debian to adjust the endorsed management tools? you could as well rant about the fact that we dont include dselect by default ... both are debian tools that arent used in an ubuntu default installation ... I am arguing replacement of apt-get with aptitude, not about including an arbitrary package for the hell of it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 08:21 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Maybe I was not very explicit - all console applications are "niche" on the Ubuntu (gui) Desktop. And vice versa, gui-desktop applications are nice on the Ubuntu (console) Server. We have aptitude seeded where console is the default interface. On ubuntu-desktop the default interface is unity with preferred package management using: - dash application scope - software updater - software center Depending on the use-case/goal one uses one or combination of above. I don't understand - why don't we just remove apt-get and make users install via the software center? Why not add-apt-repository, scp, top? My suggestion was just to add aptitude because it's the recommended package-management tool from the community that basically makes all the packages possible for this project. So the drawbacks of including aptitude seem to be: 1) It takes up 2 MB of space 2) Dependency resolution might have to actually be tested (instead of making every stupid package just depend on ubuntu-desktop or xorg?). ;) On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of command line =) as there is no need for that for non-developers. I see, so an OS for 'everyone' shouldn't even have gnome-terminal installed at all - make people switch to a VT (and why hasn't that been disabled by default? I'd bet my life savings that every user has accidentally hit CTRL+ALT+F1 at least once on their Ubuntu use - now THAT'S an issue to really actively prevent). There are some strange priorities set based on these phobias. Again, I'm not suggesting an arbitrary specialized tool like vim/emacs get included, I'm suggesting the addition of the endorsed CLI package management tool from the Debian project be included. So if the project were to (understandably) want to include only one CLI tool to use, why not aptitude? As stated, it's already officially supported on ubuntu-server, why not include it on ubuntu-desktop and drop apt-get to reduce a package to have to officially support? And who said I was a developer? I'd only be so lucky to be able to claim that title. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
In revisions past, Ubuntu's CDs did not have enough space to accommodate aptitude and apt-get. Now that we have moved on to DVDs I feel it would be a worthy investment to include aptitude by default, especially since it is Debian's 'proper' package management tool. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Subject: default screen-saver : why not energy efficient ?
>the cost of the energy will increase in the coming years (what ever the primary source is) >I think that Ubuntu should set the blank screen as default screensaver for all its flavour (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu netbook edition, ...). This is a good idea, however it will not save nearly as much energy as keeping the OS small and efficient, thus avoiding the need for users to buy new computers every few years :-) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution & Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
> Ubuntu has been bitten by upgrading to new versions which were rewritten > in the past and we have learnt, the decision has been made to stay on a > version which is not perfect but that we know about rather running to > use a rewrite in the risk of being stucked with something not ready > quality and feature wise for a lts. >As someone who is now running Lucid Alpha 3 >on some production servers >because I absolutely need some features of >programs that have been >updated in the last 1.5 years and Karmic is a >largely an unusable >disaster, I can see both sides of this >argument. Why not just install the latest versions yourself using .deb packages, and forget about the repositories? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Indie Software Dev
>There's a plan for that. >Would you put $200 in to the hat if you also >set up the hat and drummed >up other people's interest? Am moving back to my hometown in a few weeks, and was thinking of getting in touch with the local university, see if we could get some of the comp sci kids interested. I am an accountant, so while the FOSS stuff already out may be fine for point-of-sale or home use, it does not really cut it when compared to Quickbooks, MYOB, etc. Anyone else into this idea (accounting software for linux), let me know! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Indie Software Dev
>I'm launching a commercial software business. >I'm targeting the Mac right >now, but I am >curious to find out how this would be received >by the Linux >community. I have an ongoing >conversation with a friend of mine about this, >>and I think that the free and open culture >surrounding Linux would mean that >there is no >market for an indie dev to go after. He thinks >that the market >is here, am I wrong? >Would anyone buy a $20 app on Linux? I would buy a $500 app if someone wrote a decent accounting program :-) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
> well developed as-is. > >You are kidding, right? It amazes me that someone would say such a >thing. I can tell you right now that the competition (Apple, and, yes, >even Microsoft) do not have this attitude. While Ubuntu in its current >form is a great distribution, it is by no means perfect and is certainly >nowhere near a point where we can start considering stagnation. With the >spread of constant internet connectivity, the potential for innovation >is endless. Moreover, user interfaces need to change to adapt to the new >form factors which are now hitting the market. Lastly, in many areas we >haven't yet even caught up with our competition. Have you tried using >OpenOffice recently? When I think of Ubuntu, I mean the operating system/gnome desktop rather than the bundled applications. Myself, I never see any crashes, and the only software I cannot find a decent version of is a business-quality accounting program. You are right, Microsoft does not have the atitutude of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and we can see the result in an operating system that gets slower with every release. I use OpenOffice every day and much prefer it to the quicksand-like current version of word and excel, with their tiny usable screen area. Perhaps its flaws are partially the result of having release deadlines set. I understand that new interface configurations are necessary to be added (eg support for touch screens or wii controllers), but I was just asking: do they have to be rushed out on a 6 month schedule? How 'bout some testing time and debugging of current system? I am not trying to offend anyone out there, just posing a legitimate question that came up when reading the original post... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
Nowadays Ubuntu has to support 4 releases at a time (8.04,8.10,9.04 and 9.10) and as result of that some issues aren't solved as quickly as it could. Having a LTS (Desktop and Server) with periodical releases and a Ubuntu for human beans ;) could be interesting. Is it still necessary to even have releases every 6 months? How many more new features/changes need to be made to the OS? It seems pretty well developed as-is. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Dual Core CPU not seen after an upgrade to Karmic
> After an upgrade of my dual core AMD 4050e machine to Karmic, the > second core is no longer seen (/proc/cpuinfo shows only one CPU). I > have never seen this issue with Jaunty. I recently bought an eMachines desktop with an Athlon X2 5050e dual core processor. I installed Ubuntu 64bit (9.10 Karmic) and it runs on dual cores with no adjustments necessary. Brett. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removing Ubuntu releases, just Ubuntu (Aitor Pazos)
>At this point I > think Google's approach with ChromeOS is something interesting. There > are not different versions of ChromeOS. If you have ChromeOS installed > you will always have the latest software installed. I think google's approach is a terrible idea, as I hate the intrusivness of automatic updates. What if I like the old version better or something in a new release is not compatable with my computer? Also this encourages bloatware, as new versions are almost never smaller than old versions. And what is the point of switching from Windows to Linux if we hand over our machines to some faceless people on the other side of the world? (no offense meant, Ubuntu and Goolge people!) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars
I'm simply frustrated with Ubuntu's lack of contrast on the side bar. It's hard to see where the actual scrollbar is compared to the background when its held against a black monitor. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Odysseus Flappington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like it. If I understand it correctly, instead of having to find the > actual bar, you can left-click anywhere on the scrollbar area, and move the > scrollbar up and down as if you actually clicking on the scrollbar. > > I couldn't actually figure out how to install it though.. if you put it in > the next alpha I'll test it to get a feel and tell you what I think :P > > Hey, if it is actually even the tiniest bit more user-friendly that what we > currently have, which I have to admit I've been frustrated with before, > everyone will scream Ubuntu's innovation.. > > Alex > > > On 15/08/2008, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 15:01 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: >> >> > It would be an interesting thing to test. I wonder how difficult it >> > would be to modify a few apps to use that method, so that we can try >> > it out and get our friends/family to try it out as well. >> >> I as the author would love to see that happening. >> >> Although I still haven't gotten around to finishing a modification where >> a click-hold will result in page-wise stepping. >> >> >> >> -- >> Thorsten Wilms >> >> thorwil's design for free software: >> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-desktop mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > > -- Brett Alton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you really need to print this email? Help preserve our environment! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Call for testing empathy
I would personally be worried switching from one program to the next all the time. A little while back Gaim was renamed to Pidgin, which I'm sure confused a couple users. Although they were the exact same program, it would have taken a couple minutes (or even a half an hour on the Internet for some users) to figure this out. Now we'll be switching to Empathy, which although it has the purple backend, has a different front-end than Pidgin. I think it is great that an instant messaging program is included in Gnome, but I'd be worried about such a change when the program is still in beta (or gamma) stage. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Danny Piccirillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think Empathy is perfectly stable at this point, but doesn't have quite as > many features as pidgin (file transfers and meta-contacts although file > transfers should be ready really soon). It makes up for it with other things > though. Voice and video, it does support all the protocols pidgin does, > better integration, and the missing features are not far away. I've been > using it exclusively for the past couple months and i don't think i could > switch back. I think including this in Ubuntu now will lead to a better > Ubuntu sooner (for those that are worried it isn't quite ready yet). I mean, > Empathy works great as a multi-protocol char client (in my opinion) and i > don't think any more users will be put off by it than by pidgin. People who > like pidgin better can still easily install it. Sure, they can do that with > Empathy, but including it is moving towards a better desktop faster. It will > get integrated at some point, and i think it would be better in the long > term to do that now (i also think it would be better in the short term but > hopefully those that don't think so can at least agree on this). > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Luke L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Here's my other thought: I personally don't have Intrepid to test this >> software out. Hardy doesn't have a functioning version (without going into >> PPA and manual setup, which is not what most people will do). Jumping >> straight into having it replace Pidgin might be hasty. Consider getting a >> stable program in the OS for a release before making it default. >> >> I am admittedly ignorant as to how stable Empathy and its extensions are. >> Since several others and myself have never /heard/ of it before, I assume >> it's a relatively new project. >> >> -- >> Luke L. >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss >> > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > > -- Brett Alton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you really need to print this email? Help preserve our environment! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The Harvest Season has started!
Although I love this concept in theory, I have a couple problems with the execution: 1) The user can not sort data in a way he chooses, it is rather hard-programmed 2) The user can not modify the points system, which doesn't need to be a must, but the point system should seperate more, shouldn't it? Having critical bugs set at 5 point, wishlist set at 1, etc. Right now, there seems to be only a couple categories (-500,-200,0,etc.) 3) The user can not search for specific packages (all of them that start with 'A', all of them that have at least one critical bug, etc.) I think it is great start, but more needs to be added to make it truly useful. On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Daniel Holbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello everybody, > > I'm pleased to announce Harvest! > > Check out http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/ - it's the successor to > "really-fix-it", much more improved, more extensible, just a lot better. > > Its aims are: > * Make finding opportunities among all packages easy. > * Figure out which packages are in a good shape and which are not. > (Notice the "Score".) > * Easily extensible. > * Lots of different views (planned). > * One place to get information of lists that are scattered around right > now. > > Read more about it at http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=139 > > Its preliminary home is http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest and will move to > qa.ubuntu.com after my holidays! > > Enjoy it and make good use of it! > > Have a great time, > Daniel > > - -- > My 5 today: #247406 (apt-cacher-ng), #193109 (sysklogd), #247451 > (safe-rm), #246755 (transcode), #247358 (inspircd) > Do 5 a day - every day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFId2p3RjrlnQWd1esRAq7nAJ90CeJMxFnQF6nRbB7r2untIHswoACeNLjL > RjpG8btkjUp8JLPFcf/YiUA= > =RRI7 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce > -- Brett Alton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you really need to print this email? Help preserve our environment! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
