Re: User Interface Congruence
Hopefully, some of these changes are met and I worry sometimes that Ubuntu will look even sloppier once it completely stops using Gnome. Will Ubuntu move to only using Gtk 3 applications? What about all the Launchpad user contributions? Check out this discussion: Thoughts on Gtk Qt and convergance <http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/thoughts-on-gtk-qt-and-convergance/531/5> On 09/11/2016 05:22 PM, Jason Benjamin wrote: QT -- Unless you include themes (example) with Ubuntu: http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/?section=&global=1&q=kde+ambiance+theme http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/?section=&global=1&q=kde+radiance+theme&offset=0 On 09/06/2016 02:16 PM, Jason Benjamin wrote: BUMP. Okay, overlay scrollbars can be turned off with deconf, but Qt still doesn't match the theme. I made a similar post here one time, with no answer: ubuntuforums.org <https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2248622&p=13144512#post13144512> Apparently it could be a lot of themes, but I found this link: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1518404#p1518404 On 09/03/2016 10:31 AM, Jason Benjamin wrote: After testing Ubuntu Xenial Xerus, I'd wanted to check out how Gtk 3 interfaces blend with the other desktop libraries in the software repositories. I was very let down. Gtk 2 interfaces still use overlay scrollbars which noticeably clash with the Gtk 3 applications. LibreOffice draws with Swing using a Gtk 2 style, which looks bad too. This can be changed to Gtk 3 using Synaptic, but the some of the icon controls are obscured by the dark color of the default theme. Eclipse, which is written in SWT, uses Gtk 2 also, even though it's been Gtk 3 capable for a good amount of time. WxWidgets is compiled for Gtk 2, even though it can be compiled for Gtk 3 support. Qt whatever the version is, is not themed like the Gtk interfaces at all. The operating system I'm using right now is Kubuntu, and this kind of incongruence is virtually unnoticeable. -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Murray Hopper -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Murray Hopper -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Murray Hopper -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: User Interface Congruence
QT -- Unless you include themes (example) with Ubuntu: http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/?section=&global=1&q=kde+ambiance+theme http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/?section=&global=1&q=kde+radiance+theme&offset=0 On 09/06/2016 02:16 PM, Jason Benjamin wrote: BUMP. Okay, overlay scrollbars can be turned off with deconf, but Qt still doesn't match the theme. I made a similar post here one time, with no answer: ubuntuforums.org <https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2248622&p=13144512#post13144512> Apparently it could be a lot of themes, but I found this link: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1518404#p1518404 On 09/03/2016 10:31 AM, Jason Benjamin wrote: After testing Ubuntu Xenial Xerus, I'd wanted to check out how Gtk 3 interfaces blend with the other desktop libraries in the software repositories. I was very let down. Gtk 2 interfaces still use overlay scrollbars which noticeably clash with the Gtk 3 applications. LibreOffice draws with Swing using a Gtk 2 style, which looks bad too. This can be changed to Gtk 3 using Synaptic, but the some of the icon controls are obscured by the dark color of the default theme. Eclipse, which is written in SWT, uses Gtk 2 also, even though it's been Gtk 3 capable for a good amount of time. WxWidgets is compiled for Gtk 2, even though it can be compiled for Gtk 3 support. Qt whatever the version is, is not themed like the Gtk interfaces at all. The operating system I'm using right now is Kubuntu, and this kind of incongruence is virtually unnoticeable. -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Murray Hopper -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Murray Hopper -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: User Interface Congruence
BUMP. Okay, overlay scrollbars can be turned off with deconf, but Qt still doesn't match the theme. I made a similar post here one time, with no answer: ubuntuforums.org <https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2248622&p=13144512#post13144512> Apparently it could be a lot of themes, but I found this link: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1518404#p1518404 On 09/03/2016 10:31 AM, Jason Benjamin wrote: After testing Ubuntu Xenial Xerus, I'd wanted to check out how Gtk 3 interfaces blend with the other desktop libraries in the software repositories. I was very let down. Gtk 2 interfaces still use overlay scrollbars which noticeably clash with the Gtk 3 applications. LibreOffice draws with Swing using a Gtk 2 style, which looks bad too. This can be changed to Gtk 3 using Synaptic, but the some of the icon controls are obscured by the dark color of the default theme. Eclipse, which is written in SWT, uses Gtk 2 also, even though it's been Gtk 3 capable for a good amount of time. WxWidgets is compiled for Gtk 2, even though it can be compiled for Gtk 3 support. Qt whatever the version is, is not themed like the Gtk interfaces at all. The operating system I'm using right now is Kubuntu, and this kind of incongruence is virtually unnoticeable. -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Murray Hopper -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
User Interface Congruence
After testing Ubuntu Xenial Xerus, I'd wanted to check out how Gtk 3 interfaces blend with the other desktop libraries in the software repositories. I was very let down. Gtk 2 interfaces still use overlay scrollbars which noticeably clash with the Gtk 3 applications. LibreOffice draws with Swing using a Gtk 2 style, which looks bad too. This can be changed to Gtk 3 using Synaptic, but the some of the icon controls are obscured by the dark color of the default theme. Eclipse, which is written in SWT, uses Gtk 2 also, even though it's been Gtk 3 capable for a good amount of time. WxWidgets is compiled for Gtk 2, even though it can be compiled for Gtk 3 support. Qt whatever the version is, is not themed like the Gtk interfaces at all. The operating system I'm using right now is Kubuntu, and this kind of incongruence is virtually unnoticeable. -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Murray Hopper -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: youtube-dl package is very outdated
There is also a frontend with youtube-dl builtin called youtube-dlg installable with a ppa: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/multi-platform-youtube-dl-gui-youtube.html (blog) On 09/03/2016 09:31 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: http://askubuntu.com/questions/151283/why-dont-the-ubuntu-repositories-have-the-latest-versions-of-software#151304 If you want/need a newer version of youtube-dl, you could: 1) Download the script manually from their website. 2) Install it with pip. 3) See if Debian unstable or experimental has a newer version and try that. All on your own risk, of course. Petter -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Murray Hopper -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Suggestion for later versions of Unity
I think would ruin the unique style of the Unity interface. There are lots of other desktops that support right oriented UIs. I am surprised enough that tiling made it into the window manager used with Unity (this is a feature popular with older [read more advanced] window managers). Not only that, but many people are used to the panel tray being on the right side. Every Linux desktop has its own original features when it comes to the window manager close...maximize buttons. Elementary for example has only close and maximize buttons (one on each side). KDE has pins, etc... On 08/04/2016 09:13 AM, MathUHenry wrote: I would like to suggest the following tweak for future versions of Unity: My only annoyance with Unity is that the close/minimize/maximize buttons of a full-screen window is tucked behind the launcher. This is an eye-sore and it places the close button directly next to the launcher, causing windows to frequently be unintentionally closed.  Please run the launcher bar all the way to the top (looks cleaner) and separate the close button to the right-side of the bar. This isolates the close button from everything else so it won't be hit on accident. For full-screen windows, put the close button to the right of the system toolbar. To access the toolbar, I can click anywhere on the toolbar and go to the item of interest. To close the window, I can just jam the pointer to the corner. This arrangement prevents any accidental proximity clicks from having negative consequences and I believe it looks much cleaner. -- [Corporate programming] is often done to the point where the individual is completely submerged in corporate "culture" with no outlet for unique talents and skills. Corporate practices can be directly hostile to individuals with exceptional skills and initiative in technical matters. I consider such management of technical people cruel and wasteful. -- Bjarne Stroustrup -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: 2+ video cards should work as well in Ubuntu as Windows
Hopefully this is addressed (or has already been addressed) with Mir. On 08/05/2016 10:33 AM, Harry Coin wrote: In a regression in recent years, Linux has failed to keep a feature well supported by its own earlier versions and all the various Windows OSen: to simulate one large display as well with two or three possibly dissimilar graphics cards as it does with one card with two or three or more outputs. The cost of graphics cards with many outputs comes at a great price and performance hit over more cards with fewer outputs. This is becoming particularly pressing now that processors support on-die graphics adapters in addition to PCI express graphics slots supporting video adapters which almost never have the same architecture as the on-die graphics. The arrival of pre-supposed support for compositing has ended the use of Xinerama, which at one time was the approach to this problem. Many will be quick to note xrandr is 'the new way'. For graphics cards hosting on the same card enough outputs for the entire system, it works (though I've yet to find a linux system on which dragging monitor icons when there are 3+ around the display configurator works). The command line interface for xrandr is, well, its own entire body of obscure knowledge. No real comparison to the simple Windows display dragging and sizing GUI. As a work around, because try though I did for days of searching and attempting solutions to make it work all-Ubuntu: I'm forced to use a Windows front end which does a flawless job with two low/mid-market graphics cards acting as an X server to a headless Ubuntu back-end. It's ugly. But without it no work happens. All because Ubuntu can't manage more than one graphics card forming a large simulated single display as once it did. Indeed there are vendor specific expensive workarounds: Nvidia's SLI + base Mosaic, Radeon / Quadro multi-headed 'whole paycheck' graphics cards, etc. but Ubuntu shouldn't rely on such things when others do so well with what was installed-- over against Ubuntu upgrades that render a previously working system broken. I urge whoever it is that sets goals in these matters to consider this. Thanks for reading! Harry G Coin Bettendorf, Iowa -- [Corporate programming] is often done to the point where the individual is completely submerged in corporate "culture" with no outlet for unique talents and skills. Corporate practices can be directly hostile to individuals with exceptional skills and initiative in technical matters. I consider such management of technical people cruel and wasteful. -- Bjarne Stroustrup -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: LibreOffice and Canonical
BTW, Does anybody know how to join the users mailing list for LibreOffice? It keeps SAYING I am denied and I can't get anywhere with it. -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Hopper On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Jason Benjamin wrote: With Canonical joining The Document Foundation Advisory Board will there be any changes to the LibreOffice code? Right now I have experienced problems with the look-and-feel of LibreOffice on Ubuntu. It looks okay with the default look but the scrollbars don't match the Gtk 3 interface. If the Gtk 3 Swing plugin is used, the dark elements and bright elements in the program don't like right and are sometimes hidden no matter which icon theme is used. I know that SWT is usually associated with Eclipse, but it can be compiled with support for native Gtk 2 or 3 using native system calls in Java. This might take a lengthy rewrite, but I feel this is an important suggestion. Just making this comment, but I'm thinking of finding the right list to bring this up to LibreOffice to at least know where they're going with this and if the look-and-feel will ever be improved. -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Hopper -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Dual Packaging per Library
I know a that a lot of Linux systems are moving toward Gtk 3, but there are so many packages in the repositories that are still compiled with Gtk 2 in mind. The authors provide Gtk 3 options for several of them in the configure process. Geany and the wxWidgets library are a couple examples. Is it possible that with Xubuntu and Lubuntu the packages could be maintained for Gtk 2 but have newer alternative packages compiled specifically for Gtk 3? Hopefully more authors start to do this. But then of course, the applications that rely heavily on canvas drawing will have to switch to Cairo. -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Hopper -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
LibreOffice and Canonical
With Canonical joining The Document Foundation Advisory Board will there be any changes to the LibreOffice code? Right now I have experienced problems with the look-and-feel of LibreOffice on Ubuntu. It looks okay with the default look but the scrollbars don't match the Gtk 3 interface. If the Gtk 3 Swing plugin is used, the dark elements and bright elements in the program don't like right and are sometimes hidden no matter which icon theme is used. I know that SWT is usually associated with Eclipse, but it can be compiled with support for native Gtk 2 or 3 using native system calls in Java. This might take a lengthy rewrite, but I feel this is an important suggestion. Just making this comment, but I'm thinking of finding the right list to bring this up to LibreOffice to at least know where they're going with this and if the look-and-feel will ever be improved. -- [The Computer] was the first machine man built that assisted the power of his brain instead of the strength of his arm. - Grace Hopper -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The Simple Things in Life
I like John's idea too, but I also don't like the simple appearance of a system thrown together so extemporaneously that a simple "power user" could fix the bugs. The hibernation is what really makes me irritated by Ubuntu. I know, I read some posts from Linux Torvalds on the subject. However it looks as simple to solve as reactivating the devices after restoring the memory. I know that my laptop even though it's probably not supported hangs when restoring the display. This could be because the splash screen is shown discounting the reactivation of the devices. I don't have a desktop right now, but whenever my laptop is unplugged in the hibernation situation, that's when it has problems. Otherwise it works fine, which could explain why the laptops are not usually supported. This is so far the only Linux operating system I know of that has dedicated computer hardware with it preinstalled (though I could be proven wrong), so it would be great if the outside was as good as the inside. On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Xen wrote: John Moser schreef op 19-07-2016 23:48: What Ubuntu needs most is a simple, non-buried toggle option to show the boot process--including displaying the bootloader, displaying the kernel load messages, and listing which services are loading and already-loaded during the graphical boot. Ubuntu's best current feature is the Recovery boot mode, aside from not having a setting to make this the standard boot mode sans the recovery prompt. "Blindside the user with a confusing and meaningless boot process and terror at a slight lag in boot time because the system may be broken" is not a good policy for boot times longer than 1 second. It's really quite obvious isn't it. But you don't need to see everything. See currently it is either all or nothing and that is how many people seem to think. Either you see a splash screen with no information at all (save perhaps an encryption message or a leaked-through kernel command line bug or error during the boot process) or you see all of the systemd services starting and perhaps much more information as well. Why not divide the boot process in 5 or 6 stages and then show the user when each stage has been completed? SystemD already has stages (targets) but it was not really meant for humans. I mean how obvious is it that "one state" (such as the desktop being loaded) is not informative enough, while "1000 states" may be much too informative? When do people learn to find the middle road? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
The Simple Things in Life
I've been irritated by so many obvious shortcomings of Ubuntu this version (16.04). So many of the most obvious fixes are easily attributed to configuration files. I don't know if those who purchase the operating system directly from Canonical versus a download are having to deal with the same problems or are getting a superior/better operating system. Some of my main qualms that I am unable to deal with are the theming. Even using alternative themes most of them won't even look right as supposed. The HIBERNATION itself seems to work fine on other closely related distros (Elementary OS I tested). but Ubuntu has problems with it. AFAIK the GRUB_CMDLINE breaks this if anything, and alternatives such as TuxOnIce don't work either. My guess is that its Plymouth and there doesn't seem to be any clear pointers to a solution. After desktop session saving was deprecated (or removed because of transition from Gnome?), this seems like a serious and necessary *implementation* of desktop application saving. I've seen a lot of these blogs that suggest installing extra programs and such after the installation. Here's mine: Top real things to do after installing Ubuntu 16.04 LTS: Fix splash at boot up while root create file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash and add the line: FRAMEBUFFER=y then run sudo update-initramfs -u [-k all] “-k all” refers to checking all graphics cards Alternative recourse if the previous splash fix doesn’t cover everything Comment out GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET lines (both deprecated) uncomment GRUB_TIMEOUT (preferably set to 0) and add ‘GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden’ add boot option ‘fastboot’ to /etc/default/grub (to hide file system clean message at boot) add ‘GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep’ to same file run sudo update-grub Disable upstart entry in grub menu as root edit /etc/grub.d/10_linux and find line SUPPORTED_INITS and remove the option ‘upstart:/sbin/upstart’ run sudo update-grub Remove Guest account from login create new file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and add following lines: [SeatDefaults] greeter-session=unity-greeter user-session=ubuntu allow-guest=false Fix event sounds for startup open startup applications and add “canberra-gtk-play -i desktop-login &” as root in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf add the line: “session-cleanup-script=/usr/share/gnome/shutdown/libcanberra-logout-sound.sh” Enable hibernate First make sure your swap partition is large enough the kernel that comes with Ubuntu is behind and has a bug that causes hibernate to crash when in practical situations go to http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.4.8-wily download and install kernel headers and image remove any older kernel packages run sudo blkid and determine swap UUID ensure UUID is the same in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume add the same line to /etc/default/grub at the end of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT or to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX run sudo update-grub and sudo update-initramfs -u while root create /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla and add following lines: [Re-enable hibernate by default in upower] Identity=unix-user:* Action=org.freedesktop.upower.hibernate ResultActive=yes [Re-enable hibernate by default in logind] Identity=unix-user:* Action=org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate;org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions ResultActive=yes As root edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/inet and change XF86Hibernate key to and comment out XF86Suspend line run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xkb-data *optional: edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf find line “#HandleLidSwitch=suspend” and uncomment change suspend to hibernate Fix scaling to remove distortions use dconf or gsettings change /com/canonical/unity/interface/text-scale-factor to 0.95 change /org/gnome/desktop/interface/text-scaling-factor to 0.95 change /org/gnome/desktop/interface/document-font-name to Sans 12 change /org/gnome/desktop/interface/font-name to Ubuntu 12 *optional: install Unity Tweak sudo apt install unity-tweak-tool -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
