Re: non-free software in Ubuntu
Hi Enrico As you probably already know, the AGPL version OpenERP is already in universe, what's the difference between the free version and the non-free version? Are there any benefits to the user in having it there or otherwise, why would you want it there? thanks -Jonathan On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > Hi folks, > > we're currently thinking about publishing our proprietary OpenERP > packages under an free-of-charge license for parties that aren't > in our business scope: personal or educational use, small companies > (not yet defined how small exactly ;-o), etc. > > Could those packages be candidates for the multiverse section ? > > > cu > -- > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind regards > > Enrico Weigelt > VNC - Virtual Network Consult GmbH > Head Of Development > > Pariser Platz 4a, D-10117 Berlin > Tel.: +49 (30) 3464615-20 > Fax: +49 (30) 3464615-59 > > enrico.weig...@vnc.biz; www.vnc.de > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Old Turtle
Hi Alan On 18/04/2012 21:28, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: Hi, I try to install the TurtleArt in Synaptic and only have the version 98..I have the latest sources (of precise pnagolin)...The latest Turtle are 138! http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4027 Someone can update it? Regards! Alan That's quite nice, I haven't seen that turtle interpreter before! Unfortunately it's past feature freeze and at less than one week from release, it's unlikely that we'll get a feature freeze exception for that. However, if you file a bug at Launchpad.net (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs) then we can track it for the next release. Feel free to subscribe the edubuntu-dev team to it, then the edubuntu team can track it on bug days. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: How to install Precise without getting screwed?
Hi Dale On 01/04/2012 07:52, Dale Amon wrote: So the question is, how can I install Precise and *NOT* have Unity put me out of action and cost me days of work getting rid of it and getting my working environment back to normal? This list is for developer discussion, for user support, please try the methods listed on http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community For trying out Precise, install VirtualBox or KVM and try it in a virtual machine. You can run Unity just fine in a VM and almost any other desktop environment is a quick install away via the software center. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Moving all binaries to /usr/bin ?
On 11-11-01 05:26 PM, Matt Alexander wrote: > Interesting proposed change for the location of binaries in Fedora: > http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-considers-moving-all-binaries-to-usr-bin-1369642.html > > Would Ubuntu consider doing the same? There were some discussion about this at UDS yesterday during the session about dropping initrd images for systems that don't need them. >From what I understand it requires quite a bit of kludging in Fedora already, in Ubuntu it could cause even further problems considering that it could break things since Debian doesn't do this. Since it was accepted that the initrd can be dropped for systems that don't need it if it can be implemented in time for Oneiric, it makes it even less likely that moving the binaries will be implemented. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin
Hi Joseph On 11-10-19 12:21 AM, Joseph Toppi wrote: > Because no one else seemed willing to check, compact view does remove the > needless amount of margin, but also switches to a more list-like look and > changes the scrolling to horizontal. I checked in Nautilus 2.32.2.1 the > version that ships with 11.04 with all updates applied. > > What kind of QA process is there before a release, how can I help with that? The QA team can always use some more hands, there's even a dedicated QA site where you can get all the information you need: http://qa.ubuntu.com/ It seems that the Desktop testing program is of particular interest to you: http://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/desktop-testing-program/ -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Unity, consistency and password-protected web pages
Hi Mark On 03/28/11 07:39, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Whenever these crossed wires, or links to unavailable content occur, it's a reasonable question to ask if the material can be published more widely. Obviously, it's not ideal for us to have links to internal content. *Sometimes* it will be necessary, in this case it isn't. How would you define "insternal content"? -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Brainstorming for UDS-N - Edubuntu
Hi David On 30/09/2010 17:46, David Farning wrote: > This past release has seen the complete packaging of Sugar, originally > created for the one Laptop per child project, for Debian and Ubuntu. > For the upcoming cycle, > > 1. I will commit to sponsoring maintainers for Sugar .88 on maverick > and releaseing Sugar .92 on natty. > 2. Porting the OLPC school server packages to Debian and Ubuntu. That's brilliant, thanks for all the effort you put into this! -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Brainstorming for UDS-N - Edubuntu
Hi Ubuntu Developers (snip original very, very long e-mail about Edubuntu originally typed) Here are some ideas we've been discussing in Edubuntu for Natty and Natty+1. They probably won't fit in to one single Ubuntu track, so I opened a new thread on this list (hope that's ok). They aren't all intended to be implemented and some ideas will most certainly require a lot of planning and discussion. We've never had a shortage of ideas before, usually just a shortage of people to implement them. Having said that, additional ideas are always welcome and this list will probably grow a bit in the lead-up to UDS. === Installer === * More options for desktop environments * More LTSP options for LTSP options screen * Fix delays caused in installer by installing almost all available Ubuntu language packs, then removing almost all of them again except for the one that the user chose * New Ubiquity slideshow === Edubuntu Server === * Create meta-package that could be used on ubuntu-server that installs and if possible, configures edu-webapps * Test latest moodle packaging efforts done in Debian and sync * Assist Schooltool team early in release to get final remaining Zope dependencies in the archives * Take a new look at central authentication in Ubuntu and how it can be simplified, in particular the work done by Opensys * Investigate other potential server side apps and tools and find a better way to deliver them (web apps are a pain) == Edubuntu Artwork === * Update the breathe-icon-theme to remove old (brown) Ubuntu references and make it more modern, make panel icons more appropriate and in line with Ubuntu artwork, while maintaining some playfulness * Refresh Edubuntu colours and update GTK theme, plymouth theme, GDM login, etc to be more consistent, fix current artwork bugs == Edubuntu Documentation == * Edubuntu 11.04 installation guide, release notes, release announcement * Edubuntu LTSP Tips and Tricks Document * "Glue documentation" between upstream documentation for Edubuntu for tools such as Pessulus, Sabayon, iTalc, Nanny, etc. Explain Edubuntu specific differences. * More instructional videos on YouTube, make better use of the awesome YouTube community that have already created a bunch of screencasts, feature videos on website/planet. == Edubuntu Desktop == * Zeitgeist admin integration, allow administrators to get summaries of what users have been up to * Qimo Gnome session with desktop-profiles * Sugar session * Remove ltsp-live from menus and add it to boot options when choosing installer-only/gnome-session == Edubuntu Meta === * Possibly include one or more of the following: pencil, geogebra, pdfmod, new italc, openspell [needs-packaging], calibre, freeciv, lybniz, melting, linthesia, gimpbox [needs-packaging], ttf-sil-andika, stellarium, planetarium, celestian * Replace scribus with scribus-ng * Fix depends for qcad-doc on qt3-assistant * Work with Kubuntu to fix kde-edu dependencies, currently an entire KDE session is installed on Edubuntu that we don't really want since it's not configured at all == Edubuntu website == * Feature our users prominently, show the world where Edubuntu is used with photos, stories and videos * Add an Edubuntu marketplace, showing where Edubuntu support and services can be found, including companies that sell pre-installed Edubuntu systems such as Zareason and System76 (discuss with Canonical folk at UDS) -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Edubuntu Meeting Logs - 18 August 2010
Hi! Next meeting is at 25 August 2010 at 19:00 UTC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda I didn't have much time to take real notes during this meeting, so I'll post the logs as-is here for anyone that might have wanted to attend but couldn't: 15:00 < highvoltage> Howdy! Who's here for the Edubuntu meeting? 15:00 -!- dinda [~di...@c-98-195-219-156.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 15:01 -!- rsajdok_ [~rsaj...@public-gprs10384.centertel.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 15:01 < highvoltage> Agenda is up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda 15:01 < highvoltage> Anything we should add? 15:02 -!- alkisg [~alk...@ubuntu/member/alkisg] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 15:02 < highvoltage> here is the release schedule, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule 15:03 < highvoltage> we're one month away from beta. then everything should be more or less working with minor bugs left to fix only 15:03 < highvoltage> currently we're more or less ok with feature freeze. the ubiquity enhancements is currently a bit behind schedule, and not yet in a working state 15:04 < highvoltage> but if it misses this release entirely, it won't be a major issue 15:05 < highvoltage> I discovered this wallpaper last week via OMG!Ubuntu! http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/wallpapers/periodic-table.jpg 15:05 < highvoltage> I thought it was quite nice but the license was cc-by-nc, which we can't include in Ubuntu 15:06 < dinda> it is nice though 15:06 < highvoltage> so I contacted the author and he immediately changed the licensing for us, so it will be one of the included wallpapers in maverick! 15:06 < dinda> sweet! 15:07 < highvoltage> I'm also going to contact some of the artists who created these wallpapers: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/wallpapers/ 15:07 < highvoltage> all of them are already released undera a free license, but has some issues, so maybe I can do some convincing since it's for edubuntu 15:08 < alkisg> Woo, nice wallpapers 15:08 < highvoltage> the first two that starts with CURRENTLY_NONFREE are also cc-by-nc 15:08 < highvoltage> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/wallpapers/snailrace.jpg is released under an artistic license 15:08 < highvoltage> that means we can't remove the VLADSTUDIO text but we are allowed to distrubute it 15:09 < dinda> is CC-By the only license we can use? 15:09 < highvoltage> maybe I could get them to either remove the text or just change the license. maybe somewhat of a long shot but I decided to give it a shot anyway 15:09 -!- daker [~da...@41.249.82.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:09 < alkisg> Most of the vlad studio text will be covered by the bottom panel anyway :P 15:09 < highvoltage> dinda: we can use any free license, which includes but is not limited to: cc-by, gpl, gfdl, bsd and public domain 15:09 < highvoltage> alkisg: hehe, yes 15:10 < highvoltage> dinda: for people who use cc-by-nc, it's often easy enought to convince them to just drop the -nc 15:10 * mhall119 is here 15:10 -!- Riddelll [...@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 15:10 < dinda> ok, makes sense, thanks 15:11 -!- jMyles_ [~jus...@rrcs-24-39-111-23.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:11 < highvoltage> the periodic table wallpaper is already in the wallpaper chooser since today 15:11 < highvoltage> I'll add the GPL/CC-BY ones tomorrow and then the rest as they become available 15:12 < highvoltage> I plan to split the wallpapers out into a -wallpapers package, since our artwork package is already quite big and it's a lot to update for what's usually just a few text changes in the file 15:12 -!- nellery [~nick.e...@ubuntu/member/nickellery] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 15:12 < highvoltage> I also uploaded Gnome Nanny last week 15:13 < highvoltage> some more information on Gnome Nanny here: http://www.tectonic.co.za/2010/06/gnome-nanny/ 15:13 < highvoltage> stgraber added it to the seeds so it's included in the current edubuntu builds 15:14 < highvoltage> I'll try to get the gnome-nanny-data package uploaded too, it includes lists of sites and stuff that kids shouldn't be able to visit 15:14 < mhall119> is gnome nanny Gnome dependent, or just GDM dependent? 15:15 -!- Eosphere46 [eospher...@173.218.207.197] has quit [Quit: For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.] 15:15 -!- andresmujica [~andres...@ubuntu/member/andresmujica] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 15:15 < highvoltage> mhall119: not sure. it uses gconf for some stuff so it's certainly somewhat gnome dependent 15:15 < alkisg> highvoltage: so gnome-nanny is in the maverick repositories? /me can't find it... 15:16 < mhall119> ok 15:16 < highvoltage> mhall119: talking of which, mgariepy (hrm I should get him to join these meetings) showed me some cool stuff he does with gconf paths with the desktop-profiles package, from what I've seen it might be possible to fix the qimo-gnome-desktop dillemma with that 15:17 < highvoltag
Re: Update Moodle Package ETA?
Hi Nathan On 07/04/2010 17:22, Nathan Gilmore wrote: > Do you know if you will have an updated 2.0 package for the fall release > of Ubuntu, so the 10/10 release version, (or so I assume it will be called)? > > We are running a moodle pilot, (we currently use blackboard) and if the > faculty end up picking moodle, my hope would be to come up for > production using 2.0 but I really prefer to use apt-get install for > linux applications when it is possible. > > Thanks for your time and energy into maintaining the current 1.9.4 release. Unfortunately, only for the Ubuntu 10.10 (maverick) release. There will probably be a backport available for 10.04 (lucid) at some point in the backports repository, since it's an lts release. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Focus of the introduction for programmers
Hi Sense On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Sense Hofstede wrote: > Maybe then we should add pointers to information about contributing to > upstream projects. > However, the Ubuntu Website, Ubuntu Drupal, Lernid, Apport, > Desktopcouch, *Indicator, Jockey and many other projects could also be > listed. I agree with what you're saying, although imho if you're serious about becoming an Ubuntu contributor on any type of technical level you'll probably want to learn packaging. You might not want to do sponsorship work or merges or anything MOTU-specific, but knowing how to provide patches and being able to upload your own code and bug fixes seems very useful. I think they should be pointed to packaging in addition to what you propose above, and also other tools that are used across Ubuntu such as bzr. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: how to propose a new feature on Ubuntu?
Hi Marco
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Marco Pallotta
wrote:
> In this last page I was suggested to contact ubuntu-devel-discuss
> mailing list about my idea. So I did it.
> In fact I proposed a new feature on 7 Jan 2010 ("making a workaround
> web page for bugs, in LTS release, not fixed"). This proposed was
> discussed (there were 8 posts) but then nothing. What does it mean? If
> no Ubuntu developer (I suppose we refer to Canonical official
> developer) replied to this proposal does it mean that, at the moment,
> it couldn't be implemented?
This list isn't the right place to suggest features. New ideas should
be logged on Ubuntu Brainstorm [1], the process is explained on the
Ubuntu wiki[2]. All features and bug fixes and anything that is
included in Ubuntu happens via packages in the Debian packaging
format, if you'd like to implement your ideas yourself, you might want
to consider learning packaging and/or becoming a MOTU[3].
-Jonathan
[1] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brainstorm
[3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
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Re: why privacy and security matters
Hi On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Patrick Freundt wrote: > The career of this daddy poo is obviously so settled that he does not > care at all whether I am able to gain proof for whats going on. And it > seems to make that 21 year old chocolate girl all proud to have such a > daddy. > > The only problem is: why am I forced to be part of this weird family > in an extremely strange kind of way? I don't want to be rude but this saga seems quite irrelevant to Ubuntu development, I think you've made your point. Can you please take it somewhere else? Thanks. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: CLI friendliness
Shentino wrote: > * MUDs > * SSH > * Kernel development > > Generally, how friendly is ubuntu planning to be with users like me? You can do a minimal install that will give you just VT's to begin with, Ubuntu has some nice screen profiles and has KMS support so you should get fast switching between your VT's. Ubuntu probably has most that you'd want to run from all your VT's packaged already, including mc, ethstatus, htop, irssi, mutt, figlet, ccze, links2 and much more. In short, you should be able to do anything with VT's on Ubuntu that you could do on any other decent system :) -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Sponsorship deadline for UDS-Lucid approaching
Hi Mike On 25/09/2009 05:07, Mike Basinger wrote: > Maybe we should redistribute the info on UDS-L sponsorship to mailing > list, blogs, etc... and perhaps extend the deadline a few days if > possible. As far as I understood it the canonical place to announce any developer related news should always first and foremost be ubuntu-devel-annou...@ubuntu.com. If people aren't even interested enough in Ubuntu to subscribe to that list, would they really be interested enough to apply for sponsorship in the first place? -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ubuntu
Hi Jo Jo Demetriou wrote: > I don't know who to contact, I downloaded ubuntu from a disc. It has > made my computer very slow as I still have windows on startup. How do I > uninstall it. It does not prompt you on the disc to uninstall. My guess is that you've installed using Wubi and you are now low on disk space. Try removing it using the Add/Remove tool from the control panel. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Offering sponsorship to the active developers of Edubunty
Hi Alex Alex Dedul wrote: > I want to offer a sponsorship to the active developers of Edubunty. I > want to see contributions so far for active developers and pay them > for the work they done so far. Also i want to pay them for any further > active work on the Edubunty. Thanks for your offer, but personally I don't think there will be anyone that's interested. Those who have done the most work on Edubuntu has either already been paid for their work or they have had no financial intention for doing the work. > Speaking about my reasons and intensions - this out of the goodness of > my heart. You can read up more about my intensions here > http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/90brb/creating_a_company_to_develop_maintain_and/c0b1ce2 > . Well, if you'd want to spend money on Edubuntu specifically somehow, I suggest you try to find a way to do it in a way that you can in your own capacity. You could, for instance, print a big bunch of Edubuntu add-on CD's and distribute them. Shipit doesn't send them anymore so there is a need for it, and you don't need any kind of permission to distribute Edubuntu. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ltsp feedback.
Hi Rogler (moving to ubuntu-devel-discuss) Rogier Wolff wrote: > Similarly the ssh-to-the-server is something I don't want. My client > is on a private network, I'd rather have the performance of straight X > connections than the security of ssh-encrypted X traffic (on my > low-performance thin client). That's actually quite easy to do, you just need to put LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. I agree that it could conceivably be easier, but even for someone who has had very little computer training that shouldn't be too difficult to do. I suppose it would help a lot of there was a nice 'LTSP tips and tricks' page somewhere. > So what am I after? I actually want to have a "large" photo frame. The > 7" versions cost about the same as a thin client. A 19" monitor (that > I have lying around) costs about the same, so for twice the money, I > get 7 times more picture area... > > This means that after booting the kernel, just starting an X server > (preconfigured is fine!) and triggering the slideshow app is enough. > > Starting X can be done VERY early in a boot sequence. I used to have a > machine with a fixed frequency monitor (back in the early nineties, > and of course it wasn't fixed-vga-frequency!) That machine would run > something like two commands before starting the Xserver and displaying > the remaining boot sequence on an Xterm. > > If the thing boots really quickly I can turn it off, and just flip it > on whenever a few hours of service is required. If the boot sequence > is as long as it is, I have to leave it on 24/24 and just unblank the > screen when that's required. > > I'm now moving to stripping ltsp almost all the way. That's all very nice if you only want a bit more display area, but unfortunately it doesn't scale. You can't add 20+ keyboards, display cards and mouses (yes, mouses) to one computer. There are already solutions like you describe available (like Userful or NComputing), but personally I feel that those are only useful when you've got many small rollouts, like if you want to roll out 500 containers with 4 workstations each. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: how to test restricted nvidia drivers on live cd without CAB?
Hi Odysseus Odysseus Flappington wrote: > I'm just kinda asking how to restart X without rebooting the computer, > so that I can test nvidia drivers in a live cd session.. > > I take it there must be a way from the command-line.. Oliver suggested > logging out and back in again.. hopefully that'll actually reload the > gfx drivers. Yes, logging out does restart the X server. I guess you could do a killall X if you really wanted to do it from the command line. GDM should bring it back up for you. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10
Hi Felix Felix Miata wrote: >> I haven't used MC since late 1990's and I can't really say I miss it! I >> perform lots of file-managing tasks every day and I'm quite happy with >> Nautilus. > > How nice for you that you've never had broken X, and never will have, and > never will need to help someone else with broken X. I'm sorry, but you seem to be missing the point. Firstly, there's not so much argument about how useful mc is. mc powerful and useful to many. I've been using it for quite a few things since 1999. What you have to realise is that the space on the Ubuntu installation disc is very, very limited. Every few releases, something very important to a vast majority of users have to be dropped because of the growth of all the applications. while mc is useful to many, it's certainly not critical, and the average user will certainly not want to learn mc in order to fix their X Server. By the way, how does mc fix X servers anyway? You're hitting quite hard on that point and I'm not quite sure how mc would make it easier for users to fix an X server. That's what things like the failsafe X session are for, unless you're refering to mcedit being a more intuitive editor for new users? -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10
Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Please add mc to the '8.10'. It's very useful It's too late to change anything in 8.10, it's frozen solid :) Also, as useful as mc is, it's only useful to a small amount of users, and will waste precious space on the Ubuntu release discs. mc is incredibly easy to install and it's not a big download, so I doubt it will be an issue for anyone who wants to use it. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Boot-time improvements
Hi Some systems have been really successful at making it *appear* as if the system starts up faster. In my opinion, where the system can't be made to boot faster, it should be made to appear so. Here are some ideas around improving boot speed and making it appear faster: 1. Have as few transitions in the boot process as possible When a transition occurs, ie, the screen colour changes or flashes, it distracts the user, and gives an illusion that something is happening. It also makes it appear that more things are busy happening, and it makes the user notice the periods between the transitions (the watching-paint-dry effect). What happens before Ubuntu start is unfortunately not controllable. This is where Apple seems to have a very good advantage in their boot-up process. I think Ubuntu at least, should minimise all the transitions where it is possible. 2. Login dialog needs to be displayed as early as possible Currently, the system does what it has to in order to start X and start up GDM. It would be nice if Usplash (or something) could have a field where you could enter a username and password so long, which could be passed on to GDM when it's good and ready. This way GDM doesn't have to load its interface and possibly not do so much as it does now. Having a username/password dialog as early as possible usually gives a good impression of boot-up time, and while the user types in their username/password, the system will be busy booting in the meantime. The problem with both points above is the amount of integration that happens in the various boot phases. Usplash throws its graphics out on the framebuffer, while GDM uses X. We probably don't want to get rid of GDM entirely, or at all, since, from what I've seen in concept screenshots, GDM will be getting some real nice composited usability features, and most users would probably want to use it. So in terms of getting boot speed as fast as possible, I've wandered a bit on the following: 1. Attempt to get an X server up much sooner Perhaps the bare minimum X server files could be stored in the initramfs? I guess this could probably make the image too alrge which wouldn't make this option very viable. If it could be done, the program that would display an initial boot logo on this X server should also get support for detecting that a disk check is about to happen, and display the appropriate output. I think Red Hat once (or still does?) used an X server for their boot up display. I think they started up GDM seperately though (causing X to start twice during the boot-up process). The greeter should be started with the same X session, so that only one X session is started during the boot process. This may also allow composited effects to be displayed during the boot-up process. Users wouldn't want their boot-process to end too soon if it looks uber-cool :) 2. Remove the flashes and brown screens when starting Gnome Personally, my biggest annoyance as a user is the brown screen that flashes between GDM and when Gnome starts. It would be much nicer if gdm displayed the greeter for half a second longer, and when Gnome has the desktop wallpaper ready, it would do some nice GL transition to the actual desktop environment. Where there has to be transitions, it would be good to keep it as smooth as possible. From a technical level, I guess it comes down to keeping the following to a minimum during boot: * CPU usage * Disk reads/writes (and probably more specific, disk seeks) It seems that with the current process, it's close to as fast as it can be at the moment. Readahead avoids unnecessary disk seeks. Upstart gets the services started in an optimal (well, let's assume so for now) way so that the right services start at the right time. It seems that boot-up speeds on laptops and desktops are the most important. Servers shouldn't ideally be restarted unless there is security updates that require it or when hardware is added. Laptop users are probably less likely to care whether things like apache (some people run it on laptops for testing, etc) or cron are started immediately. A lot of things are probably safe to start way after the login dialog is displayed. Some things probably even far after the user is logged in. It would probably be nice if Upstart had some kind of inetd service support, so that if you happen to have a server (such as openssh-server) installed on your laptop or desktop, that the service will be started up when something (or someone) tries to access its associated port. Perhaps making the boot-process longer, by loading any non-essential software as late as possible (even long after the user has logged on), but getting the user interface ready as early as possible, should be the target, instead of trying to get everything to complete as soon as possible. If something like Usplash continues to be used, I think it's important that it transitions well into the next phase.
Re: sound on the lenovo X.61?
Hi David David Meyer wrote: > Seems not to work. Anyone else seen this? This is not the correct list for support, please try one of the following linkshttp://ubuntuforums.org/ instead: * https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users * https://answers.launchpad.net/ * http://ubuntuforums.org/ FWIW, check if your modem is enabled. On many Lenovo laptops, your sound will be gone if your modem is disabled. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Dell, Microsoft, Novell
Hi t u t u wrote: > Did we (Ubuntu, Canonical) just join the Novell-Microsoft partnership > indirectly? By accident? If Dell is going into that much-dreaded deal > (according to this[1], it indeed is), and if Canonical is in partnership > with Dell (through the sale of Ubuntu-installed Dell systems), I think > we just partnered up with Microsoft in making their FUD of "Linux is > stealing from us" much more credible. From what I understand from http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/may07/05-06MSDellNovellPR.mspx it seems that the deal only applies to server side. Ubuntu's deal is about GNU/Linux on laptops, so it appears that the deals are completely separate. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: An Entirely Different Approach on LiveCD Installer.
Hi Joel Joel Bryan Juliano wrote: > Since Squashfs 3.1 had been released, it now supports specifying "the > filename or the directory within the Squashfs filesystem that is to be > extracted, rather than always extracting the entire filesystem."[1] > This allows the LiveCD to function in different ways rather than > loading the entire desktop onto the memory. For example, make the > LiveCD to load only the necessary files to run the Desktop, but only > of limited applications. This may help breaking the minimum memory > requirements of the LiveCD which is really big. Another approach is to > create a RHGB/Firstboot like application that would only be used for > installing the LiveCD onto the system, that works like the alternative > install CD, but on X. The current Ubuntu live CD squashfs doesn't get loaded into memory at the moment, it gets mounted and then files are read transparently from the filesystem. As for the RHGB/Firstboot idea, I tend to agree with you. We already do it in tuXlabs, where we have a dialog that pops up before the desktop loads on the live CD, asking whether the user wants to install, or use the LiveCD. This makes it possible to install using Ubiquity on a machine with only 128MB RAM. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Which third party repository do you use?
Hi Sebastian Sebastian Heinlein wrote: > But since I only use the Ubuntu repositories I would need your help to > collect some repositories. Please reply to this mail which repositories > you use. If you're collecting repositories, you can get a large amount of them, with some brief descriptions, at http://www.apt-get.org/ Of course, many of them have the potential to break your Ubuntu system. Shouldn't this be a thread for ubuntu-users? -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
