Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready
El 11/11/2009 10:37 PM, Derek Broughton escribió: > Natanael Olaiz wrote >> El 11/11/2009 08:32 PM, Derek Broughton escribió: >> >>> Natanael Olaiz wrote: >>> >>>> Another thing: many shortcuts doesn't work anymore. Even configuring >>>> them by hand!! For instance: screenshots, knotes, etc... >>>> >>> "knotes"? So you're presumably using Kubuntu: most of those shortcuts >>> got broken with the upgrade to KDE4 - LONG before 9.10. >>> >> Yes, I wrote I installed Kubuntu. And yes, I was using Hardy with KDE 3.5. >> But even setting the shortcuts from the KDE settings control doesn't >> work: http://picpaste.com/screenshot_shortcuts.jpg >> This also happened in previous versions of Kubuntu with KDE 4? >> > Shortcuts, particularly in embedded kparts, have been a pain in the butt > with every release that included KDE 4. Welcome to KDE4. > :-/ (that was one of the reasons because I waited so much to upgrade from Hardy: I loved KDE 3.5) Anyway, thanks for your reply. :-) Best regards, Natanael. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready
El 11/11/2009 08:32 PM, Derek Broughton escribió: > Natanael Olaiz wrote: > > >> Another thing: many shortcuts doesn't work anymore. Even configuring >> them by hand!! For instance: screenshots, knotes, etc... >> > > "knotes"? So you're presumably using Kubuntu: most of those shortcuts got > broken with the upgrade to KDE4 - LONG before 9.10. > Yes, I wrote I installed Kubuntu. And yes, I was using Hardy with KDE 3.5. But even setting the shortcuts from the KDE settings control doesn't work: http://picpaste.com/screenshot_shortcuts.jpg This also happened in previous versions of Kubuntu with KDE 4? Best regards, Natanael. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready
Another thing: many shortcuts doesn't work anymore. Even configuring them by hand!! For instance: screenshots, knotes, etc... El 11/10/2009 09:06 AM, Natanael Olaiz escribió: > El 11/09/2009 01:03 PM, Mohammed Bassit escribió: >>> El 10/26/2009 12:28 PM, Mohammed Bassit escribió: >>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>>> I really like to persuade people to use ubuntu. But as long >>>>> as it looks unready it will strengthen their opinion, that linux >>>>> is only for nerds. Pleas learn your lesson from the debian >>>>> community and release a new version only if its ready. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> You are free to use Debian ! >>>> >>>> >>> After being migrated from Jaunty to Karmic in three machines (one at >>> work, one mine, and one of a friend), specially seeing that all that >>> works in Jaunty (wireless, ethernet, sound!) stop working in >>> Karmic >> >> Can you give us more details about what went wrong with your network and >> sound ? was it working in Jaunty out of the box ? did it just break once >> you upgraded to Karmic ? >> >> And those three machines you're talking about, do they have similar >> network and sound cards ? are all three of them from the same make and >> model ? >> > > OK, sorry for my short previous message. I'll explain a little more here: > > The three machines have different configurations. One desktop, and two > different notebooks. > > I installed from scratch Kubuntu (in fact Ubuntu, and then installed > the kde/kubuntu packages) in the Desktop and one of the notebooks, and > upgraded from Jaunty in the other (my friend) notebook. > > Results >- In the desktop PC Karmic works pretty good in general, but there > are a lot of times that I can't close the programs. >- In my notebook, I had problems with wireless (I couldn't > configure a hidden SSID) and the knetworkmanager doesn't allow to > connect a specific network (the click doesn't work). I also have > problems with audio. Each application that uses it makes an annoying > click each time I open or close, sometimes the audio isn't working at > all, sometimes working until suddenly it stops. The pulseaudio backend > (in gstreamer or xine, both) doesn't work, and I can't configure the > skype to work. I had hardy before, and all worked perfectly. Some > programs doesn't close. >- In my friend notebook she have the same troubles with audio and > wireless, and the kernel doesn't support it wired network card (I had > to compile an external module -but that happens also in Jaunty...-). > The PC doesn't shutdown at all, and any power key works after the > upgrade (to suspend/etc). Some programs doesn't close. > > To me is annoying that kind of problems, but as I work with linux, I > need new libraries versions, and I know it (I know how to shutdown > from a console, for instance) I still use it... But my friend is just > a new linux user, and is going to live so far away So: first I > thought: I upgrade her to Karmic, so the hardware support could be > better for her without my help. WRONG! At the moment, she could not > use the machine at all with Karmic. > That was the reason that I upgraded her for Karmic. And that was the > reason to think about Debian after seeing what happened... Maybe is > less "user friendly", but if I configure the machine, I could expect > that the system will still be working for her, even after updates. > With Ubuntu it seems that I can't expect that... :-/ > > > Best regards, > Natanael > >> >>> in my end-user friend machine (I replaced her Windows Vista to >>> Kubuntu, and since Jaunty she was happy and I was proud of that), I >>> seriously >> >> I don't see why you decided to upgrade to Karmic if the user was happy >> with Jaunty ? >> >> >>> considering that option. In this moment I think Debian releases are >>> more "user friendly" that the "for human beings" latest distribution. >>> >>> >> >> I have to agree that Debian releases tend to be more stable, but I'm not >> sure about the user friendly thing !! >> >> >>> Sorry, I don't want to make FUD, but I'm really sad about it. And I >>> see I'm not the only one :-/ >>> >>> >> >> I have seen a few people complaining about their upgrades from Jaunty to >> Karmic that went bad. I personally upgraded three computers to Karmic >> without any issues (Actually the jack sense on my work computer's sound >> card wasn't working in Jaunty and it works now in Karmic). >> >> Anyway, it doesn't seem like a common issue, I have only seen a few >> cases of upgrade fails, and in most of them it was the users >> "fault" (using apt to upgrade for instance). >> >> >>> Best regards, >>> Natanael. >>> >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> > > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready
El 11/09/2009 01:03 PM, Mohammed Bassit escribió: >> El 10/26/2009 12:28 PM, Mohammed Bassit escribió: >> >>> [...] >>> I really like to persuade people to use ubuntu. But as long as it looks unready it will strengthen their opinion, that linux is only for nerds. Pleas learn your lesson from the debian community and release a new version only if its ready. >>> You are free to use Debian ! >>> >>> >> After being migrated from Jaunty to Karmic in three machines (one at >> work, one mine, and one of a friend), specially seeing that all that >> works in Jaunty (wireless, ethernet, sound!) stop working in Karmic >> > > Can you give us more details about what went wrong with your network and > sound ? was it working in Jaunty out of the box ? did it just break once > you upgraded to Karmic ? > > And those three machines you're talking about, do they have similar > network and sound cards ? are all three of them from the same make and > model ? > OK, sorry for my short previous message. I'll explain a little more here: The three machines have different configurations. One desktop, and two different notebooks. I installed from scratch Kubuntu (in fact Ubuntu, and then installed the kde/kubuntu packages) in the Desktop and one of the notebooks, and upgraded from Jaunty in the other (my friend) notebook. Results - In the desktop PC Karmic works pretty good in general, but there are a lot of times that I can't close the programs. - In my notebook, I had problems with wireless (I couldn't configure a hidden SSID) and the knetworkmanager doesn't allow to connect a specific network (the click doesn't work). I also have problems with audio. Each application that uses it makes an annoying click each time I open or close, sometimes the audio isn't working at all, sometimes working until suddenly it stops. The pulseaudio backend (in gstreamer or xine, both) doesn't work, and I can't configure the skype to work. I had hardy before, and all worked perfectly. Some programs doesn't close. - In my friend notebook she have the same troubles with audio and wireless, and the kernel doesn't support it wired network card (I had to compile an external module -but that happens also in Jaunty...-). The PC doesn't shutdown at all, and any power key works after the upgrade (to suspend/etc). Some programs doesn't close. To me is annoying that kind of problems, but as I work with linux, I need new libraries versions, and I know it (I know how to shutdown from a console, for instance) I still use it... But my friend is just a new linux user, and is going to live so far away So: first I thought: I upgrade her to Karmic, so the hardware support could be better for her without my help. WRONG! At the moment, she could not use the machine at all with Karmic. That was the reason that I upgraded her for Karmic. And that was the reason to think about Debian after seeing what happened... Maybe is less "user friendly", but if I configure the machine, I could expect that the system will still be working for her, even after updates. With Ubuntu it seems that I can't expect that... :-/ Best regards, Natanael > >> in my end-user friend machine (I replaced her Windows Vista to Kubuntu, >> and since Jaunty she was happy and I was proud of that), I seriously >> > > I don't see why you decided to upgrade to Karmic if the user was happy > with Jaunty ? > > >> considering that option. In this moment I think Debian releases are more >> "user friendly" that the "for human beings" latest distribution. >> >> > > I have to agree that Debian releases tend to be more stable, but I'm not > sure about the user friendly thing !! > > >> Sorry, I don't want to make FUD, but I'm really sad about it. And I see >> I'm not the only one :-/ >> >> > > I have seen a few people complaining about their upgrades from Jaunty to > Karmic that went bad. I personally upgraded three computers to Karmic > without any issues (Actually the jack sense on my work computer's sound > card wasn't working in Jaunty and it works now in Karmic). > > Anyway, it doesn't seem like a common issue, I have only seen a few > cases of upgrade fails, and in most of them it was the users > "fault" (using apt to upgrade for instance). > > >> Best regards, >> Natanael. >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> >> > > > Thanks, > > > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready
El 10/26/2009 12:28 PM, Mohammed Bassit escribió: > [...] >> I really like to persuade people to use ubuntu. But as long >> as it looks unready it will strengthen their opinion, that linux >> is only for nerds. Pleas learn your lesson from the debian >> community and release a new version only if its ready. >> >> > > You are free to use Debian ! > After being migrated from Jaunty to Karmic in three machines (one at work, one mine, and one of a friend), specially seeing that all that works in Jaunty (wireless, ethernet, sound!) stop working in Karmic in my end-user friend machine (I replaced her Windows Vista to Kubuntu, and since Jaunty she was happy and I was proud of that), I seriously considering that option. In this moment I think Debian releases are more "user friendly" that the "for human beings" latest distribution. Sorry, I don't want to make FUD, but I'm really sad about it. And I see I'm not the only one :-/ Best regards, Natanael. > Thanks, -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
