Fwd: Please fix regressions between 7.04 and 7.10-8.04 !!!
and i forgot to mention Bug #190579 numlock does not stay enabled Hardy... -- Forwarded message -- From: thibaut bethune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 28 mars 2008 19:18 Subject: Please fix regressions between 7.04 and 7.10-8.04 !!! To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com I think regressions should be treated with top priority. i have to face two important regressions since Ubuntu 7.04 : 1°) defects concerning image rendering My video card is an ATI Radeon 8500 LE (R200) which is not rare stuff. a) Compiz is activated since Ubuntu 7.10. Since then i have that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/150058 b) Since Ubuntu 8.04 i have that bug also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/182038 Therefore switching from Ubuntu 7.04 to Ubuntu 8.04 creates is an important regression in image rendering (bugs a + b) 2°) Photo Import from Canon IXUS 30/Powershot SD200 failed since Ubuntu 7.10 see that bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/158119 Considering my hardware components (ATI R200 and Canon camera) which are not rare, that makes a lot of regressions since Ubuntu 7.04 (bugs 1a + 1b + 2)... --- Please, note that there is a workaround concerning bug 1 bug 1° a) disapears if i switch to metacity with composite (gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true) bug 1° b) disapears if i add in my xorg.conf : Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" but it creates another bug that is solved if i add also Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/182038/comments/71 Therefore, switching to metacity with composite and adding Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" & Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" completly solves bug 1 a+b Maybe that should be default settings for R200 ? But i don't have any workaround for the camera bug, therefore i don't know what to with my pictures :-( I'd be please to wait for a fix but i'd like to be sure that someone is working on it Thanks -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Does metacity compositor use acceleration?
chombee said "Does the compositor that you can enable in metacity in hardy use 3D acceleration?" ( to enable compositor in metacity, run in a terminal : gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true ) Yes it is accelerated Unlike Compiz Fusion that uses OpenGL acceleration, Metacity makes use of XRender http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XRender More information here : http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/category/compositing/ and specially here : http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2007/11/16/adventures-in-compositation-land/ "Compositing at its simplest is a program telling the Xserver not to draw the windows anymore because the program wants to do it instead. So now X doesn't draw the window to the screen, but to a backing store pixmap which the compositor program then draws on the screen. It makes sense for this compositing program to be the window manager, because it already knows all about screens and displays and what window goes where when. . . etc, but it does not need to be (e.g. xcompmgr). The trick is that when the compositor comes to draw the window's backing pixmap to the screen it can really do whatever it wants with it. It can paint it backwards, or with a red tint, or just simply paint it normally to the screen. Compositors like Compiz draw the window onto GL textures and then are able to do 3D transforms on them. The compositor in Metacity just draws it to the screen using the XRender extension." "No, you don't need 3D acceleration for this compositor, so cards with sucky GL will be able to use it. You will however need a good and fast XRender implementation. I'm using the both the binary NVidia driver and the opensource Intel driver. The NVidia driver works well, the Intel one (as shipped by Gutsy) works ok, but CPU usage can get high. I've been told the Fiesty Intel driver is quite slow" Note that i have an ATI Radeon 8500 LE card (R200) and i've modified my xorg.conf to boost performance through EXA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXA ) by adding two lines into it. Here is the interesting part of my xorg.conf : "Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" EndSection See also : https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/88696 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/182038 http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/ExaStatus http://man.root.cz/4/radeon/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Please fix regressions between 7.04 and 7.10-8.04 !!!
I think regressions should be treated with top priority. i have to face two important regressions since Ubuntu 7.04 : 1°) defects concerning image rendering My video card is an ATI Radeon 8500 LE (R200) which is not rare stuff. a) Compiz is activated since Ubuntu 7.10. Since then i have that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/150058 b) Since Ubuntu 8.04 i have that bug also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/182038 Therefore switching from Ubuntu 7.04 to Ubuntu 8.04 creates is an important regression in image rendering (bugs a + b) 2°) Photo Import from Canon IXUS 30/Powershot SD200 failed since Ubuntu 7.10 see that bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/158119 Considering my hardware components (ATI R200 and Canon camera) which are not rare, that makes a lot of regressions since Ubuntu 7.04 (bugs 1a + 1b + 2)... --- Please, note that there is a workaround concerning bug 1 bug 1° a) disapears if i switch to metacity with composite (gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true) bug 1° b) disapears if i add in my xorg.conf : Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" but it creates another bug that is solved if i add also Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/182038/comments/71 Therefore, switching to metacity with composite and adding Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" & Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" completly solves bug 1 a+b Maybe that should be default settings for R200 ? But i don't have any workaround for the camera bug, therefore i don't know what to with my pictures :-( I'd be please to wait for a fix but i'd like to be sure that someone is working on it Thanks -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Policykit] No possibilty to unlock the save option in Gedit while
Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote : "This is a good idea, but ubuntu-devel-discuss is IMHO not the best place to talk about that. Please report a bug (wishlist) on http://bugzilla.gnome.org to the gedit product: they'll see what they can do. Here we can just agree, but nobody codes directly into gedit." Bug 524199 – When password is needed to modify a file, Gedit should ask user to give its password instead of saying "you can't save modifications" http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524199 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Policykit] No possibilty to unlock the save option in Gedit while trying to modify xorg.conf
Policykit is there to avoid the user to get a dialog box that would say "that can't be done" without offering a workaround (if i'm not mistaken) well i've run Nautilus, and i've opened in Gedit etc/X11/xorg.conf i've made some changes in it and pressed the "save" button (which was active) and i've gotten an error message I think that : either the save button should not be active (at less) either the user should have the possibilty to give the password to be able to save the file (that would be perfect to me) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
apturl in Evince with PDF files
Apturl is very useful for documentation concerning Ubuntu. Firefox and Epiphany use it and allow to easily install a software from a documentation website There is also documentation in PDF files, and therefore Evince should also cope with apturl https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/144301 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Fwd: nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ?
1°) Jerone Young said "This nm-applet is also for configuration changes. So while you may have a staic ip you may want to change it. Or maybe you decide to start using DHCP. This will allow you to easily see your ip address" Actually you can have that configuration thing with an applet : see Tomboy applet or Glipper applet which can easily be accessed since it remains on the panel (but not in the notification area) look at this picture http://bp3.blogger.com/_TWgeucLxjj0/R-UzbI4sA0I/A1Q/8BIbhavAlxo/s1600-h/fricorder.png : Tomboy applet is always visible as an applet (top right of the screen), not in notification area 2°) Jerone Young said "I actually think it makes since and eases network configuration for everyone" You can say that for everything and then place all programs in notification area i guess. Maybe that should therefore be renamed into the "configuration area" ;-) nm-applet is an applet and notification area is for notification. Therefore the "bug" seems pretty obvious to me. Please, read again that HIG quote "The utility of the notification area decreases rapidly when more than about four icons are always present. For this reason, icons that appear only temporarily in response to events are preferable." That seems to be a good principle to me. Besides, the problem not only concerns nm-applet, it concerns the whole system. If nm-applet starts to stuck in notification area, all programs will do the same. I guess this is why HIG stand for Thank you ------ Forwarded message -- From: thibaut bethune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 22 mars 2008 04:48 Subject: nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ? To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com I'm running Hardy beta. Since Ubuntu 7.04 the network manager icon is stuck in my top panel. I don't see the interest of having such an icon in notification area since the icon never changes on my system (but i have no wireless connection) Therefore i wander if network manager should not be an applet instead of cluttering the notification area : actually network manager icon doesn't notify anything (it acts in a manner quite similar to Tomboy which is an applet. Besides it is called nm-applet !). Having network manager as an applet doesn't mean that it can't display ponctual pieces of information in notification area when needed (poping up a small transient "balloon" attached to a notification icon). for reference, here is the GNOME HIG quote : "Using the Status Notification Area Using the status notification area applications can notify the user of non-critical events (for example, arrival of new email, or a chat 'buddy' having logged on), and expose the status of active system processes (for example, a printing document, or a laptop's battery charging). The utility of the notification area decreases rapidly when more than about four icons are always present. For this reason, icons that appear only temporarily in response to events are preferable." http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/desktop-notification-area.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ?
I'm running Hardy beta. Since Ubuntu 7.04 the network manager icon is stuck in my top panel. I don't see the interest of having such an icon in notification area since the icon never changes on my system (but i have no wireless connection) Therefore i wander if network manager should not be an applet instead of cluttering the notification area : actually network manager icon doesn't notify anything (it acts in a manner quite similar to Tomboy which is an applet. Besides it is called nm-applet !). Having network manager as an applet doesn't mean that it can't display ponctual pieces of information in notification area when needed (poping up a small transient "balloon" attached to a notification icon). for reference, here is the GNOME HIG quote : "Using the Status Notification Area Using the status notification area applications can notify the user of non-critical events (for example, arrival of new email, or a chat 'buddy' having logged on), and expose the status of active system processes (for example, a printing document, or a laptop's battery charging). The utility of the notification area decreases rapidly when more than about four icons are always present. For this reason, icons that appear only temporarily in response to events are preferable." http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/desktop-notification-area.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Fwd: Rhythmbox & Sound Juicer : some thoughts about the extracting audio CD functionality in Ubuntu & suggestions to improve it
see also : Bug 523072 – Rhythmbox should warn the user who tries to close it during audio CD ripping that it will stop the current task http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523072 Bug 523073 – Rhythmbox lacks an argument to launch it with "audio CD" selected instead of "Library" in "Source" panel http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523073 -- Forwarded message -- From: thibaut bethune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 16 mars 2008 19:00 Subject: Rhythmbox & Sound Juicer : some thoughts about the extracting audio CD functionality in Ubuntu & suggestions to improve it To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com I'd like to discuss the way Ubuntu deals with the "extracting audio CD" task - Ubuntu 7.10 and before : inserting an audio CD launchs Sound Juicer (according to the nome-volume-properties GUI) - Ubuntu 8.04 hardy alpha 6 : inserting an audio CD launchs Rhythmbox. I'm in favor of Rhythmbox for performing that task. BUT, the Ubuntu Hardu alpha 6 situation could be improved in 3 ways : 1°) Sound Juicer should be removed from Hardy since Rhythmbox is the default system application to extract music from CD - no need for cluttering Applications menu. See Bug #202593 in sound-juicer (Ubuntu) on Launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-juicer/+bug/202593 2°) When inserting and audio CD, Rhythmbox should be launched with the GUI that shows the "Extract" button. Let me explain. Actually : - Rhythmbox has a contextual toolbar, which means that the "Extract" button is only displayed when you select the CD name in the "Source" panel. - But Rhythmbox is always launched with "Library" selected in the "Source" panel (even when an audio CD is inserted) - Therefore, when an audio CD is inserted, Ubuntu launches Rhythmbox with "Library" selected in the "Source" panel, and no "Extract" button visible by the user : the user doesn't know how to rip his audio CD. My suggestion is that, when an audio CD is inserted, Rhythmbox should be launched with current audio CD selected in the "Source" panel, to make the contextual toolbar in Rhythmbox matching the task the user expects. 3°) While ripping an audio CD, you can close Rhythmbox without be advertised that Rhythmbox is performing a task. User should be warned that closing Rhythmbox now will stop the current task. Maybe a confirmation dialog box could say : "You are about to close Rhythmbox while Rhythmbox is ripping a CD. Closing Rhythmbox will stop the current CD ripping" Thank you -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Rhythmbox & Sound Juicer : some thoughts about the extracting audio CD functionality in Ubuntu & suggestions to improve it
I'd like to discuss the way Ubuntu deals with the "extracting audio CD" task - Ubuntu 7.10 and before : inserting an audio CD launchs Sound Juicer (according to the nome-volume-properties GUI) - Ubuntu 8.04 hardy alpha 6 : inserting an audio CD launchs Rhythmbox. I'm in favor of Rhythmbox for performing that task. BUT, the Ubuntu Hardu alpha 6 situation could be improved in 3 ways : 1°) Sound Juicer should be removed from Hardy since Rhythmbox is the default system application to extract music from CD - no need for cluttering Applications menu. See Bug #202593 in sound-juicer (Ubuntu) on Launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-juicer/+bug/202593 2°) When inserting and audio CD, Rhythmbox should be launched with the GUI that shows the "Extract" button. Let me explain. Actually : - Rhythmbox has a contextual toolbar, which means that the "Extract" button is only displayed when you select the CD name in the "Source" panel. - But Rhythmbox is always launched with "Library" selected in the "Source" panel (even when an audio CD is inserted) - Therefore, when an audio CD is inserted, Ubuntu launches Rhythmbox with "Library" selected in the "Source" panel, and no "Extract" button visible by the user : the user doesn't know how to rip his audio CD. My suggestion is that, when an audio CD is inserted, Rhythmbox should be launched with current audio CD selected in the "Source" panel, to make the contextual toolbar in Rhythmbox matching the task the user expects. 3°) While ripping an audio CD, you can close Rhythmbox without be advertised that Rhythmbox is performing a task. User should be warned that closing Rhythmbox now will stop the current task. Maybe a confirmation dialog box could say : "You are about to close Rhythmbox while Rhythmbox is ripping a CD. Closing Rhythmbox will stop the current CD ripping" Thank you -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
