Re: Karmic Alpha 6/Beta

2009-10-02 Thread Siegfried-A. Gevatter
2009/10/2 David Curtis dcur...@uniserve.com:
 If it is true that there are packages/sets of packages that will not
 get installed through 'apt-get dist-upgrade' during the development
 cycle

GRUB 2 is a special case. It is only (automatically) installed on a
clean install, and not on upgrades, given the risk of this operation.

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Re: Karmic Alpha 6/Beta

2009-10-02 Thread NoOp
On 10/02/2009 07:51 AM, Siegfried-A. Gevatter wrote:
 2009/10/2 David Curtis dcur...@uniserve.com:
 If it is true that there are packages/sets of packages that will not
 get installed through 'apt-get dist-upgrade' during the development
 cycle
 
 GRUB 2 is a special case. It is only (automatically) installed on a
 clean install, and not on upgrades, given the risk of this operation.
 

On my fully updated Alpha 6, I'm showing:

$ apt-cache policy grub-common
grub-common:
  Installed: 1.97~beta3-1ubuntu6
  Candidate: 1.97~beta3-1ubuntu6
  Version table:
 *** 1.97~beta3-1ubuntu6 0

Which, according to this, seems to be the latest?
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2

And of course I no longer have menu.lst, but /boot/grub/grub.cfg 
/etc/default/grub etc., as well.



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Re: Karmic Alpha 6/Beta

2009-10-02 Thread NoOp
On 10/02/2009 09:50 AM, NoOp wrote:
 On 10/02/2009 07:51 AM, Siegfried-A. Gevatter wrote:
 2009/10/2 David Curtis dcur...@uniserve.com:
 If it is true that there are packages/sets of packages that will not
 get installed through 'apt-get dist-upgrade' during the development
 cycle
 
 GRUB 2 is a special case. It is only (automatically) installed on a
 clean install, and not on upgrades, given the risk of this operation.
 
 
 On my fully updated Alpha 6, I'm showing:
 
 $ apt-cache policy grub-common
 grub-common:
   Installed: 1.97~beta3-1ubuntu6
   Candidate: 1.97~beta3-1ubuntu6
   Version table:
  *** 1.97~beta3-1ubuntu6 0
 
 Which, according to this, seems to be the latest?
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2
 
 And of course I no longer have menu.lst, but /boot/grub/grub.cfg 
 /etc/default/grub etc., as well.

Ah... nevermind. I understand the upgrade issue :-)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing

Thanks folks.




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Re: Karmic Alpha 6/Beta

2009-10-02 Thread Patrick Goetz
Siegfried-A. Gevatter wrote:
 GRUB 2 is a special case. It is only (automatically) installed on a
 clean install, and not on upgrades, given the risk of this operation.
 

Speaking of Grub 2, does anyone know if the grub2 automatic boot-through 
to default bug has been fixed?  I posted it on launchpad 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/428570)
but apparently no one has had a chance to look at it.

Although not a big deal for desktop installs, this is a serious PITA for 
server environments, particularly for collocated or dedicated server 
pools where the admin doesn't have access to a console.

If you're using 9.10, server, I suggest you use the work around 
described in the bug report.







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Karmic Alpha 6/Beta

2009-10-01 Thread NoOp

Sorry if this is the wrong list to ask this question. If so, can
someone please point me to the appropriate list? My question:

Can anyone here please advise if karmic Beta is simply a fully updated
Alpa 6?

Answering yes will avoid added server/mirror downloads from
users/testers that already have Alpa 6 (fully updated)  I can post that
information on the Ubuntu users list accordingly.

Answering no   I'll ask someone to explain why and/or provide links to
information that advises the differences. So please asssist with details
if you can.

Thanks,

NoOp (wandering off course from the Ubuntu users list)






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Re: Karmic Alpha 6/Beta

2009-10-01 Thread Luke L
If you've updated ANY of the alphas, you'll have the beta installed.
The only thing I can think of that won't get updated is GRUB,
depending on what updates they've done there.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:44 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Sorry if this is the wrong list to ask this question. If so, can
 someone please point me to the appropriate list? My question:

 Can anyone here please advise if karmic Beta is simply a fully updated
 Alpa 6?

 Answering yes will avoid added server/mirror downloads from
 users/testers that already have Alpa 6 (fully updated)  I can post that
 information on the Ubuntu users list accordingly.

 Answering no   I'll ask someone to explain why and/or provide links to
 information that advises the differences. So please asssist with details
 if you can.

 Thanks,

 NoOp (wandering off course from the Ubuntu users list)






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Re: Karmic Alpha 6/Beta

2009-10-01 Thread David Curtis
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:35:23 -0500
Luke L lukehasnon...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you've updated ANY of the alphas, you'll have the beta installed.
 The only thing I can think of that won't get updated is GRUB,
 depending on what updates they've done there.

snipity

If it is true that there are packages/sets of packages that will not
get installed through 'apt-get dist-upgrade' during the development
cycle, is there a communication method for dev teams to let testers
know if a reinstall or invocation of update-manager is needed to move
from alphaX to alphaX/beta to follow the preferred K/X/Ubuntu package
set?

(Knowing full well that there are daily updates during the devel cycle.)

Dave

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