Re: Default japanese font for Ubuntu 14.04 is wrong
So, if i understand correctly, the problem is that japanese and chinese characters are sharing the same code, and so the system cannot know if we want to display japanese or chinese, so by default, it renders chinese. Is that correct? (If so, an option rendering asian character in japanese/chinese/etc... for non asian system would be nice i guess) I will try your your solution. Thanks ! On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson gunna...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 2014-12-23 14:33, jits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-11-11 22:27, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: On a fresh non-Japanese install, the package fonts-takao-pgothic is available. However, so is the package fonts-droid, and since the Droid Sans Fallback font is kind of 'featured', it probably takes precedence over TakaoPGothic for rendering Japanese contents. Yes, I think it's exactly the problem I have. The Droid Sans Fallback display the kanjis in a very weird way. The TakaoPGothic is rendering the kanjis correctly. (Still, I don't think it is perfect, because, it render them with big space between them). The package ttf-vlgothic (apprently renamed fonts-vlgothic) was installing a very good font. But i don't know the name of this font, so i can not check. What I mean by default font, it is if yes or not the standard shape and number of the strokes in a kanji are respected. If you compar these kanjis (究 乗 降 語 換 違 雑 誌) rendered in Droid Sans Fallback and in TakaoPGothic you will see many small differences. But this differences are actually huge, a japanese person will judge that the kanji is written wrongly. To Gunnar Hjalmarsson and Mitsuya Shibata I would like to have correct rendering of japanese kcharacters without having my full system in Japanese (I'm learning Japanese, but I don't yet understand it) As long as fonts-droid is used for Chinese in the way it is, I can't think of a default configuration right now which would achieve that. Some kind of personal configuration changes will be needed. Also, a solution was given to me by Kazushi on askubuntu.com http://askubuntu.com there http://askubuntu.com/questions/536462/defautl-kanji-japanese-font-wrong-in-ubuntu-14-04-how-to-change-it/537789#537789 (His answer about copying 69-language-selector-ja-jp.conf https://github.com/wzssyqa/language-selector-im-config/blob/master/fontconfig/69-language-selector-ja-jp.conf ) Well, that Ask Ubuntu answer includes a couple of misconceptions, but it indeed provides a couple of solutions. I think that the single step which made fonts-droid interfere with TakaoPGothic (or other Japanese fonts) was the introduction of 65-droid-sans-fallback.conf as a fix of https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227034 Hence another possible solution (provided that you don't care too much about Chinese rendering) might be to either disable that fontconfig file by removing the symlink: sudo rm /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fallback.conf or remove the whole fonts-droid package: sudo apt-get purge fonts-droid (untested) -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default japanese font for Ubuntu 14.04 is wrong
On 2014-12-23 14:33, jits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-11-11 22:27, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: On a fresh non-Japanese install, the package fonts-takao-pgothic is available. However, so is the package fonts-droid, and since the Droid Sans Fallback font is kind of 'featured', it probably takes precedence over TakaoPGothic for rendering Japanese contents. Yes, I think it's exactly the problem I have. The Droid Sans Fallback display the kanjis in a very weird way. The TakaoPGothic is rendering the kanjis correctly. (Still, I don't think it is perfect, because, it render them with big space between them). The package ttf-vlgothic (apprently renamed fonts-vlgothic) was installing a very good font. But i don't know the name of this font, so i can not check. What I mean by default font, it is if yes or not the standard shape and number of the strokes in a kanji are respected. If you compar these kanjis (究 乗 降 語 換 違 雑 誌) rendered in Droid Sans Fallback and in TakaoPGothic you will see many small differences. But this differences are actually huge, a japanese person will judge that the kanji is written wrongly. To Gunnar Hjalmarsson and Mitsuya Shibata I would like to have correct rendering of japanese kcharacters without having my full system in Japanese (I'm learning Japanese, but I don't yet understand it) As long as fonts-droid is used for Chinese in the way it is, I can't think of a default configuration right now which would achieve that. Some kind of personal configuration changes will be needed. Also, a solution was given to me by Kazushi on askubuntu.com http://askubuntu.com there http://askubuntu.com/questions/536462/defautl-kanji-japanese-font-wrong-in-ubuntu-14-04-how-to-change-it/537789#537789 (His answer about copying 69-language-selector-ja-jp.conf https://github.com/wzssyqa/language-selector-im-config/blob/master/fontconfig/69-language-selector-ja-jp.conf) Well, that Ask Ubuntu answer includes a couple of misconceptions, but it indeed provides a couple of solutions. I think that the single step which made fonts-droid interfere with TakaoPGothic (or other Japanese fonts) was the introduction of 65-droid-sans-fallback.conf as a fix of https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227034 Hence another possible solution (provided that you don't care too much about Chinese rendering) might be to either disable that fontconfig file by removing the symlink: sudo rm /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fallback.conf or remove the whole fonts-droid package: sudo apt-get purge fonts-droid (untested) -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default japanese font for Ubuntu 14.04 is wrong
Hello, thanks for your answer, and sorry for my (very) late answer. To Gunnar Hjalmarsson On a fresh non-Japanese install, the package fonts-takao-pgothic is available. However, so is the package fonts-droid, and since the Droid Sans Fallback font is kind of 'featured', it probably takes precedence over TakaoPGothic for rendering Japanese contents. Is that the situation you are talking about? Yes, I think it's exactly the problem I have. The Droid Sans Fallback display the kanjis in a very weird way. The TakaoPGothic is rendering the kanjis correctly. (Still, I don't think it is perfect, because, it render them with big space between them). The package ttf-vlgothic (apprently renamed fonts-vlgothic) was installing a very good font. But i don't know the name of this font, so i can not check. What I mean by default font, it is if yes or not the standard shape and number of the strokes in a kanji are respected. If you compar these kanjis (究 乗 降 語 換 違 雑 誌) rendered in Droid Sans Fallback and in TakaoPGothic you will see many small differences. But this differences are actually huge, a japanese person will judge that the kanji is written wrongly. To Gunnar Hjalmarsson and Mitsuya Shibata I would like to have correct rendering of japanese kcharacters without having my full system in Japanese (I'm learning Japanese, but I don't yet understand it) Also, a solution was given to me by Kazushi on askubuntu.com there http://askubuntu.com/questions/536462/defautl-kanji-japanese-font-wrong-in-ubuntu-14-04-how-to-change-it/537789#537789 (His answer about copying 69-language-selector-ja-jp.conf https://github.com/wzssyqa/language-selector-im-config/blob/master/fontconfig/69-language-selector-ja-jp.conf ) He is, I guess, explaining well the problem. Jitsumi On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson gunna...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi Jitsumo, On 2014-10-13 12:30, jits...@gmail.com wrote: i have the following problem in ubuntu 14.04, and I am hesitating to post a bug repport, but it's maybe better to ask you before. If we conclude that something should be fixed, a bug report is the way to go. Default japanese font for Ubuntu 14.04 is wrong. It's not clear to me what you mean by default here. On a fresh non-Japanese install, the package fonts-takao-pgothic is available. However, so is the package fonts-droid, and since the Droid Sans Fallback font is kind of 'featured', it probably takes precedence over TakaoPGothic for rendering Japanese contents. Is that the situation you are talking about? If you install Japanese, you get fonts-takao-mincho and fonts-takao-gothic in addition to fonts-takao-pgothic, and when Japanese is the selected display language, the system is configured to use Takao fonts. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-takao/003.02.01-9ubuntu2 So can you please clarify which situation you are referring to. -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default japanese font for Ubuntu 14.04 is wrong
Hi Jitsumo, On 2014-10-13 12:30, jits...@gmail.com wrote: i have the following problem in ubuntu 14.04, and I am hesitating to post a bug repport, but it's maybe better to ask you before. If we conclude that something should be fixed, a bug report is the way to go. Default japanese font for Ubuntu 14.04 is wrong. It's not clear to me what you mean by default here. On a fresh non-Japanese install, the package fonts-takao-pgothic is available. However, so is the package fonts-droid, and since the Droid Sans Fallback font is kind of 'featured', it probably takes precedence over TakaoPGothic for rendering Japanese contents. Is that the situation you are talking about? If you install Japanese, you get fonts-takao-mincho and fonts-takao-gothic in addition to fonts-takao-pgothic, and when Japanese is the selected display language, the system is configured to use Takao fonts. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-takao/003.02.01-9ubuntu2 So can you please clarify which situation you are referring to. -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
