Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-12 Thread Andy Rogers
 This is most likely simply a difference between *your* 2.6.29 config and
 the Ubuntu 2.6.28 one - I expect you compiled in many of the drivers
 your computer needed, and omitted those you didn't

 If you used our config, and just tweaked where necessary, I'd be very
 interested to see comparative bootcharts of your machine with 2.6.28 and
 2.6.29

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Hi Scott

I shall have ago at producing some boot charts tonight with comparisons
between the .28  .29 Kernel.

I did not actually produce my own kernal, I used the one from this post
here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6653881postcount=46 adn used
the default 2.6.28 confih which was installed with the updater.

Andy


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Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-11 Thread Surfaz Gemon Meme
2009/2/11 Null Ack null...@gmail.com

 Can I please be advised of why Jaunty will not ship with 2.6.29, and
 that the kernel team has elected to ship on .28?

I think that the main reason is time releases of Ubuntu, there is not
enough time to wait for 2.6.29, test, a fix bugs.

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Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:43:35 +0100 Surfaz Gemon Meme surfa...@gmail.com 
wrote:
2009/2/11 Null Ack null...@gmail.com

 Can I please be advised of why Jaunty will not ship with 2.6.29, and
 that the kernel team has elected to ship on .28?

I think that the main reason is time releases of Ubuntu, there is not
enough time to wait for 2.6.29, test, a fix bugs.

If that's the case, I applaud the kernel team's decision to be less forward 
leaning this time arounf.

Scot K

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Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-11 Thread Surfaz Gemon Meme
I think that the main reason is time releases of Ubuntu, there is not
enough time to wait for 2.6.29, test, a fix bugs.

 If that's the case, I applaud the kernel team's decision to be less forward
 leaning this time arounf.

Sorry, I don't understand you. What I said was only a theory, I do not
know the real reason.

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Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:04:30 +0100 Surfaz Gemon Meme surfa...@gmail.com 
wrote:
I think that the main reason is time releases of Ubuntu, there is not
enough time to wait for 2.6.29, test, a fix bugs.

 If that's the case, I applaud the kernel team's decision to be less 
forward
 leaning this time arounf.

Sorry, I don't understand you. What I said was only a theory, I do not
know the real reason.

Yes.  That's why I said If.

Scott K

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Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-11 Thread Andy Rogers
I think that the main reason is time releases of Ubuntu, there is not
enough time to wait for 2.6.29, test, a fix bugs.


Hi All

Iam new to this kind of discussion thing, only been using Ubuntu for
around 9 months and loving it.  Not really looked back, and only using
Windows for odd things every other month now.

Well my opinion on this was that regarding the time frame didn't 2.6.27
get slipped in at the last minute around Late August/Early September time
for Intrepid and that did not cause any problems.

I have been using the 2.6.29-RC3 Kernel with Januty and found my bootup
time was approx 5 seconds quicker then 2.6.28 Kernel at the time, and
found no issues at the moment.

What other goods reasons are there that we can throw in the pot and put
pressue on the developers to consider using this Kernel.

There is still over 2 1/2 months to got approx before Jaunty is officially
released.

Andy






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Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:45:10 - (UTC) Andy Rogers 
ubu...@andyscomp.f9.co.uk wrote:
I think that the main reason is time releases of Ubuntu, there is not
enough time to wait for 2.6.29, test, a fix bugs.


Hi All

Iam new to this kind of discussion thing, only been using Ubuntu for
around 9 months and loving it.  Not really looked back, and only using
Windows for odd things every other month now.

Well my opinion on this was that regarding the time frame didn't 2.6.27
get slipped in at the last minute around Late August/Early September time
for Intrepid and that did not cause any problems.

I have been using the 2.6.29-RC3 Kernel with Januty and found my bootup
time was approx 5 seconds quicker then 2.6.28 Kernel at the time, and
found no issues at the moment.

What other goods reasons are there that we can throw in the pot and put
pressue on the developers to consider using this Kernel.

There is still over 2 1/2 months to got approx before Jaunty is officially
released.

You've had a very different 2.6.27 experience than I have then.  Two of the 
three machines I 
have running Intrepid here has kernel/firmware realted issues that are 
regressions from Hardy.

All of these experiences tend to be somewhat hardware specific, so everyone 
will see it differently.

Scott K

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Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-11 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 05:45:10AM EST, Andy Rogers wrote:
 What other goods reasons are there that we can throw in the pot and put
 pressue on the developers to consider using this Kernel.
 
 There is still over 2 1/2 months to got approx before Jaunty is officially
 released.

There may be a couple of months or so till release, however we go into feature 
freeze a week from today, and from then on, we focus on bug fixing. I don't 
relish an already busy kernel team's workload if the kernel was to be pushed up 
to 2.6.29 at this late hour. I don't even relish their workload now, they have 
enough to contend with as it is.

Luke


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Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-11 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 08:16:16AM EST, Dan Chen wrote:
 2.6.29 brings a newer alsa-kernel bump with a corresponding requisite 
 userspace alsa-lib bump, which is not quite wise given testing time 
 constraints.
 
 The above example is but one thing to consider. While you are always Free to 
 use your own kernel, if you do, you should be cognizant of the potential 
 ripple in userspace requirements.

Not to mention other kernelspace - userspace bumps like DVB, and the possible 
breakage of proprietary video drivers in some instances.

Luke


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Re: Reasons Why Jaunty Will Not Ship With 2.6.29

2009-02-11 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 18:45 +, Andy Rogers wrote:

 I have been using the 2.6.29-RC3 Kernel with Januty and found my bootup
 time was approx 5 seconds quicker then 2.6.28 Kernel at the time, and
 found no issues at the moment.
 
This is most likely simply a difference between *your* 2.6.29 config and
the Ubuntu 2.6.28 one - I expect you compiled in many of the drivers
your computer needed, and omitted those you didn't

If you used our config, and just tweaked where necessary, I'd be very
interested to see comparative bootcharts of your machine with 2.6.28 and
2.6.29

Scott
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