Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
Hi. AFAIK, even Chrome has disabled most tracking stuff per default (except those things which FF/etc. do too). With chromium, it was regarded to be a (reportable) bug if anything that is privacy sensitive could not be disabled, IIRC. And regarding Iron,... the following might be interesting: http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html Cheers, Chris. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
Il 18/05/2010 19:12, Ryan Oram ha scritto: Chrome Incognito Tracks Visited Sites http://www.lewiz.org/2010/05/chrome-incognito-tracks-visited-sites.html I just backported upstream commit that fixes this huge privacy killer bug... This seems to be becoming a theme. As Chromium has much of the same privacy issues as Chrome (SRWare Iron is made from Chromium and the code is striped from Chromium), this feature is surely in Chromium as well. I find this completely unacceptable. Please report[1] these privacy issues more explicitly than referring to a related blog post. [1]http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting Cheers, Giuseppe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
I can't start a SRWare PPA immediately as they haven't released updated source code in some time (probably due to neglience if anything). Thanks, Ryan If you believe there are serious concerns with the current chromium package just file bugs, why fork when you can fix it ? Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Joao Pinto joao.pi...@getdeb.net wrote: I can't start a SRWare PPA immediately as they haven't released updated source code in some time (probably due to neglience if anything). Thanks, Ryan If you believe there are serious concerns with the current chromium package just file bugs, why fork when you can fix it ? Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net I didn't realize how sketchy Iron was. Mailing lists are a good bug testing device for proposals (if only it didn't get emailed to everyone... :P). You live and learn I guess (and I did). I filed a bug upstream to make the DNS pre-caching and URL/search suggestions in Chromium opt-in: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=44527 Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
Chrome Incognito Tracks Visited Sites http://www.lewiz.org/2010/05/chrome-incognito-tracks-visited-sites.html This seems to be becoming a theme. As Chromium has much of the same privacy issues as Chrome (SRWare Iron is made from Chromium and the code is striped from Chromium), this feature is surely in Chromium as well. I find this completely unacceptable. Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Ryan Oram r...@infinityos.net wrote: Chrome Incognito Tracks Visited Sites http://www.lewiz.org/2010/05/chrome-incognito-tracks-visited-sites.html This seems to be becoming a theme. As Chromium has much of the same privacy issues as Chrome (SRWare Iron is made from Chromium and the code is striped from Chromium), this feature is surely in Chromium as well. I find this completely unacceptable. Thanks, Ryan The above seems to be an oversight on Google's part. But the fact that it hasn't been fixed, despite being known for over a month, is a good indicator that Google isn't too concerned about privacy... Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
Shut up. You're whining like a raving politicized lune and nobody is listening to your monologue. Apply some critical thinking skills. It's a bug in a special mode of a browser, a mode that doesn't store history/cookies. It's not (known to be) sharing anything with the 'net, so it's innocuous as known. Nobody can agree on if it even works; or if it does, if it works between sessions. I suppose when a cloud goes in front of the sun you panic and look up to check if the sun is dying. On May 18, 2010 1:24 PM, Ryan Oram r...@infinityos.net wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Ryan Oram r...@infinityos.net wrote: Chrome Incognito Tracks V... The above seems to be an oversight on Google's part. But the fact that it hasn't been fixed, despite being known for over a month, is a good indicator that Google isn't too concerned about privacy... Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify se... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
Don't hold back, John. Tell us how you really feel. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:30 PM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: Shut up. You're whining like a raving politicized lune and nobody is listening to your monologue. Apply some critical thinking skills. It's a bug in a special mode of a browser, a mode that doesn't store history/cookies. It's not (known to be) sharing anything with the 'net, so it's innocuous as known. Nobody can agree on if it even works; or if it does, if it works between sessions. I suppose when a cloud goes in front of the sun you panic and look up to check if the sun is dying. On May 18, 2010 1:24 PM, Ryan Oram r...@infinityos.net wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Ryan Oram r...@infinityos.net wrote: Chrome Incognito Tracks V... The above seems to be an oversight on Google's part. But the fact that it hasn't been fixed, despite being known for over a month, is a good indicator that Google isn't too concerned about privacy... Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify se... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:30 PM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: Shut up. You're whining like a raving politicized lune and nobody is listening to your monologue. Apply some critical thinking skills. It's a bug in a special mode of a browser, a mode that doesn't store history/cookies. It's not (known to be) sharing anything with the 'net, so it's innocuous as known. Nobody can agree on if it even works; or if it does, if it works between sessions. I suppose when a cloud goes in front of the sun you panic and look up to check if the sun is dying. Towards the end, everyone was picking up the bug. Yes, it's a little detail. But it's one that can be be easily picked up by any trojan or tracking software. It completely defeats the purpose of the Incognito mode, which is to prevent any of this information to be stored. Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
On 18 May 2010 01:15, Ryan Oram r...@infinityos.net wrote: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php This should become a full open source project with a community behind it. With Mozilla disregarding H.264, the community needs a full browser capable of H.264 video playback without the privacy issues of Chrome. Unless things have changed, Chromium does not include the tracking features of the branded Chrome. Hence, Chromium is fine. Plus it has the benefit of already being a full open source project. We need to Iceweasel Chromium. Why? Are there distribution restrictions on Chromium? In any event, Ubuntu distributes Firefox. Maybe talk to Debian? I'm willing to put the infinityOS team behind this, So you and one other? but I would like the help and support of the Ubuntu community. To build and package Chromium? That's already being done for Maverick, and there are PPA channels for Release, Beta and Daily builds. Thanks, Ryan Good luck. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Jonathon Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: Unless things have changed, Chromium does not include the tracking features of the branded Chrome. Hence, Chromium is fine. Plus it has the benefit of already being a full open source project. It doesn't include everything, but it does include a lot of it. This is outlined on the SRWare website. SRWare went through and removed all of the offending code, so perhaps it would be best if Ubuntu/Debian went and talked to them about officially packaging SRWare Iron for inclusion into the Ubuntu and Debian distributions. SRWare Iron has released source code as well, although it appears to be out of date. Why? Are there distribution restrictions on Chromium? In any event, Ubuntu distributes Firefox. Maybe talk to Debian? I've posted this on the debian-devel mailing list as well. This was posted out of a concern that Canoncial is thinking about switching over to Chromium in later releases as Lubuntu has done already. I have seen articles of this possibility as well. I don't feel making Chromium the default browser is appropriate until the privacy issues are addressed. I also feel that taking care these issues before a switch to Chromium is even seriously considered is beneficial to everyone. I'm willing to put the infinityOS team behind this, So you and one other? I have a team of about 5 people at the moment. My team is certainly small, which would prevent us from taking a more central role in such a project, but we would be more than willing to help package it and test it. but I would like the help and support of the Ubuntu community. To build and package Chromium? That's already being done for Maverick, and there are PPA channels for Release, Beta and Daily builds. As infinityOS is based on the Ubuntu codebase and will stay that way, whatever benefits Ubuntu will benefit infinityOS as well. As I have said in prior posts, we intend to give back whatever we take. We have an obligation to contribute to the Ubuntu community, as infinityOS would not be possible without its great amount of work. We would be more than willing to assist in a project to alleviate the privacy concerns of Chromium. Good luck. Thank you, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
I've posted this on the debian-devel mailing list as well. This was posted out of a concern that Canoncial is thinking about switching over to Chromium in later releases as Lubuntu has done already. I have seen articles of this possibility as well. I don't feel making Chromium the default browser is appropriate until the privacy issues are addressed. I also feel that taking care these issues before a switch to Chromium is even seriously considered is beneficial to everyone. Given that the privacy concerns have been neatly documented[1] by Google including instructions on disabling the offending features, I can't shake the doubt that they could ever be addressed in some peoples' opinions. [1] http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=114836hl=en-GB Granted, I may just be ill informed. Is there some detail being missed in that document? It's not that I have anything against Iron, of course, though I am slightly wary of their website and apparent lack of a source repository. Doesn't feel brilliantly maintained. Maybe they just need a gentle nudge in Launchpad's direction. With regards to packaging, there is a Launchpad PPA with daily builds of Chromium, so they surely have sorted out any installation and packaging quirks in that source repository. Perhaps you can get a diff with Iron's changes, and if you're incredibly lucky it'll apply smoothly. Could save you some work :) Dylan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
On 19 May 2010 00:49, Dylan McCall dylanmcc...@gmail.com wrote: I've posted this on the debian-devel mailing list as well. This was posted out of a concern that Canoncial is thinking about switching over to Chromium in later releases as Lubuntu has done already. I have seen articles of this possibility as well. I don't feel making Chromium the default browser is appropriate until the privacy issues are addressed. I also feel that taking care these issues before a switch to Chromium is even seriously considered is beneficial to everyone. Given that the privacy concerns have been neatly documented[1] by Google including instructions on disabling the offending features, I can't shake the doubt that they could ever be addressed in some peoples' opinions. [1] http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=114836hl=en-GB Note this link above is about Google Chrome not about Chromium. Chromium doesn't have that. Granted, I may just be ill informed. Is there some detail being missed in that document? It's not that I have anything against Iron, of course, though I am slightly wary of their website and apparent lack of a source repository. Doesn't feel brilliantly maintained. Maybe they just need a gentle nudge in Launchpad's direction. With regards to packaging, there is a Launchpad PPA with daily builds of Chromium, so they surely have sorted out any installation and packaging quirks in that source repository. Perhaps you can get a diff with Iron's changes, and if you're incredibly lucky it'll apply smoothly. Could save you some work :) The chromium daily builds ppa is more accuratly should be described as a mini-fork it has spliced chromium tree almost in half and throughout out loads of junk (embedded copies of libraries being the most significant part). My personal opinion is that current chromium daily builds ppa (which is maintained by a few folks including some that do mozilla for ubuntu) is far more secure and stable in terms of packaging and integration with Ubuntu Debian _and_ it doesn't have google goggles spying users. At UDS it has been discussed to switch Ubuntu Netbook Remix to Chromium for Maverick. Dylan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Dylan McCall dylanmcc...@gmail.com wrote: I've posted this on the debian-devel mailing list as well. This was posted out of a concern that Canoncial is thinking about switching over to Chromium in later releases as Lubuntu has done already. I have seen articles of this possibility as well. I don't feel making Chromium the default browser is appropriate until the privacy issues are addressed. I also feel that taking care these issues before a switch to Chromium is even seriously considered is beneficial to everyone. Given that the privacy concerns have been neatly documented[1] by Google including instructions on disabling the offending features, I can't shake the doubt that they could ever be addressed in some peoples' opinions. [1] http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=114836hl=en-GB Granted, I may just be ill informed. Is there some detail being missed in that document? It's not that I have anything against Iron, of course, though I am slightly wary of their website and apparent lack of a source repository. Doesn't feel brilliantly maintained. Maybe they just need a gentle nudge in Launchpad's direction. With regards to packaging, there is a Launchpad PPA with daily builds of Chromium, so they surely have sorted out any installation and packaging quirks in that source repository. Perhaps you can get a diff with Iron's changes, and if you're incredibly lucky it'll apply smoothly. Could save you some work :) Dylan A Launchpad PPA of SRWare Iron would solve all my concerns. Also, quite a few of the issues could be resolved by disabling certain features in Chromium by default. This includes disabling the URL suggestion features and the DNS pre-fetching features. These features are best left as opt-in IMO. Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs dmitrij.led...@ubuntu.com wrote: The chromium daily builds ppa is more accuratly should be described as a mini-fork it has spliced chromium tree almost in half and throughout out loads of junk (embedded copies of libraries being the most significant part). My personal opinion is that current chromium daily builds ppa (which is maintained by a few folks including some that do mozilla for ubuntu) is far more secure and stable in terms of packaging and integration with Ubuntu Debian _and_ it doesn't have google goggles spying users. I am extremely happy to see that Ubuntu is already taking direct steps to alleviate many of these concerns. However, consulting with SRWare to see what excatly they removed from Chromium (as their website is admittingly quite vague) and applying some of their changes as well to the builds would be a good additional step. Leaving the features I mentioned before as opt-in (suggestions and DNS-prefetching) would be a good idea as well. Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
accidently hit reply instead of sending to the list...whoops... I think some of you would be interested in reading this page that (allegedly) documents some of the (allegedly) somewhat shady beginnings of Iron: http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html If this information is correct, then I heavily question that Iron is a worthwhile project/fork at all, as opposed to being a way to garner publicity and money from fear mongering and (amusingly enough) Google advertisements on their web page. --Dane -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs dmitrij.led...@ubuntu.com wrote: Just do it !!! Ubuntu has chromium maintainers already. Start your own SRWare ppa. And please stop spamming ubuntu debian mailing list. You were already asked once to stop this non-sence. When you have constructive packaging suggestions either submit branches for merge-proposals or submit new packages via REVU. I'll look into it in about a week. Such a project is a bit big for the infinityOS team, which is why I posted it here (and on the Debian mailling list) in the first place. I can't start a SRWare PPA immediately as they haven't released updated source code in some time (probably due to neglience if anything). Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Dane Mutters dmutt...@gmail.com wrote: I think some of you would be interested in reading this page that (allegedly) documents some of the (allegedly) somewhat shady beginnings of Iron: http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html If this information is correct, then I heavily question that Iron is a worthwhile project/fork at all, as opposed to being a way to garner publicity and money from fear mongering and (amusingly enough) Google advertisements on their web page. --Dane I wasn't aware of this. Thank you for the link. Thanks, Ryan PS I still feel, however, the features I mentioned before be made opt-in. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
Ryan Oram r...@infinityos.net wrote: A Launchpad PPA of SRWare Iron would solve all my concerns. Fortunately those are open to everyone so you are able to scratch your own itch. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php This should become a full open source project with a community behind it. With Mozilla disregarding H.264, the community needs a full browser capable of H.264 video playback without the privacy issues of Chrome. We need to Iceweasel Chromium. I'm willing to put the infinityOS team behind this, but I would like the help and support of the Ubuntu community. Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
