Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Caroline Ford]

2008/9/30 Tony Yarusso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'll certainly add a vote against the new logout dialogue stuff.
> Honestly, until I remembered this sort of thing being discussed in the
> past I couldn't figure out how to shut down, since I haven't used the
> System menu to do so for so long.  (Incidentally the button doesn't
> actually work for me and I have to use a command, but that's a
> different issue.)  Six buttons together may look cluttered to some,
> but it's still less cluttered than six buttons spread across two
> different places, with no apparent connection between the two.

I think this may be more broken in netbook remix (which doesn't seem
to be under development in intrepid see
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix-launcher/+bug/272637).
I'd love it if the netbook remix packages were part of the same
development cycle as the rest of the distro..

In netbook remix the only way of shutting down is to use the icon,
which just allows you to log off. You then need to use the options
menu in gdm to actually close down. This is very annoying, especially
for these machines which ahve short battery lives when you just want
to close it quickly.

I'm worried this will be the release that people don't know how to turn off!

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Vincenzo Ciancia]

Il giorno mer, 01/10/2008 alle 00.37 -0500, Ted Gould ha scritto:
> 
> The only thing that I think is somewhat reasonable is adding a "It's
> complex..." item that would pop up a dialog that would allow for
> setting
> the status.  Doesn't seem very clean though.

What about using an enhanced widged instead of a menu? Think e.g. of the
aspect of deskbar in intrepid, you can indeed type into it but it
behaves as a menu. You could add status entries above the text box or
even have two buttons, one to open the status text entry and one to set
a given status from a list, also containing recent status messages.

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Ted Gould]

On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 18:53 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> By the way, you cant enter text for the status either with the 
> current implementation.

Yeah.  Looking for a good way to do that.  Popping up a dialog on every
change is too disruptive.  A text area inside the menu seems, well,
crazy.

The only thing that I think is somewhat reasonable is adding a "It's
complex..." item that would pop up a dialog that would allow for setting
the status.  Doesn't seem very clean though.

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Ted Gould]

On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:16 -0500, Tony Yarusso wrote:
> As for status updates and the like, I've long wished things were more
> integrated.  (See
> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gaim-calendar-auto-aways
> for one of my ideas that still isn't implemented.)  

I see where you're going there... but I haven't decided if that would be
a little... spooky.  I'm not sure how much control I'd want my day
planer having over my IM status.

That being said, that's a feature for Evolution.  Now that telepathy has
been blessed as a GNOME dependency it is something they could add.  I'd
recommend discussing that upstream with the Evolution developers.  If
Evolution was to set the presence in Telepathy the applet would respond
correctly.

> Besides just
> Pidgin and Empathy, it would be nice if there was something I could
> hook into through other means, such as an irssi script, so that
> absolutely everything could be connected.  Make there be ways to hook
> up ping.fm, twitter, and identi.ca to it.  Make it connected to
> hamster-applet activities.  You get the idea - have a truly central
> place for this information, since it's increasingly being used in
> different ways.

While I think those are all interesting, and exciting possibilities, I
think they'd probably be better implemented as Telepathy plugins rather
than features of the applet.  Well, I don't know about irssi scripts,
but everything else :)

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Chris Coulson]

On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 20:26 -0500, Luke L wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Danny Piccirillo
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this up or if there's
> > already an existing thread about it, but i don't see why all the shutdown
> > options are now separated from the logout options and in the users switcher
> > along with IM status changer even though the IM client already has it's own
> > which is displayed in addition when it's running anyways.
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> THANK YOU for bringing this up! Hardy's functionality w.r.t. the
> logout/suspend/hibernate/shutdown/switch was quicker and better
> looking. I know the separate screens are how upstream does it, but
> that doesn't make it better. I would REALLY like to see this changed
> back to the way it was.
> 
> As far as the gnome-status thing changing Pidgin/Empathy statuses, I
> don't personally mind, though I don't really care for it. I can see
> where it causes problems more than it solves them.
> 
> I have system sounds turned off... heh.
> 
> Again, PLEASE change the logout button back.
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> 
Luke,

gnome-session underwent a re-write for Intrepid, which meant that the
old (Hardy) patch to provide the single session-dialog no longer worked
(leaving us with the separate upstream dialogs) You might want to check
out
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/251211
to understand why the situation has remained this way.

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Tony Yarusso]

I'll certainly add a vote against the new logout dialogue stuff.
Honestly, until I remembered this sort of thing being discussed in the
past I couldn't figure out how to shut down, since I haven't used the
System menu to do so for so long.  (Incidentally the button doesn't
actually work for me and I have to use a command, but that's a
different issue.)  Six buttons together may look cluttered to some,
but it's still less cluttered than six buttons spread across two
different places, with no apparent connection between the two.

As for status updates and the like, I've long wished things were more
integrated.  (See
https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gaim-calendar-auto-aways
for one of my ideas that still isn't implemented.)  Besides just
Pidgin and Empathy, it would be nice if there was something I could
hook into through other means, such as an irssi script, so that
absolutely everything could be connected.  Make there be ways to hook
up ping.fm, twitter, and identi.ca to it.  Make it connected to
hamster-applet activities.  You get the idea - have a truly central
place for this information, since it's increasingly being used in
different ways.  And I'd still love to see someone jump on hooking up
Evolution, Thunderbird, and Google calendars to it.  :)

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[(``-_-´´) -- Fernando]

Olá Ted e a todos.

On Tuesday 30 September 2008 16:58:42 Ted Gould wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:53 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> > On Monday 29 September 2008 18:12:29 Ted Gould wrote:
> > > It will report the most available of the two on the panel.  Setting it
> > > on the menu will set both to the same value.  A problem?  Perhaps.  A
> > > very minor use case, definitely.  What should it do?  (too late for
> > > Intrepid, but we can talk for Jaunty)
> > 
> > Thats easy then:
> > For Jaunty, if FUSA detects more then one app that it needs to change 
> > the status, make a new side-drop pannel for each app, and set the 
> > status there.
> 
> That would make it difficult to say "I'm going to lunch" to all your IM
> contacts at once.  You'd have to do it once for each app.

Lol. okay, you are picky.
This is a bit of more UI work, but take a look at how "MyStatusBar" plugin work 
on Pidgin. It expands a status box for each account, and a general status bar 
that changes all other.
But now, I see no easy way to do it on an applet.

By the way, you cant enter text for the status either with the current 
implementation.

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Ted Gould]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:53 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> On Monday 29 September 2008 18:12:29 Ted Gould wrote:
> > It will report the most available of the two on the panel.  Setting it
> > on the menu will set both to the same value.  A problem?  Perhaps.  A
> > very minor use case, definitely.  What should it do?  (too late for
> > Intrepid, but we can talk for Jaunty)
> 
> Thats easy then:
> For Jaunty, if FUSA detects more then one app that it needs to change 
> the status, make a new side-drop pannel for each app, and set the 
> status there.

That would make it difficult to say "I'm going to lunch" to all your IM
contacts at once.  You'd have to do it once for each app.

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[(``-_-´´) -- Fernando]

Olá Ted e a todos.

On Monday 29 September 2008 18:12:29 Ted Gould wrote:
> It will report the most available of the two on the panel.  Setting it
> on the menu will set both to the same value.  A problem?  Perhaps.  A
> very minor use case, definitely.  What should it do?  (too late for
> Intrepid, but we can talk for Jaunty)

Thats easy then:
For Jaunty, if FUSA detects more then one app that it needs to change the 
status, make a new side-drop pannel for each app, and set the status there.

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Mackenzie Morgan]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 17:52 +0100, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?
(``-=5F-=B4=B4)_--_Fernando _ wrote:
> Olá Mackenzie e a todos.
> 
> On Monday 29 September 2008 01:55:08 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > The only thing that really bugs me about it is
> > that power-related options aren't shown (only logout/switch user) when
> > you hit the power button and it's set on "ask me," but there are bugs
> > about that filed already.
> 
> Bugs me too.
> Do you know the LP id?
> I cant find it.

252795
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/252795

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Ted Gould]

On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 21:07 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 20:44 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Przemysław Kulczycki
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Danny Piccirillo pisze:
> >
> > > I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring
> this up or
> > if there's
> > > already an existing thread about it, but i don't
> see why all
> > the shutdown
> > > options are now separated from the logout options
> and in the
> > users switcher
> > > along with IM status changer even though the IM
> client
> > already has it's own
> > > which is displayed in addition when it's running
> anyways.
>
> I think the plan is for the FUSA to replace the Pidgin tray
> icon and the
> logout button, but I don't know for sure.  Right now it's in
> transition.
> Might also be so that the battery icon's suspend/hibernate
> functionality
> can be removed (so unprivileged users can't suspend the system
> from it).
> Again, just speculating.  The only thing that really bugs me
> about it is
> that power-related options aren't shown (only logout/switch
> user) when
> you hit the power button and it's set on "ask me," but there
> are bugs
> about that filed already.
> 
> It does it to empathy as well as pidgin. What is someone for some
> reason decided to use empathy for jabber and pidgin for aim and wanted
> to set the statuses independently of one another. Wouldn't this thing
> make that a problem? 

It will report the most available of the two on the panel.  Setting it
on the menu will set both to the same value.  A problem?  Perhaps.  A
very minor use case, definitely.  What should it do?  (too late for
Intrepid, but we can talk for Jaunty)

The goal is to start providing more core functionality in the panel
itself instead of having applications provide it.  The idea being that
we can provide a better global experience if we can unify and
consolidate actions into the panel rather than relying on each
application to do it itself.

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[(``-_-´´) -- Fernando]

Olá Danny e a todos.

On Monday 29 September 2008 02:07:47 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> It does it to empathy as well as pidgin. What is someone for some reason
> decided to use empathy for jabber and pidgin for aim and wanted to set the
> statuses independently of one another. Wouldn't this thing make that a
> problem?

Yeah that had cross my mind, since I have both open at the same time.
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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[(``-_-´´) -- Fernando]

Olá Mackenzie e a todos.

On Monday 29 September 2008 01:55:08 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> The only thing that really bugs me about it is
> that power-related options aren't shown (only logout/switch user) when
> you hit the power button and it's set on "ask me," but there are bugs
> about that filed already.

Bugs me too.
Do you know the LP id?
I cant find it.
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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Luke L]

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Danny Piccirillo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this up or if there's
> already an existing thread about it, but i don't see why all the shutdown
> options are now separated from the logout options and in the users switcher
> along with IM status changer even though the IM client already has it's own
> which is displayed in addition when it's running anyways.
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THANK YOU for bringing this up! Hardy's functionality w.r.t. the
logout/suspend/hibernate/shutdown/switch was quicker and better
looking. I know the separate screens are how upstream does it, but
that doesn't make it better. I would REALLY like to see this changed
back to the way it was.

As far as the gnome-status thing changing Pidgin/Empathy statuses, I
don't personally mind, though I don't really care for it. I can see
where it causes problems more than it solves them.

I have system sounds turned off... heh.

Again, PLEASE change the logout button back.
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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

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On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 21:07 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:

> 
> 
> Which is default now?  New Wave?  That seems to be an
> extremely popular
> one among testers.
> 
> Hm, not sure how this happened but if i look at the filename it's
> warty-final-ubuntu. Perhaps this was an accident? 

The wallpapers are always named that for some reason.  Is the default
theme NewHuman or New Wave though?  That could at least answer the login
theme question, I think...  And I liked Hardy's wallpaper better...but
not the one it released with.  The alpha 3 one.  Different strokes for
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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Danny Piccirillo]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 20:44 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Przemysław Kulczycki
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Danny Piccirillo pisze:
> >
> > > I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this up or
> > if there's
> > > already an existing thread about it, but i don't see why all
> > the shutdown
> > > options are now separated from the logout options and in the
> > users switcher
> > > along with IM status changer even though the IM client
> > already has it's own
> > > which is displayed in addition when it's running anyways.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I also find it annoying. What's the rationale for such a
> > change?
> >
> >
> > --
> > ## Przemysław Kulczycki <<>> Azrael Nightwalker ##
> > # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a #
> > ### www: 
> > http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/###
> >
> >
> > Does anybody know?
>
> I think the plan is for the FUSA to replace the Pidgin tray icon and the
> logout button, but I don't know for sure.  Right now it's in transition.
> Might also be so that the battery icon's suspend/hibernate functionality
> can be removed (so unprivileged users can't suspend the system from it).
> Again, just speculating.  The only thing that really bugs me about it is
> that power-related options aren't shown (only logout/switch user) when
> you hit the power button and it's set on "ask me," but there are bugs
> about that filed already.


It does it to empathy as well as pidgin. What is someone for some reason
decided to use empathy for jabber and pidgin for aim and wanted to set the
statuses independently of one another. Wouldn't this thing make that a
problem?

> What is going on? Have you seen the new default wallpaper and login
> > for intrepid? It's hideous!
>
> Which is default now?  New Wave?  That seems to be an extremely popular
> one among testers.


Hm, not sure how this happened but if i look at the filename it's
warty-final-ubuntu. Perhaps this was an accident?

> The new system sounds aren't great but i guess it's better than before
>
> I like that they're short & sweet.  The drums one took too long to
> finish playing.  Dapper's login sound is still my favourite though
> (twinkly!).
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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Mackenzie Morgan]

On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 20:44 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Przemysław Kulczycki
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Danny Piccirillo pisze:
> 
> > I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this up or
> if there's
> > already an existing thread about it, but i don't see why all
> the shutdown
> > options are now separated from the logout options and in the
> users switcher
> > along with IM status changer even though the IM client
> already has it's own
> > which is displayed in addition when it's running anyways.
> 
> 
> Yes, I also find it annoying. What's the rationale for such a
> change?
> 
> 
> --
> ## Przemysław Kulczycki <<>> Azrael Nightwalker ##
> # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a #
> ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ###
> 
> 
> Does anybody know? 

I think the plan is for the FUSA to replace the Pidgin tray icon and the
logout button, but I don't know for sure.  Right now it's in transition.
Might also be so that the battery icon's suspend/hibernate functionality
can be removed (so unprivileged users can't suspend the system from it).
Again, just speculating.  The only thing that really bugs me about it is
that power-related options aren't shown (only logout/switch user) when
you hit the power button and it's set on "ask me," but there are bugs
about that filed already.

> What is going on? Have you seen the new default wallpaper and login
> for intrepid? It's hideous! 

Which is default now?  New Wave?  That seems to be an extremely popular
one among testers.

> The new system sounds aren't great but i guess it's better than before

I like that they're short & sweet.  The drums one took too long to
finish playing.  Dapper's login sound is still my favourite though
(twinkly!).

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Re: User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Danny Piccirillo]

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Przemysław Kulczycki <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Danny Piccirillo pisze:
> > I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this up or if there's
> > already an existing thread about it, but i don't see why all the shutdown
> > options are now separated from the logout options and in the users
> switcher
> > along with IM status changer even though the IM client already has it's
> own
> > which is displayed in addition when it's running anyways.
>
> Yes, I also find it annoying. What's the rationale for such a change?
>
>
> --
> ## Przemysław Kulczycki <<>> Azrael Nightwalker ##
> # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a #
> ### www: 
> http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/###
>
>
Does anybody know?

What is going on? Have you seen the new default wallpaper and login for
intrepid? It's hideous!

The new system sounds aren't great but i guess it's better than before
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User Switcher, Shutdown Options, IM Status

[Danny Piccirillo]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this up or if there's
already an existing thread about it, but i don't see why all the shutdown
options are now separated from the logout options and in the users switcher
along with IM status changer even though the IM client already has it's own
which is displayed in addition when it's running anyways.
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