Fwd: nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ?
1°) Jerone Young said "This nm-applet is also for configuration changes. So while you may have a staic ip you may want to change it. Or maybe you decide to start using DHCP. This will allow you to easily see your ip address" Actually you can have that configuration thing with an applet : see Tomboy applet or Glipper applet which can easily be accessed since it remains on the panel (but not in the notification area) look at this picture http://bp3.blogger.com/_TWgeucLxjj0/R-UzbI4sA0I/A1Q/8BIbhavAlxo/s1600-h/fricorder.png : Tomboy applet is always visible as an applet (top right of the screen), not in notification area 2°) Jerone Young said "I actually think it makes since and eases network configuration for everyone" You can say that for everything and then place all programs in notification area i guess. Maybe that should therefore be renamed into the "configuration area" ;-) nm-applet is an applet and notification area is for notification. Therefore the "bug" seems pretty obvious to me. Please, read again that HIG quote "The utility of the notification area decreases rapidly when more than about four icons are always present. For this reason, icons that appear only temporarily in response to events are preferable." That seems to be a good principle to me. Besides, the problem not only concerns nm-applet, it concerns the whole system. If nm-applet starts to stuck in notification area, all programs will do the same. I guess this is why HIG stand for Thank you -- Forwarded message -- From: thibaut bethune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 22 mars 2008 04:48 Subject: nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ? To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com I'm running Hardy beta. Since Ubuntu 7.04 the network manager icon is stuck in my top panel. I don't see the interest of having such an icon in notification area since the icon never changes on my system (but i have no wireless connection) Therefore i wander if network manager should not be an applet instead of cluttering the notification area : actually network manager icon doesn't notify anything (it acts in a manner quite similar to Tomboy which is an applet. Besides it is called nm-applet !). Having network manager as an applet doesn't mean that it can't display ponctual pieces of information in notification area when needed (poping up a small transient "balloon" attached to a notification icon). for reference, here is the GNOME HIG quote : "Using the Status Notification Area Using the status notification area applications can notify the user of non-critical events (for example, arrival of new email, or a chat 'buddy' having logged on), and expose the status of active system processes (for example, a printing document, or a laptop's battery charging). The utility of the notification area decreases rapidly when more than about four icons are always present. For this reason, icons that appear only temporarily in response to events are preferable." http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/desktop-notification-area.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ?
Zitat von thibaut bethune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Therefore i wander if network manager should not be an applet instead > of cluttering the notification area : actually network manager icon > doesn't notify anything (it acts in a manner quite similar to Tomboy > which is an applet. Besides it is called nm-applet !). AFAIK the decision to use the notification area was made since there is a standard for it on all desktop systems. So you can use the nm-applet in XFCE, GNOME and KDE. NM is not developed in the Ubuntu framework. You should contact the developers for such deep change requests. Cheers, Sebastian This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ?
On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 13:06 -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: > Phil Housley wrote on 2006-03-01: (permalink) > > As far as I can remember the reasons for nm-applet not being an applet: > * It has to appear as needed, which an applet can't. And it *should* only appear as needed. At the moment it's present all the time—I don't think “yes, your wired connection *is* still working as usual” is noteworthy enough for a notification. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ?
On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 19:40 -0700, Jerone Young wrote: > This nm-applet is also for configuration changes. Configuration's supposed to be done from the System menu, isn't it? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ?
This nm-applet is also for configuration changes. So while you may have a staic ip you may want to change it. Or maybe you decide to start using DHCP. This will allow you to easily see your ip address. But if you just do not want the network manager applet showing up in your applet bar. Then go into prefrences->sessions . Under "Startup Programs" look for "Network Manager". Uncheck it and relog in. It will then be gone from your applet area. But honestly this is not a bug. This is something that everyone has agreed on. I actually think it makes since and eases network configuration for everyone. On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:48 PM, thibaut bethune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm running Hardy beta. Since Ubuntu 7.04 the network manager icon is > stuck in my top panel. > > I don't see the interest of having such an icon in notification area > since the icon never changes on my system (but i have no wireless > connection) > > Therefore i wander if network manager should not be an applet instead > of cluttering the notification area : actually network manager icon > doesn't notify anything (it acts in a manner quite similar to Tomboy > which is an applet. Besides it is called nm-applet !). > > Having network manager as an applet doesn't mean that it can't display > ponctual pieces of information in notification area when needed > (poping up a small transient "balloon" attached to a notification > icon). > > for reference, here is the GNOME HIG quote : > > "Using the Status Notification Area > > Using the status notification area applications can notify the user of > non-critical events (for example, arrival of new email, or a chat > 'buddy' having logged on), and expose the status of active system > processes (for example, a printing document, or a laptop's battery > charging). > > The utility of the notification area decreases rapidly when more than > about four icons are always present. For this reason, icons that > appear only temporarily in response to events are preferable." > > > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/desktop-notification-area.html > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ?
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 9:48 PM, thibaut bethune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Therefore i wander if network manager should not be an applet instead > of cluttering the notification area : actually network manager icon > doesn't notify anything (it acts in a manner quite similar to Tomboy > which is an applet. Besides it is called nm-applet !). I think this is Bug #23376 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/23376 But its been marked as "Invalid". Some reasoning from the comments: --- Phil Housley wrote on 2006-03-01: (permalink) As far as I can remember the reasons for nm-applet not being an applet: * It has to appear as needed, which an applet can't. * The notification area is the only place really shared between DEs. Back at the time, there were GNOME 3.0 type discussions about this, but no real answers, so it had to be a notification area dealie. --- CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
nm-applet : Notification Area or Panel Applet ?
I'm running Hardy beta. Since Ubuntu 7.04 the network manager icon is stuck in my top panel. I don't see the interest of having such an icon in notification area since the icon never changes on my system (but i have no wireless connection) Therefore i wander if network manager should not be an applet instead of cluttering the notification area : actually network manager icon doesn't notify anything (it acts in a manner quite similar to Tomboy which is an applet. Besides it is called nm-applet !). Having network manager as an applet doesn't mean that it can't display ponctual pieces of information in notification area when needed (poping up a small transient "balloon" attached to a notification icon). for reference, here is the GNOME HIG quote : "Using the Status Notification Area Using the status notification area applications can notify the user of non-critical events (for example, arrival of new email, or a chat 'buddy' having logged on), and expose the status of active system processes (for example, a printing document, or a laptop's battery charging). The utility of the notification area decreases rapidly when more than about four icons are always present. For this reason, icons that appear only temporarily in response to events are preferable." http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/desktop-notification-area.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
