Re: Testing
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Joseph Godino jgodi...@gmail.com wrote: I get a prompt to reboot the machine but then the screen goes black, the CD ejects but that is it the computer does not reboot. I tried a fresh install with the September 28 daily build and got the same result. This time I had to power off the machine since control-alt-delete would not work. However, I have been running that build for a couple of days and I have not encountered any serious issues just some minor bugs. I would like to continue testing but it will be difficult for me to do this on bare metal unless I can find another machine otherwise I would have to do it inside a virtualbox. Any suggestions. Cheers, Joe This: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1194895 Which is a duplicate of the old but still alive bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/966480 Please read my comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/966480/comments/22 As a workaround: Use LiveUSB and use UNetbootin to create it OR 'dd' method but you must be very careful whenever you are using 'dd' command. Thanks :) -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad Areas of Involvement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement My Projects https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: Testing
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Erick Brunzell lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote: Correct. What should happen after selecting either restart or shutdown is the screen should display a message saying something like, Please remove installation media, close tray if any, and press Enter. But the screen is often just blank. I find that this buggy behavior is more reliably reproduced if choosing install from the main menu rather than booting to the live DE first. Regardless all of the later bugs keep getting marked as a duplicate of: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/966480 It does effect Ubuntu and Lubuntu images as well as Ubuntu GNOME images. +1 That bug needs to be edited to reflect that it effects Saucy but I can't figure out how to do that. Lance Already done ;) Thank you! -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad Areas of Involvement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement My Projects https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?
On 10/02/2013 11:51 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: Hi, Whether this is a shocking news or not, I guess I have to share it here and read your opinion about this :) http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/ubuntu-1404-lts-to-stay-on-gtkgnome-38.html Read the link carefully before replying :) Thanks! As an official flavor of Ubuntu I'm not sure our opinion matters much, but Ubuntu 14.04 will be an LTS (probably with 5 years of support like 12.04) so stability is a key aspect. This might be a good time for our devs to start thinking about whether Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 will be an LTS or not. Lance -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?
Hello All, In terms of a LTS release it would make sense to stick with GNOME 3.8. I have been running Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 for about a week on my main computer and I feel that this release has all the stability requirements to be considered LTS. As for GNOME 3.10 couldn't it be backported to a ppa so the adventurous could give it a try. Cheers, Joe On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 12:32 -0500, Erick Brunzell wrote: On 10/02/2013 11:51 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: Hi, Whether this is a shocking news or not, I guess I have to share it here and read your opinion about this :) http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/ubuntu-1404-lts-to-stay-on-gtkgnome-38.html Read the link carefully before replying :) Thanks! As an official flavor of Ubuntu I'm not sure our opinion matters much, but Ubuntu 14.04 will be an LTS (probably with 5 years of support like 12.04) so stability is a key aspect. This might be a good time for our devs to start thinking about whether Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 will be an LTS or not. Lance -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?
On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 14:20 -0400, Manuel Cuadra wrote: In terms of a LTS release it would make sense to stick with GNOME 3.8. I have been running Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 for about a week on my main computer and I feel that this release has all the stability requirements to be considered LTS. As for GNOME 3.10 couldn't it be backported to a ppa so the adventurous could give it a try. I've been using Gnome 3.10 and it's not that much unstable, I can actually do my work with no problems, it's just the main programs that need some refinement. In the article, the main thing that worries them is that the latest GTK wants to get rid of the icons in menus and icons in buttons, so a lot of people report that as a bug and think that it's not a good change... I do think like @Joe that this could be a PPA to upgrade the version of Gnome but I think also that Gnome itself is changing anyways and people that wants to stick with it should be more focused on making it better, not trying to stop its growth by freezing the version, they should debate this things on the official gnome project if they want the icons back to the buttons and menus. REASONS to consider a LTS release. 1. The kernel is frozen. Therefore kernel updates shouldn't break API's which would lead to the stability of the proprietary drives provided by the Ubuntu software center. In other words, a kernel update won't break a system and render it unusable until a driver patch becomes available. I believe this is what happened with the release of the 3.10 kernel. 2. Lagging development can catch up. For example, I would like to work with CUDA applications. Unfortunately, this requires the Nvidia CUDA tookkit. At the present time Nvidia only provides support for Ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10. One on the problems I ran into when trying to install the CUDA toolkit on a newer version of linux was that the installer complained about the version of the gcc compiler. It detected a new version and aborted the installation. In as LTS release the compiler version is frozen. 3. Software in the software center is frozen, enabling users to get a system up and running that they can rely on without it becoming unstable. I think this is a requirement for business and/or university students who may be working on a research project that would last longer than a six month development cycle. REASONS why I chose Ubuntu and specifically Ubuntu GNOME. 1. A great collection of software both free and non-free. 2. Excellent fonts - especially useful when spending a long time with the computer. 3. All my other proprietary software, for example, Maple, Mathematica and CrashPlan, run flawlessly. 4. Easy installation of software not included in the distribution via ppa, e.g Oracle Java, GNOME 3.10. 5. I prefer GNOME over Unity especially GNOME classic session. I don't use the newer GNOME interface because I am mainly running a workstation and/or desktop. The newer interface may be better for mobile devices. CONCLUSION In no way should a LTS release affect the continued development of software. It is just a reference point in which to continue building However, it provides users with a branch in which to run in a production environment. -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?
I completely agree with Joseph, so basically LTS is to have an amount of stable packages ready to deploy and stable enough to work with everything, and non LTS is for upgrading and testing new findings in the Linux world, specially now that Gnome is porting to wayland and making big changes, it would be wise to stick with the most stable version before chaos lol, and also I think i've read that Gnome is ditching classic on 3.12 if not 3.10 already, I haven't tested.. 2013/10/2 Joseph Godino jgodi...@gmail.com: On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 14:20 -0400, Manuel Cuadra wrote: In terms of a LTS release it would make sense to stick with GNOME 3.8. I have been running Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 for about a week on my main computer and I feel that this release has all the stability requirements to be considered LTS. As for GNOME 3.10 couldn't it be backported to a ppa so the adventurous could give it a try. I've been using Gnome 3.10 and it's not that much unstable, I can actually do my work with no problems, it's just the main programs that need some refinement. In the article, the main thing that worries them is that the latest GTK wants to get rid of the icons in menus and icons in buttons, so a lot of people report that as a bug and think that it's not a good change... I do think like @Joe that this could be a PPA to upgrade the version of Gnome but I think also that Gnome itself is changing anyways and people that wants to stick with it should be more focused on making it better, not trying to stop its growth by freezing the version, they should debate this things on the official gnome project if they want the icons back to the buttons and menus. REASONS to consider a LTS release. 1. The kernel is frozen. Therefore kernel updates shouldn't break API's which would lead to the stability of the proprietary drives provided by the Ubuntu software center. In other words, a kernel update won't break a system and render it unusable until a driver patch becomes available. I believe this is what happened with the release of the 3.10 kernel. 2. Lagging development can catch up. For example, I would like to work with CUDA applications. Unfortunately, this requires the Nvidia CUDA tookkit. At the present time Nvidia only provides support for Ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10. One on the problems I ran into when trying to install the CUDA toolkit on a newer version of linux was that the installer complained about the version of the gcc compiler. It detected a new version and aborted the installation. In as LTS release the compiler version is frozen. 3. Software in the software center is frozen, enabling users to get a system up and running that they can rely on without it becoming unstable. I think this is a requirement for business and/or university students who may be working on a research project that would last longer than a six month development cycle. REASONS why I chose Ubuntu and specifically Ubuntu GNOME. 1. A great collection of software both free and non-free. 2. Excellent fonts - especially useful when spending a long time with the computer. 3. All my other proprietary software, for example, Maple, Mathematica and CrashPlan, run flawlessly. 4. Easy installation of software not included in the distribution via ppa, e.g Oracle Java, GNOME 3.10. 5. I prefer GNOME over Unity especially GNOME classic session. I don't use the newer GNOME interface because I am mainly running a workstation and/or desktop. The newer interface may be better for mobile devices. CONCLUSION In no way should a LTS release affect the continued development of software. It is just a reference point in which to continue building However, it provides users with a branch in which to run in a production environment. -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Testing
Hello, I just set up a machine so that I could continue testing the daily builds of Ubuntu GNOME without disturbing my production machine which is running Ubuntu GNOME 13.10. I only do upgrades to this machine without doing fresh installs -that is what my test machine is for. My experience with the test machine is as follows. The computer has two hard disks which had nothing but free space before installing 13.10. During the initial installation I installed 13.10 to /sda using lmv. Unfortunately, upon rebooting the machine 13.10 would not load. I could not determine if this was a hardware or software problem. Next I tried a dual boot with Windows. Again after installing 13.10 only Windows would load - not at all what I wanted. Finally I tried a dual boot with Fedora 19. I installed Fedora to /sda using lvm and upon rebooting the machine I was able to get into the GNOME desktop. After that I installed 13.10 to /sdb. Upon rebooting I obtained a grub menu allowing me to choose which OS to boot. Final result - I can boot into 13.10 and Fedora 19. Cheers, Joe -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
