Re: Downgrade from 3.12 Staging.

[Christian Dysthe]

On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 15:50 +1000, Tim wrote:
> ppa-purge doesnt correctly handle things when packages have been renamed, for 
> example libgnome-desktop-3-8 wont downgrade to libgnome-desktop-3-7.
> 
> Probably the best thing to do is run ppa-purge and make a note of all 
> packages that it wants to remove, but continue anyway. Then before you
> reboot reinstall ubuntu-gnome-desktop, that should pull in most of the 
> packages that were removed. Finally manually reinstall any other packages
> that got removed but shouldnt have (this would probably only be things not 
> included in default packageset).
> 
Thank you for the advice. I just did a downgrade since Evolution in 3.12 has a 
bug I can't get around.
Your suggested procedure worked great and I am safely back on 3.10.


> On 16/08/14 13:28, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The last time I tried to downgrade from staging I was left unable to
> > login. When I look closer important packages like gdm was removed when
> > using ppa-purge. Is this a known problem, or did something go wrong for
> > me? I would like to know before I try again. If there is a problem, is
> > there a workaround for downgrading? 
> >
> 
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Downgrade from 3.12 Staging.

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Hi,

The last time I tried to downgrade from staging I was left unable to
login. When I look closer important packages like gdm was removed when
using ppa-purge. Is this a known problem, or did something go wrong for
me? I would like to know before I try again. If there is a problem, is
there a workaround for downgrading? 

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The one setting I miss from Ubuntu Unity

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Hi,

There's one setting from Ubuntu Unity I miss in Ubuntu GNOME and that is
to be able to control the volume above 100% without having to open the
mixer/sound settings. In Ubuntu 14.04 this is finally an option with a
check-box, but not in Ubuntu GNOME. I would really like to see that
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I can only add start-up applications when launching Gnome Tweak Tool from the command line.

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Hi,

I am only able to add start-up applications when I launch Gnome Tweak
Tool from the command line, not from the menu. Any idea why that is and
is it a bug I should report? I'm running Gnome 3.12 from the staging
PPA.

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Re: Evolution 3.12 again.

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On Wed, 2014-06-18 at 22:39 +1000, Tim wrote:
> This is now available on gnome3-staging/trusty

This is great news! I have run it all day and I can not run through
several different VPN's without having Evolution balk. Thanks!

> On 28/05/14 06:33, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 15:05 -0400, Steve Ovens wrote:
> >> We have no specific ETA. I can tell you that (mainly) Tim, and I are
> >> working towards bringing down the debian upstream packages.
> >>
> >>
> >> I use evolution daily for my work on Ubuntu Gnome and when my VPN
> >> drops, I simply close and reopen the program and this works fine for
> >> me. Have you tried this?
> > Yes, that is what I do, but quite often I still have problems and have
> > to close and open Evolution a few times to get back on track, and with
> > one of my work VPNs (Fortinet) it doesn't work very well at all and mail
> > is not sent until I'm off that connection.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Christian Dysthe 
> >> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I really need Evolution 3.12 because of fixes with regards to
> >> VPN
> >> connections. I've asked about it before and the answer was
> >> that is was a
> >> packaging issue. I am not a coder and have no experience in
> >> this regard
> >> so I do not think I would be of much help, but do anyone know
> >> how long
> >> it may take to get Evolution 3.12 available in the (staging)
> >> PPA?
> >> 
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Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 is rock solid!

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Hi,

After day and night use of Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 on my work Thinkpad I have
to say it the most solid Linnux install I've ever run. Not one single
issue (except for not having Evolution 3.12)! That is a first for me. It
runs, hibernates, connects to all kinds of wi-fi networks and VPN's and
last night I got it to print on a networked Canon Color Laser that none
of the Windows guys could get to work. 

Since I have never been able to run an OS, any OS, on a work laptop
including lots of travel and abuse without one issue or another until
now I just had to vent my satisfaction and admiration for the Ubuntu
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GNOME broken on Ubuntu? Think not.

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Hi,

I read the following on the Evolution mailing list as response to
someone needing help:

"Short answer: Use a stable distribution.  GNOME is broken on Ubuntu,
they perform no QC and change things willy-nilly."

I assume this isn't correct? And would absolutely not be correct for
Ubuntu GNOME?

As a non developer but someone who depends on Ubuntu GNOME for work I do
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Re: Evolution 3.12 again.

[Christian Dysthe]

On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 15:05 -0400, Steve Ovens wrote:
> We have no specific ETA. I can tell you that (mainly) Tim, and I are
> working towards bringing down the debian upstream packages.
> 
> 
> I use evolution daily for my work on Ubuntu Gnome and when my VPN
> drops, I simply close and reopen the program and this works fine for
> me. Have you tried this?

Yes, that is what I do, but quite often I still have problems and have
to close and open Evolution a few times to get back on track, and with
one of my work VPNs (Fortinet) it doesn't work very well at all and mail
is not sent until I'm off that connection.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Christian Dysthe 
> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I really need Evolution 3.12 because of fixes with regards to
> VPN
> connections. I've asked about it before and the answer was
> that is was a
> packaging issue. I am not a coder and have no experience in
> this regard
> so I do not think I would be of much help, but do anyone know
> how long
> it may take to get Evolution 3.12 available in the (staging)
> PPA?
> 
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Evolution 3.12 again.

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Hi,

I really need Evolution 3.12 because of fixes with regards to VPN
connections. I've asked about it before and the answer was that is was a
packaging issue. I am not a coder and have no experience in this regard
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Does the new Google notifications work in Gnome-Shell on Ubuntu GNOME?

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Hi,

Google Chrome just got upgraded to the first stable version on Linux
with Aura and the net notifications (which includes Google Now). If have
already found out that Aura itself works well, but what about the
notifications? Does anyone know if they will work in GNOME? Otherwise,
take a look here:

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Re: Can't use Synaptic with GNOME 3.12 (PPA)

[Christian Dysthe]

On Fri, 2014-05-09 at 11:21 +1000, Tim wrote:
> On 09/05/14 08:50, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am having a problem with Synaptic in Gnome 3.12 (from PPA) in Ubuntu
> > GNOME 14.04. Synaptic is very slow and takes almost a minute to be ready
> > for use. 

> I have seen this slow loading, however I have not seen any of the below 
> symptons.
> I suppose just file the bug against synaptic in Ubuntu, whatever is causing 
> the issue
> is most likely to cause problems once we start transitioning utopic to 3.12

I will report it. As a user I wonder how to correctly report problems
related to the staging PPA. I have notification issues in 3.12 (icons
not showing). Should I just report them as Ubuntu bugs?

> > But as soon as I type in search or try to apply anything it
> > hangs again for another minute. It's is unusable for all practical
> > purposes. It also slows down the whole desktop and turn animations
> > jerky. I am not able to close Synaptic either having to kill the
> > process. Everything else seems to work fine. How and where should I
> > report this problem? After a ppa-purge Synaptic works as normal again.
> >
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Can't use Synaptic with GNOME 3.12 (PPA)

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Hi,

I am having a problem with Synaptic in Gnome 3.12 (from PPA) in Ubuntu
GNOME 14.04. Synaptic is very slow and takes almost a minute to be ready
for use. But as soon as I type in search or try to apply anything it
hangs again for another minute. It's is unusable for all practical
purposes. It also slows down the whole desktop and turn animations
jerky. I am not able to close Synaptic either having to kill the
process. Everything else seems to work fine. How and where should I
report this problem? After a ppa-purge Synaptic works as normal again.

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Evolution 3.12 in the PPA?

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Hi,

Any idea when I could expect Evolution 3.12 to hit the PPA? It has an
fix I really need (dealing gracefully with VPN connections being
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Tracker and Zeitgeist.

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Hi,

I was wondering if I need both Zeitgeist and Tracker installed in Ubuntu
GNOME? And if so, what is the one doing that the other isn't?

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A little promotion on Reddit.

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Hi,

I have been so happy with Ubuntu GNOME that I did a little piece on
Reddit explaining why it's such a great distro. Caused an interesting
discussion:

http://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/23l8t3/the_best_of_two_worlds_ubuntu_gnome/

I just want to thank you guys responsible for the phenomenal 14.04
release. With the LTS we who rely on Linux for work have a perfect mix
of the versatility of Ubuntu matched up with the elegance and efficiency
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Re: Why isn't Ubuntu GNOME coming themes?

[Christian Dysthe]

On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 23:41 +0200, Alfredo Hernández wrote:
> What? I don't understand your question.

I'm sorry, but that e-mail went accidentally during a stopover between
flights today! :) 

What I was trying to say is that I would like to see Ubuntu GNOME with
it's own theme. At least the boot screen could have an Ubuntu GNOME logo
rather than generic GNOME, and I would not not mind a Ubuntu GNOME
gtk/icon theme either. Personally I'm using Numix which gives Gnome 3 a
whole new look and feel. It looks fantastic and even my OS X friends are
asking me about my desktop these days. I may not be aware of the reasons
why Ubuntu GNOME comes with a very generic looking desktop, but I would
like to see it more unique. A couple of wallpapers would help also! :)
> 
> 
> On 16 April 2014 22:05, Christian Dysthe 
> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I know we're close to a release but I was wondering why Ubuntu
> 
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Hi,

I know we're close to a release but I was wondering why Ubuntu

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Why no Search panel included in System Settings?

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Hi,

On other GNOME based distros there's are a "Search" panel in "System
Settings" but in Ubuntu GNOME there's "Desktop Search" and "Search and
Indexing" as two separate menu entries. Is there a reason for that?

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Re: GNOME Photos won't run.

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On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 15:34 +1000, Tim wrote:
> This seems to be a bug in tracker-miner [1]
> 
> So you must make sure you have tracker-miner-fs installed (apparently this 
> was broken on the GNOME3 PPA, its rebuilding now however) so it may
> be missing from installed packages.

After all updates was installed this morning GNOME Photos worked.
tracker-miner-fs was not installed so I installed that separately. I
guess the stack trace is redundant now?

Thank you for looking into it!
> 
> 
> Tim
> On 11/04/14 09:05, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 07:57 +1000, Tim wrote:
> >> On 11/04/14 01:53, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 13:07 +1000, Tim wrote:
> >>>> On 10/04/14 07:58, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 20:04 +0200, Michael Flaig wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had a similar problem with gnome-documents
> >>>>>> For me the fix was installing tracker.
> >>>>> Tracker is installed so that is not the problem here. I will keep
> >>>>> looking.
> >>>> Can you get a backtrace?
> >>> I'm not a developer so I would need some hand holding to be able to do
> >>> that. 
> >> first you will need to install debug packages for gnome-photos, tracker, 
> >> glib etc...
> >>
> >> then run
> >> gdb gnome-photos
> >> r
> >> (once things hang, ctl+c)
> >> t a a bt
> > Here it is:
> >
> > http://hastebin.com/buvaperayu.rb
> >
> > There's no debug package for gnome-photos but I install the global GNOME
> > debug packages.
> >
> >>> I do however get this in the system.log when I try to open
> >>> gnome-photos:
> >>>
> >>> http://hastebin.com/dovejabepa.css
> >> I don't think that would be a problem.
> >>>>>> On Mi, 2014-04-09 at 10:44 -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wanted to try GNOME Photos but it won't run with a GUI. I just end 
> >>>>>>> up
> >>>>>>> with a process I have to kill. No output to the terminal either
> >>>>>>> indicating what the problem is. Is this known?
> >>>>>>>
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Re: GNOME Photos won't run.

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On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 07:57 +1000, Tim wrote:
> On 11/04/14 01:53, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 13:07 +1000, Tim wrote:
> >> On 10/04/14 07:58, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 20:04 +0200, Michael Flaig wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I had a similar problem with gnome-documents
> >>>> For me the fix was installing tracker.
> >>> Tracker is installed so that is not the problem here. I will keep
> >>> looking.
> >> Can you get a backtrace?
> > I'm not a developer so I would need some hand holding to be able to do
> > that. 
> first you will need to install debug packages for gnome-photos, tracker, glib 
> etc...
> 
> then run
> gdb gnome-photos
> r
> (once things hang, ctl+c)
> t a a bt

Here it is:

http://hastebin.com/buvaperayu.rb

There's no debug package for gnome-photos but I install the global GNOME
debug packages.

> 
> > I do however get this in the system.log when I try to open
> > gnome-photos:
> >
> > http://hastebin.com/dovejabepa.css
> I don't think that would be a problem.
> >
> >>>> On Mi, 2014-04-09 at 10:44 -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wanted to try GNOME Photos but it won't run with a GUI. I just end up
> >>>>> with a process I have to kill. No output to the terminal either
> >>>>> indicating what the problem is. Is this known?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- 
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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Re: GNOME Photos won't run.

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On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 13:07 +1000, Tim wrote:
> On 10/04/14 07:58, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 20:04 +0200, Michael Flaig wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I had a similar problem with gnome-documents
> >> For me the fix was installing tracker.
> > Tracker is installed so that is not the problem here. I will keep
> > looking.
> Can you get a backtrace?

I'm not a developer so I would need some hand holding to be able to do
that. I do however get this in the system.log when I try to open
gnome-photos:

http://hastebin.com/dovejabepa.css

> >> On Mi, 2014-04-09 at 10:44 -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I wanted to try GNOME Photos but it won't run with a GUI. I just end up
> >>> with a process I have to kill. No output to the terminal either
> >>> indicating what the problem is. Is this known?
> >>>
> >>> -- 
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> >>
> >>
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Re: GNOME Photos won't run.

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On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 20:04 +0200, Michael Flaig wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I had a similar problem with gnome-documents
> For me the fix was installing tracker.

Tracker is installed so that is not the problem here. I will keep
looking.
> 
> On Mi, 2014-04-09 at 10:44 -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I wanted to try GNOME Photos but it won't run with a GUI. I just end up
> > with a process I have to kill. No output to the terminal either
> > indicating what the problem is. Is this known?
> > 
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> 
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GNOME Photos won't run.

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Hi,

I wanted to try GNOME Photos but it won't run with a GUI. I just end up
with a process I have to kill. No output to the terminal either
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Re: The microphone mute/unmute problem: It's now fixed in Ubuntu 14.04 but not in Ubuntu GNOME 14.04

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On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 12:25 +1000, Tim wrote:
> On 09/04/14 03:36, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 18:57 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> >>> So Fedora, Arch and Sabayon have had this patch for a while?
> >> Probably.  GNOME 3.10 was released more than 6 months ago.
> >>
> >>> The button works with any of them on my T430S running Gnome.
> >> gnome-settings-daemon 3.10 has have support for the mic mute key.
> >>
> >> gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 doesn't have support for the mic mute key.
> >>
> >> Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 has gnome-settings-daemon 3.8.6.1.
> > I'm sorry harping on this, but it's confusing. So why does the mic mute
> > button work on the recent Ubuntu 14.04 dailies which have the same 3.8
> > based gnome-settings-daemon version Ubuntu GNOME 14.04?
> The fix was never uploaded for gnome-settings-daemon (but it was for 
> unity-settings-daemon).
> 
> gnome-settings-daemon 3.8.6.1-0ubuntu11 was just uploaded with the fix 
> however.

It now works flawlessly, even better than on Ubuntu where OSD is wrong
showing the volume mute/unmute instead of the microphone one.

> 
> >
> 
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Re: The microphone mute/unmute problem: It's now fixed in Ubuntu 14.04 but not in Ubuntu GNOME 14.04

[Christian Dysthe]

On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 18:57 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> > So Fedora, Arch and Sabayon have had this patch for a while?
> 
> Probably.  GNOME 3.10 was released more than 6 months ago.
> 
> > The button works with any of them on my T430S running Gnome.
> 
> gnome-settings-daemon 3.10 has have support for the mic mute key.
> 
> gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 doesn't have support for the mic mute key.
> 
> Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 has gnome-settings-daemon 3.8.6.1.

I'm sorry harping on this, but it's confusing. So why does the mic mute
button work on the recent Ubuntu 14.04 dailies which have the same 3.8
based gnome-settings-daemon version Ubuntu GNOME 14.04?

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Re: The microphone mute/unmute problem: It's now fixed in Ubuntu 14.04 but not in Ubuntu GNOME 14.04

[Christian Dysthe]

On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 09:23 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 05:45:27PM -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > I have asked about the problem with microphone mute/unmute on Thinkpad
> > T430S in the past but now I have updated information on the problem:
> > 
> > The microphone mute/unmute does not work in Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 daily
> > with any kernel. I have tried with mainline 3.14 but it still doesn't
> > work. 
> > 
> > The microphone mute/unmute does not work on stock Ubuntu 13.10 and early
> > 13.04 alphas, but it does work on the current daily Ubuntu 14.04.
> > 
> > This shows that this isn't merely a kernel problem.
> 
> Yes, it's a problem in gnome-settings-daemon, like I said when this came
> up earlier.
> 
> > Something is now
> > different in Ubuntu 14.04 and Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 with regards to the
> > microphone mute/unmute button for many newer Thinkpads since it works in
> > one and not the other.
> 
> unity-settings-daemon got the patch for KEY_MICMUTE recently:
> 
> unity-settings-daemon (14.04.0+14.04.20140402-0ubuntu1) trusty; 
> urgency=low
> 
>   [ Jackson Doak ]
>   * define XF86AudioMicMute as a mic mute key
> 
> gnome-settings-daemon didn't.

So Fedora, Arch and Sabayon have had this patch for a while? The button
works with any of them on my T430S running Gnome.
> 
> > I really hope this can be fixed in Ubuntu GNOME also and not only in
> > stock Ubuntu before release.
> > 
> > I have reported my findings in the Ubuntu bug covering this issue:
> > 
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1268880
> 
> That looks like a different bug.
> 
> I've been commenting in
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/408903
> 
> > And as said before, the microphone mute button works in other distros
> > like Fedora, Sabayon and Arch.
> 
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The microphone mute/unmute problem: It's now fixed in Ubuntu 14.04 but not in Ubuntu GNOME 14.04

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I have asked about the problem with microphone mute/unmute on Thinkpad
T430S in the past but now I have updated information on the problem:

The microphone mute/unmute does not work in Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 daily
with any kernel. I have tried with mainline 3.14 but it still doesn't
work. 

The microphone mute/unmute does not work on stock Ubuntu 13.10 and early
13.04 alphas, but it does work on the current daily Ubuntu 14.04.

This shows that this isn't merely a kernel problem. Something is now
different in Ubuntu 14.04 and Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 with regards to the
microphone mute/unmute button for many newer Thinkpads since it works in
one and not the other.

I really hope this can be fixed in Ubuntu GNOME also and not only in
stock Ubuntu before release.

I have reported my findings in the Ubuntu bug covering this issue:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1268880

And as said before, the microphone mute button works in other distros
like Fedora, Sabayon and Arch.

 
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Re: GNOME 3.12

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On Wed, 2014-03-26 at 17:04 -0400, Hashem Nasarat wrote:
> Well-written; thanks for posting! That being said, I miss the days of
> Ubuntu shipping the most recent GNOME (after a month of integration &
> testing).
> 
> Do you think it would be possible to return to the original Ubuntu
> schedule of GNOME release date + 1 month?

This touches on a bigger issue: What is Ubuntu GNOME going to be in the
future? Two options:

- A remix of stock Ubuntu with Gnome-Shell as desktop based on the
version of Gnome shipping with Ubuntu.

or
 
- A Ubuntu based distribution with the latest version of Gnome available
provided by the Ubuntu GNOME team. 

The second option would mean that what today is the Ubuntu GNOME team
PPA becomes an official repository for the Ubuntu GNOME distribtion.
This would be kind of similar to how Linux Mint Debian Edition and
SolydXK relates to Debian or how Chakra relates to Arch.

The whole Mir/Wayland debacle is going to force this issue at some point
unless Canonical decided to back off Mir (which I do not think will
happen).

For now I'm perfectly happy with Ubuntu GNOME they way it is, so don't
get me wrong. 14.04 will be a great release! :)
> 
> -Hashem
> 
> On 03/26/2014 04:28 PM, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > Kindly read this:
> > 
> > http://ubuntugnome.org/gnome-3-12/
> > 
> > Thank you!
> > 
> > P.S.
> > Link has been shared on all our Social Media Channels.
> > 
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Re: Call for Testing Trusty Tahr Final Beta Candidate

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On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 14:30 +0400, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:11 AM, Christian Dysthe 
> wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> Hi and thank you for your email :)
> 
>  
> I did a fresh install on a Thinkpad T430S today. The
> installation was uneventful and very quick which is good. I
> had some glitches with the installer related to the
> partitioning in 13.10 on that machine, but no problems in this
> regard with 14.04. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That is great to know :) 
> 
> The microphone mute button is still not recognized in 14.04
> but that seems to be a Deviant/Ubuntu issue (it works with all
> other distros I have tried like Arch, Sabayon and Fedora).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry, not really sure which one is the Microphone Mute Button? 

There's a mute, volume up, volume down and microphone mute button on
newer Thinkpads in the X and T series. On most distributions all of them
work but on Ubuntu GNOME and Debian/Ubuntu based distributions the
microphone mute button does not work. There's not even output from
'acpi_listen'. I do not have hopes up that it will work on Ubuntu GNOME
but it would sure have been a very pleasant surprise! :)
> 
>  
> Finally, hibernation support is not enabled by default, but
> that is also a Ubuntu issue it seems.
> 
> 
> IIRC (If I Remember Correctly), you need to press and hold 'Alt' while
> pointing your mouse at the shutdown button but I could be wrong -
> someone may correct me please if I'm wrong. I never use Hibernate.

The only way I have found to enable hibernation on Ubuntu GNOME is to
add
"/var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla"
with this content:

[Re-enable hibernate by default in upower]
Identity=unix-user:*
Action=org.freedesktop.upower.hibernate
ResultActive=yes

[Re-enable hibernate by default in logind]
Identity=unix-user:*
Action=org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate
ResultActive=yes

You have to add an extension for Gnome-Shell also which adds the
hibernate button to the status menu.

I do not get why this isn't enabled by default. Again, it's working OOTB
on Fedora and Sabayon.

>  
> Boot time is a lot faster, approximately 30% which is
> phenomenal.  Other than that nothing to report. This is going
> to be a great release! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I feel so bad that I couldn't get a machine to install Ubuntu GNOME
> Trusty and test it :(

You are really missing out! :)
> 
> 
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2208614
> 
> 
> Had no time to look for a solution or anything so had to stick with
> Virtual Machines :(
> 
> That said, can't tell about the booting time. Have only one main
> machine and can't take any risk to lose it no matter what. Can't buy
> new machines now.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you so much for your feedback. Highly appreciate that :)
> 
> 
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> 
> On March 23, 2014 11:06:06 AM "Ali/amjjawad"
>  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > Getting Ready For The Final Beta of Ubuntu GNOME Trusty
> > Tahr:
> > 
> > http://ubuntugnome.org/trusty-tahr-beta-2-candidate/
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for helping and testing Ubuntu GNOME :)
> > 
> > We highly appreciate your help and support.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > 
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> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > 
> > 
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Re: Call for Testing Trusty Tahr Final Beta Candidate

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I did a fresh install on a Thinkpad T430S today. The installation was 
uneventful and very quick which is good. I had some glitches with the 
installer related to the partitioning in 13.10 on that machine, but no 
problems in this regard with 14.04. The microphone mute button is still not 
recognized in 14.04 but that seems to be a Deviant/Ubuntu issue (it works 
with all other distros I have tried like Arch, Sabayon and Fedora). 
Finally, hibernation support is not enabled by default, but that is also a 
Ubuntu issue it seems.


Boot time is a lot faster, approximately 30% which is phenomenal.  Other 
than that nothing to report. This is going to be a great release!


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Hi,

Getting Ready For The Final Beta of Ubuntu GNOME Trusty Tahr:

http://ubuntugnome.org/trusty-tahr-beta-2-candidate/

Thanks in advance for helping and testing Ubuntu GNOME :)

We highly appreciate your help and support.

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Re: Indexing and file search in Gnome-Shell.

[Christian Dysthe]

On Wed, 2014-03-19 at 12:38 +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 05:19:30PM +1100, Tim wrote:
> > Unfortuately we are unable to enable tracker support in nautilus since
> > that is in main and tracker is in universe.
> > 
> > This probably won't change until Ubuntu transitions to the new file
> > manager as part of the convergence effort
> 
> What about alternative options, like making Nautilus detect at runtime
> whether Tracker is installed?  (Too much work, I guess?)

I am simply a user, so I'll leave this to you guys. 
> 
> What about providing an alternative Nautilus build with Tracker support
> in a PPA?

That would be very helpful! We use Ubuntu GNOME on all our work machines
now and didn't even think of it not working. It's not a huge deal, but
pretty important and I have gotten several question about it internally.
> 
> Marius Gedminas

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Indexing and file search in Gnome-Shell.

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I am not sure whether this is a bug in 14.04 or something I am missing,
but a lot of files in my Documents folder are not searchable in Gnome
Shell. Especially most (or all) .txt files aren't showing up but there
are some others also. Is there a way I can control what is indexed and
searched and make sure it covers all files in the Documents folder I
know that .txt files were searchable in Gnome 3.8 but in 3.10 they are
not for some reason. It would be great if video, pictures and music was
searchable also, but that is not so important for me.

Otherwise, Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 is shaping up to be a great release. The
least problematic Ubuntu install I have ever worked with.

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Re: Microphone mute button doesn't work in Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 and 14.04

[Christian Dysthe]

On Thu, 2014-03-13 at 19:14 +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 07:04:36PM +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:54:57AM -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > > I am not sure whether this is a Ubuntu GNOME or general Ubuntu problem
> > > but the microphone mute button on my Thinkpad T430S button does not work
> > > in Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 and 14.04.
> 
> Summary of private conversation (taken off-list by Christian because he
> thought it was becoming off-topic for the ubuntu-gnome list): it's a
> bug in gnome-settings-daemon 3.8, where it was ignoring XF86AudioMicMute
> keypresses.  This was fixed in gnome-settings-daemon 3.9.2 (commit
> 3a8beaaf in case anyone wants to backport the fix).
> 
> I'm not sure if this bug affects stock Ubuntu.  14.04 still has
> gnome-settings-daemon 3.8, but they switched to unity-settings-daemon
> for Unity sessions, right?  Does anyone know if u-s-d handles
> XF86AudioMicMute?

The bug affects Gnome 14.04 also. Just tried with a daily. 
> 
> > I've a ThinkPad X220.  The mic mute button works fine in Ubuntu GNOME 13.10.
> 
> That's because I've enabled the gnome3-team/gnome3 PPA and upgraded to
> gnome-settings-daemon 3.10.

Yes, I can see that I still have gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 in Ubuntu
GNOME 14.04 Beta 1. Will this be the version of gnome-settings-daemon
shipping with release? Since the mic mute button works in Fedora 20,
Manjaro GNOME and Suse GMOME, all with newer gnome-settings-daemon I am
hoping Ubuntu GNOME will follow and not stick with the old version like
it looks like stock Ubuntu is doing.
> 
> Marius Gedminas

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Microphone mute button doesn't work in Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 and 14.04

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I am not sure whether this is a Ubuntu GNOME or general Ubuntu problem
but the microphone mute button on my Thinkpad T430S button does not work
in Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 and 14.04. I know it has worked with Ubuntu in the
past, but not now. It does work in other Gnome-Shell distros I have used
recently like Arch based Manjaro GNOME and Fedora 20. I checked with
those two again now and it works in both of them. I find it hard to
report this as a bug since I have no idea what makes this button work in
the first place. Right now there's not any output from 'acpi_listen'
either on Ubuntu GNOME 14.04. All the other buttons work.

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Purge the Gnome PPA if upgrading from 13.10 to 14.04

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

If I should choose to test an online upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 should
I first remove the Gnome PPA rolling back to Gnome 3.8.4?

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Re: The black background issue in Evolution on 3.10 revisited.

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On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 23:25 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo wrote:
> Did you try this,
> Create a file named "gtk.css" under "~/.config/gtk-3.0/" with the
> following content,
> 
> .toolbar { background-color: #dedede; }

Yes I did. Didn't make a difference. I have only found one theme that
doesn't have the problem with black background in Evolution, it's the
clearlooks-phenix theme. But that themes has problems with Nautilus. 
> 
> 
> On Friday, 21 February 2014, Christian Dysthe 
> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have spent a lot of time on trying to figure out why there's
> black
> background around all emails in Evolution after upgrading to
> 3.10 using
> the PPA. First I thought it was the theme I am using (Moka)
> but it turns
> out that the black background in Evolution is present in any
> GTK theme I
> have installed, so it's not the one particular theme. This has
> also
> recently been reported on Ubuntu Forums:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2201137
> 
> It would be very helpful to know whether this is a problem
> when
> upgrading from 3.8 to 3.10 using the PPA, or something else
> related to
> my setup and the others who seem to have the same problem.
> 
> This is what Evolution looks like on 3.10:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4zetlgl32pei2j/Screenshot%20from%
> 202014-02-19%2011%3A19%3A21.png
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The black background issue in Evolution on 3.10 revisited.

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I have spent a lot of time on trying to figure out why there's black
background around all emails in Evolution after upgrading to 3.10 using
the PPA. First I thought it was the theme I am using (Moka) but it turns
out that the black background in Evolution is present in any GTK theme I
have installed, so it's not the one particular theme. This has also
recently been reported on Ubuntu Forums:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2201137

It would be very helpful to know whether this is a problem when
upgrading from 3.8 to 3.10 using the PPA, or something else related to
my setup and the others who seem to have the same problem.

This is what Evolution looks like on 3.10:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4zetlgl32pei2j/Screenshot%20from%
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Re: Upgrading to 3.10 (PPA) with installed themes.

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On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 08:58 +1100, Tim wrote:
> On 20/02/14 08:44, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 23:14 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo wrote:
> >> It is a bug in the GTK theme. To fix the black area, the theme
> >> developer needs to set a background color on the .toolbar class.
> >>
> >> Weird that it derives the color from toolbar. I would have preferred
> >> if it used the main bg color or a darkened base color instead.
> > I have looked more into this and there's others with this problem with
> > other themes on Gnome 3.10. This is my exact problem:
> >
> > https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/issues/40
> >
> > I'm not enough of a Gnome expert to fix it though. I'm having the black
> > background in both Moka and Adwaita
> Do you have overlay scrollbars enabled, if so disabling them will probably 
> fix this.
> 
> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface ubuntu-overlay-scrollbars false

I am running Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 and have never had Unity so I haven't
enabled overlay scrollbars. I tried to command anyway but it didn't make
any difference. 
> 
> 
> >
> >> On 19 February 2014 23:03, Christian Dysthe  wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 21:42 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo wrote:
> >>>> The themes need to support your Gnome version if you want to use them
> >>>> with a newer Gnome. Generally, there are minor glitches in the GTK
> >>>> theme. The Gnome Shell themes have lots of issues since lots of
> >>>> changes occur to the Shell every release.
> >>>>
> >>>> AFAIK, Moka GTK theme has GTK3.10 support. I don't know about the
> >>>> Gnome Shell theme though. You can always purge the Moka PPA after the
> >>>> upgrade if you find that the theme doesn't work for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Issues related to Evolution couldn't be due to Gnome Shell theme. The
> >>>> GTK theme must have a bug. You should report the bug to the developer.
> >>> Below you will see a screen-shot of how Evolution looks after an update
> >>> to 3.10. It has a black frame around emails both in preview and when the
> >>> email is opened. Is this how Evolution should look in 3.10? I do not
> >>> have any themes installed:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4zetlgl32pei2j/Screenshot%20from%
> >>> 202014-02-19%2011%3A19%3A21.png
> >>>
> >>> Is there a way I can change the black back to gray?
> >>>
> >>>> On 19 February 2014 21:12, Christian Dysthe  wrote:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm running Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 on several laptops. On a couple I would
> >>>>> like to run Gnome 3.10 upgraded with the PPA. I run the Moka icon, gtk
> >>>>> and gnome-shell theme on all of the machines (very nice flat modern
> >>>>> themes). I read in another thread that gnome-shell themes tend to mess
> >>>>> up upgrades and I did have some color issues on the one machine I did
> >>>>> upgrade already (especially in Evolution). So I wonder if that could be
> >>>>> because I had the Moka stuff installed? If so, would it be a good idea
> >>>>> to purge the Moka PPAs before I do the 3.10 upgrade?
> >>>>>
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Re: Upgrading to 3.10 (PPA) with installed themes.

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On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 23:14 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo wrote:
> It is a bug in the GTK theme. To fix the black area, the theme
> developer needs to set a background color on the .toolbar class.
> 
> Weird that it derives the color from toolbar. I would have preferred
> if it used the main bg color or a darkened base color instead.

I have looked more into this and there's others with this problem with
other themes on Gnome 3.10. This is my exact problem:

https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/issues/40

I'm not enough of a Gnome expert to fix it though. I'm having the black
background in both Moka and Adwaita

> 
> On 19 February 2014 23:03, Christian Dysthe  wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 21:42 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo wrote:
> >> The themes need to support your Gnome version if you want to use them
> >> with a newer Gnome. Generally, there are minor glitches in the GTK
> >> theme. The Gnome Shell themes have lots of issues since lots of
> >> changes occur to the Shell every release.
> >>
> >> AFAIK, Moka GTK theme has GTK3.10 support. I don't know about the
> >> Gnome Shell theme though. You can always purge the Moka PPA after the
> >> upgrade if you find that the theme doesn't work for you.
> >>
> >> Issues related to Evolution couldn't be due to Gnome Shell theme. The
> >> GTK theme must have a bug. You should report the bug to the developer.
> >
> > Below you will see a screen-shot of how Evolution looks after an update
> > to 3.10. It has a black frame around emails both in preview and when the
> > email is opened. Is this how Evolution should look in 3.10? I do not
> > have any themes installed:
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4zetlgl32pei2j/Screenshot%20from%
> > 202014-02-19%2011%3A19%3A21.png
> >
> > Is there a way I can change the black back to gray?
> >
> >>
> >> On 19 February 2014 21:12, Christian Dysthe  wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I'm running Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 on several laptops. On a couple I would
> >> > like to run Gnome 3.10 upgraded with the PPA. I run the Moka icon, gtk
> >> > and gnome-shell theme on all of the machines (very nice flat modern
> >> > themes). I read in another thread that gnome-shell themes tend to mess
> >> > up upgrades and I did have some color issues on the one machine I did
> >> > upgrade already (especially in Evolution). So I wonder if that could be
> >> > because I had the Moka stuff installed? If so, would it be a good idea
> >> > to purge the Moka PPAs before I do the 3.10 upgrade?
> >> >
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Re: Upgrading to 3.10 (PPA) with installed themes.

[Christian Dysthe]

On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 21:42 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo wrote:
> The themes need to support your Gnome version if you want to use them
> with a newer Gnome. Generally, there are minor glitches in the GTK
> theme. The Gnome Shell themes have lots of issues since lots of
> changes occur to the Shell every release.
> 
> AFAIK, Moka GTK theme has GTK3.10 support. I don't know about the
> Gnome Shell theme though. You can always purge the Moka PPA after the
> upgrade if you find that the theme doesn't work for you.
> 
> Issues related to Evolution couldn't be due to Gnome Shell theme. The
> GTK theme must have a bug. You should report the bug to the developer.

Below you will see a screen-shot of how Evolution looks after an update
to 3.10. It has a black frame around emails both in preview and when the
email is opened. Is this how Evolution should look in 3.10? I do not
have any themes installed:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4zetlgl32pei2j/Screenshot%20from%
202014-02-19%2011%3A19%3A21.png

Is there a way I can change the black back to gray?

> 
> On 19 February 2014 21:12, Christian Dysthe  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm running Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 on several laptops. On a couple I would
> > like to run Gnome 3.10 upgraded with the PPA. I run the Moka icon, gtk
> > and gnome-shell theme on all of the machines (very nice flat modern
> > themes). I read in another thread that gnome-shell themes tend to mess
> > up upgrades and I did have some color issues on the one machine I did
> > upgrade already (especially in Evolution). So I wonder if that could be
> > because I had the Moka stuff installed? If so, would it be a good idea
> > to purge the Moka PPAs before I do the 3.10 upgrade?
> >
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Upgrading to 3.10 (PPA) with installed themes.

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I'm running Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 on several laptops. On a couple I would
like to run Gnome 3.10 upgraded with the PPA. I run the Moka icon, gtk
and gnome-shell theme on all of the machines (very nice flat modern
themes). I read in another thread that gnome-shell themes tend to mess
up upgrades and I did have some color issues on the one machine I did
upgrade already (especially in Evolution). So I wonder if that could be
because I had the Moka stuff installed? If so, would it be a good idea
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Re: Including a new GTK theme in Ubuntu GNOME

[Christian Dysthe]

On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 00:46 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo wrote:
> We cannot include a Gnome Shell theme for obvious reasons. They break
> every release, and when a user installs a newer Gnome version through
> PPA, it'll be pretty broken.
> 
This is news to me, but I'm relatively new to Gnome Shell. Anyway, I use
the Moka icon, GTK and Gnome-Shell teams. On one machine I updated to
3.10 using the PPA and Evolution had some weird color problems. Could
that be because I had a Gnome-Shell (or other) theme enabled when I
upgraded Gnome? Will a Gnome-Shell theme cause problems with an upgrade
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Re: Some General feedback

[Christian Dysthe]

On Sun, 2014-02-16 at 10:29 -0500, Steve Ovens wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I thought I would provide some general feedback from my experience
> with Ubuntu Gnome. Before this weekend i had no problems with the 3 or
> 4 installs i had done. I speculate that is because of the older nature
> of the hardware (anywhere from 2years old to 8 years old). However i
> just received my new Galago Ultra Pro from System 76 and i had a heck
> of a time. (For those who dont know this is a company that specializes
> in machines that rjn Ubuntu)
> 
> First i tried 13.10. The install went fine and the only thing i did
> was setup 3 partitions and i selected the defaults. When i booted in
> for the first time I was unable to log in. I clicked on the user name
> but no password prompt. I dropped to the cli and was able to log in
> there just fine. So i rebooted  few times then gave up and inatalled
> Antegros. This went fine and I am comfortable with Arch to a point (i
> run it at work daily). I decided to take another go with Ubuntu Gnome.
> This time i tried 14.04. I couldnt get past the installer with the
> alpha 1, alpha 2 or any of the 3 nightly builds i have previously
> used.
> 
> I went and redownloaded 13.10 iso and tried that again. I wiped the
> machine got through the install and was finally able to log in. This
> time however i had all kinds of problems with network manager. Wifi
> worked fine but it wasnt detecting eth0. On the cli I used dhclient
> manually and that would bring the interface up just fine. I checked
> network/interfaces, as it is supposed to, only the loop back was
> defined there. I then followed various online guides for working with
> NetworkManager.conf. I finally got the device to show in network
> manage (i had to uninstall it completely, remove the /etc related
> files, reboot than reinstall) but when toggling the device to on,
> nothing would happen. I tried working the gnome3 ppa into the mix but
> the updated packages introduced other problems i didnt want to fix
> 
> I gave up and put on Xubuntu and then installed gnome shell. This was
> super ugly. Things seemed to work ok but this time i could not create
> any vpn connections regardless of installed packages or how many
> reboots. I plugged in the ppa and installed ubuntu gnome desktop. That
> helped somewhat with the ugliness but this still looked off. In
> addition i started to have login problems (intermittent) again.
> 
> I redownloaded 13.10 ubuntu gnome and wiped the computer again.
> Install wen fine but this time rebooting brought me to busybox prompt.
> Examining the errors it appeared that it could mount the root device.
> I tried to fix that (verified root uuid and the fstab, was able to
> chroot into the partition just fine).
> 
> At this point i used chroot to do-release-upgrade to 14.04. I have
> been successfully running 14.04 for a day using this method. I have
> been able to do everything i need and have had no crashes but man what
> an unfriendly user experience. I would rate this as advanced skill
> level activity because doing a do-release-upgrade from inside a chroot
> (from a live usb) is not a normal process.
> 
> Like i said at the beginning i have to imagine that its due to brand
> new hardware (even though all parts are certified for ubuntu). I have
> 3 laptops (2 on 12.04) running with problems as well as a handful of
> vms. I should also note that versions less than 13.10 produced kernel
> panics during initial boot of livecd/usb/pxe boots.
> 
> Just thought i would share my 1 bad experience trying to install on
> brand new hardware
> 
> Steve
> 
Just a general comment, shouldn't all Ubuntu flavors work the same as
far as installation and network infrastructure? I mean, if Ubuntu 13.10
installs and runs well shouldn't Xubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 operate
identically? Or are there deeper differences between them than I am
aware of?

I had no problems moving from Ubuntu 13.10 to Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 on
several machines. One of the reasons I chose Ubuntu GNOME when I wanted
a Gnome based distro was exactly that, I knew the Ubuntu as such ran
well on all my hardware, so I thought it to be a safe bet.

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Cosmetic question.

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I know this is nitpicking, but I was wondering whether it's
'UbuntuGNOME' or 'Ubunitu GNOME' (with a space). I've seen both used but
wondered what the official name is? If there is an official name that
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Re: Testing Gnome 3.10 in Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 (PPA).

[Christian Dysthe]

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 10:15 +0100, Julien Olivier wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > - Can't resize the Control Center window. Is that by design?
> > 
> 
> Yes, and this was always the case ->
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723575
> 
> > - No "hibernate" and "standby" options when I click top left. Only
> > poweroff and restart is available.
> > 
> 
> Have you tried keeping ALT pressed before clicking? I read somewhere
> that it changed the available options.

I will try that when I'm back on the 3.10 machine. Thanks.
> 
> > Is there a way to reset Gnome Shell to default 3.10 so I can add all my
> > settings again making sure I do it the 3.10 way?
> > 
> 
> I haven't tried this, and don't know if it still works in 3.10, but I
> found that ->
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/56313/how-do-i-reset-gnome-to-the-defaults
> 
> 
Yes, I did try that. Did not work very well in 3.10.

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Testing Gnome 3.10 in Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 (PPA).

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I added the GNOME PPA and got 3.10 on one of my machines. Since it's an
upgrade I wonder if some of the oddities I see are features,
misconfigurations or bugs.

- No access to setting up networks from network settings. I have to open
the separate application "Network Connections" to work on connections
like VPN. My VPN shows up under Netwok settings but under Identity it
says "Error: unable to load VPN connection editor). Are there two
interfaces for setting up networks?

- Loaded extensions were forgotten after reboot. I figured that one out
though by choosing default instead of Gnome on the login screen.

- Can't resize the Control Center window. Is that by design?

- No "hibernate" and "standby" options when I click top left. Only
poweroff and restart is available.

Is there a way to reset Gnome Shell to default 3.10 so I can add all my
settings again making sure I do it the 3.10 way?

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Re: Anyone running with the Gnome3 Team PPA?

[Christian Dysthe]

On Mon, 2014-02-10 at 13:20 +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 08:32:39AM -0600, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> > I now have Ubuntu GNOME on all my laptops. One one of them I'm able to
> > live a little bit on the bleeding edge and wondered if the Gnome3 Team
> > PPA is worth trying. Is anyone here running it, and is it usable for
> > daily use for someone who can live with a glitch now and then?
> 
> I'm on Ubuntu 13.10 with the gnome3-team/gnome3 PPA.  It has GNOME 3.10
> instead of 3.8.  There are some minor buglets (e.g. Alt-RMB dragging to
> resize triggers https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1272392;
> shield background in the lock screen is confused by multi-monitor
> changes and sometimes shows up black).  Otherwise it's perfectly usable.
> 
> > The PPA here: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3

I did try the PPA on the test machine, and it works well. I saw
somewhere that you should do a ppa-purge before you do a major update
like from 13.10 to 14.04, so I wanted to try ppa-purge but it was not
working very well. In fact I could not log in after I did it. Doesn't
really matter on that machine though. I just wonder if it was only me,
or if ppa-purge isn't really up the task with such a massive PPA
updating everything Gnome and GTK?

I would also like to ask you if you have done a major update with that
PPA enabled, or if you simply do a clean install between Ubuntu
versions?

> 
> Yep, that's the one.
> 
> Marius Gedminas

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Anyone running with the Gnome3 Team PPA?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I now have Ubuntu GNOME on all my laptops. One one of them I'm able to
live a little bit on the bleeding edge and wondered if the Gnome3 Team
PPA is worth trying. Is anyone here running it, and is it usable for
daily use for someone who can live with a glitch now and then?

The PPA here: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3

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Totem with a dark UI.

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Hi,

I am relatively new to Gnome Shell. I noticed that Totem has a dark UI
while it's light in Unity. Is that intentional?

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Re: No Canonical spying left in Ubuntu GNOME?

[Christian Dysthe]

On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 10:18 -0600, David B Yentzen wrote:
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hello Christian,
>   While I can respect your desire to leave Ubuntu due to privacy
> concerns, I do take strong issue with your characterization of such
> features as spyware. You may wish to spend some time acquainting
> yourself with what constitutes spying. That said, there are several
> ways to deal with it. There exist a fairly large body of resources
> that allow you to turn off, disable, or completely remove the shopping
> features and Dash features in Unity that you do not care to use.  You
> simply need to a little leg work.
>   I do, however, agree with you that Canonical would better serve its
> user base by, a: informing the end user of features during install and
> b: making opt-out by default.
> By the way, you may wish to be more concerned about the use of
> Zeitgiest than features that Canonical informs you about and then
> tells you how to disable.

As I said in another response my main concern is not privacy/security
but rather all the noise created on my desktop by the Amazon.com and
whatever else they put out there when you search or open applications
and documents through the HUD in Unity.

I do not really care what it's called. Give it a better name and I will
use it! :) However, it is data based on my behavior on my machine being
sent to someone else who then try to sell me something based on that
data. I do not mind that they try to make a buck, but the way this is
done that doesn't work for me.

I also think that it shouldn't be enabled by default. It could be an
option during installation just like proprietary codecs and such is in
Ubuntu. Likewise you should be able to remove/disable it easily. In
Ubuntu 13.04 you could get rid of it by removing a couple of packages.
Not so in 13.10 where it is very hard to to get rid of it:

http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/how-to-disable-amazon-shopping.html 

That fact is what really got me irritated and use the term "spyware". On
top of that making it even more annoying is that if you disable some of
the results after a while they are enabled again. I haven't spent time
on finding out how it happens, but I do not like that it does.

Oh, and I like Zeitgeist as long as it stays local. I do not want to
disable it to get rid of external search results. Or to rephrase that: I
should not have to do that! :)

>  
> Abidingly,
> David
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014, at 07:43 AM, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> >  
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Christian Dysthe  <mailto:cdys...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >  
> >
> > Hi,
> >  
> >
> >  
> > Hi :)
> >  
> >  
> >
> > One of my main reasons for leaving stock Ubuntu for Ubuntu GNOME
> was the
> > spying and sales pitches through the HUD in Unity. I couldn't
> find a way
> > to get rid of it all. I do like Gnome Shell a lot but there are
> aspects
> > of Ubuntu I would not like to give up (like PPA access) so
> Ubuntu GNOME
> > was as close as I could get to what I had.
> >  
> > One question I have though is whether all of the spyware like
> additions
> > to stock Ubuntu is gone in Ubuntu GNOME (as long as I do not add
> any
> > Unity related packages to my system)?. I just would like to have
> > confirmed that Ubuntu GNOME is clean in this regard.
> >
> >  
> > We're not using (obviously) Unity, hence the name of our system
> (Ubuntu GNOME).
> >  
> > Linux supposed to be secure and has no such thing as spying :)
> >  
> > I am not really sure from where exactly that came from? seems to me
> a cheap joke by Linux hater who are trying to shake the solid ground
> but that is my personal opinion.
> >  
> > I'm not expert in Security but if you're too much worried about
> spying stuff, you shouldn't use Facebook or any other Social Media
> Network. In fact, there is nothing 100% secure over the Internet. I'm
> sure you're following the news :)
> >  
> >  
> >
> >  
> > It's a phenomenal distro btw. Love it so far! :)
> >
> >  
> >  
> > Thank you for your feedback.
> >  
> > Ubuntu GNOME is indeed a great system :)
> > Enjoy!
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >
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Re: No Canonical spying left in Ubuntu GNOME?

[Christian Dysthe]

On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 19:43 +0400, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Christian Dysthe 
> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> Hi :)
> 
> 
>  
> One of my main reasons for leaving stock Ubuntu for Ubuntu
> GNOME was the
> spying and sales pitches through the HUD in Unity. I couldn't
> find a way
> to get rid of it all. I do like Gnome Shell a lot but there
> are aspects
> of Ubuntu I would not like to give up (like PPA access) so
> Ubuntu GNOME
> was as close as I could get to what I had.
> 
> One question I have though is whether all of the spyware like
> additions
> to stock Ubuntu is gone in Ubuntu GNOME (as long as I do not
> add any
> Unity related packages to my system)?. I just would like to
> have
> confirmed that Ubuntu GNOME is clean in this regard.
> 
> 
> We're not using (obviously) Unity, hence the name of our system
> (Ubuntu GNOME).
> 
> 
> Linux supposed to be secure and has no such thing as spying :)
> 
> 
> I am not really sure from where exactly that came from? seems to me a
> cheap joke by Linux hater who are trying to shake the solid ground but
> that is my personal opinion.
> 
> I'm not expert in Security but if you're too much worried about spying
> stuff, you shouldn't use Facebook or any other Social Media Network.
> In fact, there is nothing 100% secure over the Internet. I'm sure
> you're following the news :)

For me it's not so much about security as it is of noise. I do not want
to have all those commercial results show up on my desktop and I didn't
find a good way to disable it all.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> It's a phenomenal distro btw. Love it so far! :)
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your feedback.
> 
> 
> Ubuntu GNOME is indeed a great system :)
> Enjoy!
> 

> 

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No Canonical spying left in Ubuntu GNOME?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

One of my main reasons for leaving stock Ubuntu for Ubuntu GNOME was the
spying and sales pitches through the HUD in Unity. I couldn't find a way
to get rid of it all. I do like Gnome Shell a lot but there are aspects
of Ubuntu I would not like to give up (like PPA access) so Ubuntu GNOME
was as close as I could get to what I had.

One question I have though is whether all of the spyware like additions
to stock Ubuntu is gone in Ubuntu GNOME (as long as I do not add any
Unity related packages to my system)?. I just would like to have
confirmed that Ubuntu GNOME is clean in this regard. 

It's a phenomenal distro btw. Love it so far! :)

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