Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
On Fri, 2017-03-31 at 12:03 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Chris > wrote: > > > > Warning: apt-get update failed for some reason > > I don't think there is enough info here for someone to understand > what's not working. Please file a new bug against ppa-purge and let > me > know the bug number. Attach your /var/log/apt/history.log and > /var/log/apt/term.log > > Thanks, > Jeremy Bicha > Per your request I submitted bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s ource/ppa-purge/+bug/1678265 Chris -- Chris KeyID 0xE372A7DA98E6705C 31.11972; -97.90167 (Elev. 1092 ft) 12:36:43 up 18:54, 1 user, load average: 0.44, 0.18, 0.11 Description:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS, kernel 4.4.0-71-generic-- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Chris wrote: > Warning: apt-get update failed for some reason I don't think there is enough info here for someone to understand what's not working. Please file a new bug against ppa-purge and let me know the bug number. Attach your /var/log/apt/history.log and /var/log/apt/term.log Thanks, Jeremy Bicha -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
On Thu, 2017-03-30 at 19:21 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Chris > wrote: > > > > It makes sense Jeremy. However, one question, back when this > > started I > > believe you told me that once I removed the ppa's that all my > > 3.20.* > > versions would revert to the 3.18.* versions or maybe I > > misunderstood. > > Anyway, I still have the 3.20.* versions installed. > > Try these commands for the gnome3-staging PPA: > > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging > sudo apt update > sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging > > Jeremy > After running the third command I see this Warning: apt-get update failed for some reason So, as before I ran sudo apt update and as before still running Evolution 3.20.5 So if any kind of reversion is supposed to take place it didn't. -- Chris KeyID 0xE372A7DA98E6705C 31.11972; -97.90167 (Elev. 1092 ft) 19:15:30 up 1:32, 1 user, load average: 0.58, 0.29, 0.17 Description:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS, kernel 4.4.0-71-generic-- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Chris wrote: > It makes sense Jeremy. However, one question, back when this started I > believe you told me that once I removed the ppa's that all my 3.20.* > versions would revert to the 3.18.* versions or maybe I misunderstood. > Anyway, I still have the 3.20.* versions installed. Try these commands for the gnome3-staging PPA: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging sudo apt update sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging Jeremy -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
On Thu, 2017-03-30 at 10:29 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Frank M Waterman > wrote: > > > > If the end of life for 16.04 LTS is not until two years from now, > > why is the > > GNOME3 PPAs for it being shut down and why are you (and by > > extension the > > GNOME team) recommending upgrading to 16.10 when the end of life > > for its > > PPAs is coming up in May of this year? Perhaps I have missed a key > > point, > > but I do not understand. My apologies for my confusion. > > I hope my reply isn't even more confusing! > > Non-LTS releases are not supported for very long at all after the > next > Ubuntu release is available. This allows developers to focus on > developing future releases while supporting a choice of either an LTS > or the newest release. Ubuntu 17.04 will be released in two weeks. > It's important that 16.10 users upgrade promptly but you can wait a > few weeks. > > Ubuntu 16.10 offers a better GNOME 3.20 experience than 16.04 LTS. > Let > me give 2 brief examples of issues with 16.04 + the GNOME3 Staging > PPA: > - Every single time there's a new webkit2gtk security update (and > there are multiple every year), it has to be rebuilt in the 16.04 > GNOME3 Staging PPA or else apps like evolution won't display > correctly. > - There is a gnome-keyring issue that I believe was resolved in 16.10 > by converting gnome-keyring, gnome-session and more to systemd user > sessions. This is too disruptive of a change to try to backport since > it could introduce problems for those running other desktops. > > Conclusion: If you want stability, it's best to stay on the LTS > without the GNOME3 PPAs. If you want the latest and greatest, it's > best to upgrade to the new non-LTS releases. > > Jeremy > It makes sense Jeremy. However, one question, back when this started I believe you told me that once I removed the ppa's that all my 3.20.* versions would revert to the 3.18.* versions or maybe I misunderstood. Anyway, I still have the 3.20.* versions installed. Chris -- Chris KeyID 0xE372A7DA98E6705C 31.11972; -97.90167 (Elev. 1092 ft) 18:02:43 up 20 min, 1 user, load average: 0.64, 1.04, 1.60 Description:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS, kernel 4.4.0-71-generic-- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Frank M Waterman wrote: > If the end of life for 16.04 LTS is not until two years from now, why is the > GNOME3 PPAs for it being shut down and why are you (and by extension the > GNOME team) recommending upgrading to 16.10 when the end of life for its > PPAs is coming up in May of this year? Perhaps I have missed a key point, > but I do not understand. My apologies for my confusion. I hope my reply isn't even more confusing! Non-LTS releases are not supported for very long at all after the next Ubuntu release is available. This allows developers to focus on developing future releases while supporting a choice of either an LTS or the newest release. Ubuntu 17.04 will be released in two weeks. It's important that 16.10 users upgrade promptly but you can wait a few weeks. Ubuntu 16.10 offers a better GNOME 3.20 experience than 16.04 LTS. Let me give 2 brief examples of issues with 16.04 + the GNOME3 Staging PPA: - Every single time there's a new webkit2gtk security update (and there are multiple every year), it has to be rebuilt in the 16.04 GNOME3 Staging PPA or else apps like evolution won't display correctly. - There is a gnome-keyring issue that I believe was resolved in 16.10 by converting gnome-keyring, gnome-session and more to systemd user sessions. This is too disruptive of a change to try to backport since it could introduce problems for those running other desktops. Conclusion: If you want stability, it's best to stay on the LTS without the GNOME3 PPAs. If you want the latest and greatest, it's best to upgrade to the new non-LTS releases. Jeremy -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
Good morning Jeremy (and everyone else as well). I am confused and I hope that you can help me. In your message, you wrote: > > Ubuntu 16.10 "yakkety" GNOME3 PPA End of Life will be the end of > > May 2017. > > Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "xenial" GNOME3 PPA End of Life has been extended > > to > > the end of April 2017. > > Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS without the PPAs will reach End of Life in > > April 2019. > > Remember that non-LTS releases are only supported for 9 months > > from > > original release. Immediately after that, you went on to write: > > Conclusion > > > > If you are using the GNOME3 PPAs for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, please > > ppa-purge them. Then, either remain on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS or upgrade > > to > > Ubuntu 16.10. If the end of life for 16.04 LTS is not until two years from now, why is the GNOME3 PPAs for it being shut down and why are you (and by extension the GNOME team) recommending upgrading to 16.10 when the end of life for its PPAs is coming up in May of this year? Perhaps I have missed a key point, but I do not understand. My apologies for my confusion. On Wed, 2017-03-29 at 10:00 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > The Ubuntu GNOME team makes available packages from the > corresponding > GNOME release that we are not able to get into the regular Ubuntu > release. This provides an early look and valuable early testing of > packages that we hope will be available in the next Ubuntu release. > > The GNOME3 PPAs do not have the same level of support as packages in > the regular Ubuntu archives. There may be known and unknown bugs and > regressions. Do not use the PPAs unless you 1) are comfortable using > ppa-purge 2) backup your data and 3) are able to reinstall your > operating system in case of a severe problem. > > The Ubuntu GNOME team has realized that we haven't been clear about > the lifetime of these PPAs. Therefore, we are announcing this policy > today. > > GNOME3 PPA End of Life Policy > > - Each PPA will reach End of Life 7 months after the original > release > date of the associated Ubuntu release. > > - At End of Life, no further security of bug fix updates will be > released. It is recommended to ppa-purge the GNOME3 PPAs. You can > then > either upgrade to the next release or remain on the original release > until that release is End of Life. > > - Please use ppa-purge on all your PPAs (but especially the GNOME3 > PPAs) before upgrading to a new Ubuntu release. After upgrading, if > you still want a PPA, you are welcome to add it again. You may find > that you no longer need the PPA. > > - Because of how ppa-purge works, the Ubuntu GNOME developers cannot > remove packages from the GNOME3 PPAs at the PPA series' End of Life. > Just because the packages are available does not mean they are > actively maintained. > > - This policy will apply unless otherwise announced on the > ubuntu-gnome mailing list. > > Specific Dates > - > Ubuntu 16.10 "yakkety" GNOME3 PPA End of Life will be the end of May > 2017. > Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "xenial" GNOME3 PPA End of Life has been extended > to > the end of April 2017. > Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS without the PPAs will reach End of Life in > April 2019. > Remember that non-LTS releases are only supported for 9 months from > original release. > > Conclusion > > If you are using the GNOME3 PPAs for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, please > ppa-purge them. Then, either remain on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS or upgrade > to > Ubuntu 16.10. > > On behalf of the Ubuntu GNOME team, > Jeremy Bicha > -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Chris wrote: > sudo ppa-purge [ppa:]ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging > sudo ppa-purge -o gnome3-staging sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 Jeremy -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
On Wed, 2017-03-29 at 11:32 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Ari Torhamo > wrote: > > > > Thanks for the information. I have one question. Is it always > > obvious from > > the name or otherwise, that a PPA is one of those you are talking > > about? I > > think many GNOME users who have installed PPA's may have this > > question in > > their mind. > > Thank you for the question. This announcement is only about these 2 > PPAs: > > https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3/ > https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging/ > Jeremy, no matter how I run ppa-purge I can't seem to get rid of this one Hit:14 http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu xenial InRelease sudo ppa-purge [ppa:]ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging sudo ppa-purge -o gnome3-staging Therefore I must be doing something incorrectly. Chris -- Chris KeyID 0xE372A7DA98E6705C 31.11972; -97.90167 (Elev. 1092 ft) 11:20:15 up 1 day, 58 min, 1 user, load average: 1.38, 1.42, 1.33 Description:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS, kernel 4.4.0-70-generic-- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Ari Torhamo wrote: > Thanks for the information. I have one question. Is it always obvious from > the name or otherwise, that a PPA is one of those you are talking about? I > think many GNOME users who have installed PPA's may have this question in > their mind. Thank you for the question. This announcement is only about these 2 PPAs: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3/ https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging/ Jeremy -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
Thanks for the information. I have one question. Is it always obvious from the name or otherwise, that a PPA is one of those you are talking about? I think many GNOME users who have installed PPA's may have this question in their mind. Ari Torhamo On 29.03.2017 17:00, Jeremy Bicha wrote: The Ubuntu GNOME team makes available packages from the corresponding GNOME release that we are not able to get into the regular Ubuntu release. This provides an early look and valuable early testing of packages that we hope will be available in the next Ubuntu release. The GNOME3 PPAs do not have the same level of support as packages in the regular Ubuntu archives. There may be known and unknown bugs and regressions. Do not use the PPAs unless you 1) are comfortable using ppa-purge 2) backup your data and 3) are able to reinstall your operating system in case of a severe problem. The Ubuntu GNOME team has realized that we haven't been clear about the lifetime of these PPAs. Therefore, we are announcing this policy today. GNOME3 PPA End of Life Policy - Each PPA will reach End of Life 7 months after the original release date of the associated Ubuntu release. - At End of Life, no further security of bug fix updates will be released. It is recommended to ppa-purge the GNOME3 PPAs. You can then either upgrade to the next release or remain on the original release until that release is End of Life. - Please use ppa-purge on all your PPAs (but especially the GNOME3 PPAs) before upgrading to a new Ubuntu release. After upgrading, if you still want a PPA, you are welcome to add it again. You may find that you no longer need the PPA. - Because of how ppa-purge works, the Ubuntu GNOME developers cannot remove packages from the GNOME3 PPAs at the PPA series' End of Life. Just because the packages are available does not mean they are actively maintained. - This policy will apply unless otherwise announced on the ubuntu-gnome mailing list. Specific Dates - Ubuntu 16.10 "yakkety" GNOME3 PPA End of Life will be the end of May 2017. Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "xenial" GNOME3 PPA End of Life has been extended to the end of April 2017. Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS without the PPAs will reach End of Life in April 2019. Remember that non-LTS releases are only supported for 9 months from original release. Conclusion If you are using the GNOME3 PPAs for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, please ppa-purge them. Then, either remain on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS or upgrade to Ubuntu 16.10. On behalf of the Ubuntu GNOME team, Jeremy Bicha -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
GNOME3 PPA End of Life Announcement
The Ubuntu GNOME team makes available packages from the corresponding GNOME release that we are not able to get into the regular Ubuntu release. This provides an early look and valuable early testing of packages that we hope will be available in the next Ubuntu release. The GNOME3 PPAs do not have the same level of support as packages in the regular Ubuntu archives. There may be known and unknown bugs and regressions. Do not use the PPAs unless you 1) are comfortable using ppa-purge 2) backup your data and 3) are able to reinstall your operating system in case of a severe problem. The Ubuntu GNOME team has realized that we haven't been clear about the lifetime of these PPAs. Therefore, we are announcing this policy today. GNOME3 PPA End of Life Policy - Each PPA will reach End of Life 7 months after the original release date of the associated Ubuntu release. - At End of Life, no further security of bug fix updates will be released. It is recommended to ppa-purge the GNOME3 PPAs. You can then either upgrade to the next release or remain on the original release until that release is End of Life. - Please use ppa-purge on all your PPAs (but especially the GNOME3 PPAs) before upgrading to a new Ubuntu release. After upgrading, if you still want a PPA, you are welcome to add it again. You may find that you no longer need the PPA. - Because of how ppa-purge works, the Ubuntu GNOME developers cannot remove packages from the GNOME3 PPAs at the PPA series' End of Life. Just because the packages are available does not mean they are actively maintained. - This policy will apply unless otherwise announced on the ubuntu-gnome mailing list. Specific Dates - Ubuntu 16.10 "yakkety" GNOME3 PPA End of Life will be the end of May 2017. Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "xenial" GNOME3 PPA End of Life has been extended to the end of April 2017. Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS without the PPAs will reach End of Life in April 2019. Remember that non-LTS releases are only supported for 9 months from original release. Conclusion If you are using the GNOME3 PPAs for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, please ppa-purge them. Then, either remain on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS or upgrade to Ubuntu 16.10. On behalf of the Ubuntu GNOME team, Jeremy Bicha -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
