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Woa, calm down dude. How many people do you personally know that are using Linux? How many people have you installed Linux in their computers? How many usability tests have you conducted? Let me be clear, experts all over the world use this kids friendly (as you call it) naming: Apple, Google, GNOME, etc. Our goal as a system is to provide as much core GNOME experience, and that means the naming they have decided. We are not entitled to refute their decision, a decision based on real UX tests. The next time try to be more polite, please. This is a place to give constructive feedback, not a place to be all ranty. Cheers, Alfredo On 26 Jun 2015 7:49 pm, Bart Schouten mailing-l...@bart.ahum.nl wrote: If you think that's what an average user does, you have a very skewed way of an average user. The whole idea of Linux is to provide a customization that goes beyond Oh, do I click on Internet Explorer? How many people using Gnome fall into this average user category you hold? I would say 2% and after they've used the system for a month they're no longer that. You have a very skewed vision or image of real life, unless you want to make Kiosk computers. Anyone who is capable of installing Ubuntu Gnome will know what Firefox is. It doesn't take long to get to know what e.g. Evolution is, since it sports an email icon. The initial period of getting to know these applications is very short compared to the actual time you ought to be using it. If someone cannot install Ubuntu Gnome, you can be expected that they have a person who did install it for them and who can introduce them to these applications. After all, getting to know firefox and knowing its icon is pretty essential to being tutored in using a computer. What if a person uses Gnome for three months and someone asks what browser do you use? I don't know, it's called Web Browser. That means the learning experience of using Firefox is essentially disrupted because its identity is hidden. It makes no sense at all to name something after a category, I repeat. And most people who have used the system for three months and would have experienced two different browsers, would definitely pick a favourite. They do care if they know, and using a computer is all about exploration. I repeat, sorry if I say so, but that average user does hardly exist. You could call it novice user and novices do not remain that. You should not frustrate a user in learning more. You are treating people like children but also children who are too stupid to learn. The only thing the system is good for is a Kiosk computer (and perhaps quite well). A novice user cannot install a computer. These are people that ask friends for help in Installing Windows. They are too scared to do otherwise. Seriously, you have a skewed image. This target audience does not exist. For example, most people who have used Windows for a few years (and every teen has (almost)) will know what Firefox and Photoshop are. They know Instagram, Facebook, they know many apps for smarthphones, they know Whatsapp, the only program that doesn't use a distinctive name is Messenger. (Facebook Messenger). These are brand names that get acquired very quickly. They are not obstacles. You are blowing up the initial learning period to be a very difficult thing, and it is not. Learning brand names is a natural process and everyone does it everywhere all the time. Your cable company is not called Cable Company because it is not distinctive and does not identify. How many people do you think have trouble learning whatever its name is or what companies there are and what they offer? None. But naming it File Manager and Web browser introduces many obstacles, while the opposite really has no drawbacks and only advantages. It's only in your mind. I'm not sure if you have asked any average user. Typically, anyone who is involved with Linux is way more advanced than that. Most people I meet do not know what Ubuntu is, a few do, the more student minded. These people would never install it, but may have someone who wants to install it for them. Then, that person would be responsible for introducing the person to the system. I would not recommend a different system to anyone without personally making sure they are introduced. So all that's left is Kiosk computers, where average or new or unknown users get to use a computer that is workable fast without having a work-in period. In that case it makes sense. Not for a personal install. Not really. Anyway, these are just my thoughts again. I believe I'm pretty straight in this and pretty clear and I believe you are alienated from regular people if you believe any otherwise. Just give it a try and see how good it works. Any regular user can never find the program in e.g. a process explorer or overview, pretty much an essential feature. So the feature is broken. You break all kind of things with this and what is the
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I agree, but please tell me what the name is... If that is in the 'help - about' graphic, that is fine, but please tell me what it is. keith On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Alfredo Hernández aldomann.desi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Julien. Our purpose is to give a pure GNOME experience. The average user doesn't care if they are using Totem or VLC, they want a Video Player and they will most probably have only one video player installed. On 26 June 2015 at 17:33, Julien Olivier jul...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps only (and thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are still displayed using their real name. I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed their strategy since the last time I checked... Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit : I believe there is a middle point for this: Gedit text editor Nautilus file manager Firefox web browser etc. If someone names simply Web browser to Epiphany, how is named Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an applications menu: Web browser - This is Firefox (you must know) Web browser - This is Mirori (you must know) Web browser - This is Icecat (you must know) ...no sense. It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a bad names strategy: Sylpheed - This is an e-mail software (you must know) Evolution - This is an e-mail software (you must know) Geary - This is an e-mail software (you must know) El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit: Hi Bart, list, the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean* something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't. I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience. Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a Launch in terminal entry in the app's dash icon, next to New Window and Add to favourites, possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ? Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit : Quoting Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net informat...@actiu.net: I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: please name all programs in the UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring This problem is worse with localized UI. Yes. It makes no sense to name something File Manager instead of Nautilus when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the menu to describe it. I don't think File Manager (or whatever) makes much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer users do not know what file manager or anything with a name is and some of them don't even know what the button web is supposed to do (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator. Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those programs already. Just my opinion, as well. Bart. El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit: Hi, I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to release Freya. The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.)
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Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps only (and thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are still displayed using their real name. I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed their strategy since the last time I checked... Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit : I believe there is a middle point for this: Gedit text editor Nautilus file manager Firefox web browser etc. If someone names simply Web browser to Epiphany, how is named Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an applications menu: Web browser - This is Firefox (you must know) Web browser - This is Mirori (you must know) Web browser - This is Icecat (you must know) ...no sense. It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a bad names strategy: Sylpheed - This is an e-mail software (you must know) Evolution - This is an e-mail software (you must know) Geary - This is an e-mail software (you must know) El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit: Hi Bart, list, the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean* something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't. I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience. Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a Launch in terminal entry in the app's dash icon, next to New Window and Add to favourites, possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ? Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit : Quoting Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net: I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: please name all programs in the UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring This problem is worse with localized UI. Yes. It makes no sense to name something File Manager instead of Nautilus when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the menu to describe it. I don't think File Manager (or whatever) makes much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer users do not know what file manager or anything with a name is and some of them don't even know what the button web is supposed to do (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator. Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those programs already. Just my opinion, as well. Bart. El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit: Hi, I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to release Freya. The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.) Stuff that does not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO: 1. I can no longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as I try to use that module, the kernel panics and
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I believe there is a middle point for this: Gedit text editor Nautilus file manager Firefox web browser etc. If someone names simply Web browser to Epiphany, how is named Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an applications menu: Web browser - This is Firefox (you must know) Web browser - This is Mirori (you must know) Web browser - This is Icecat (you must know) ...no sense. It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a bad names strategy: Sylpheed - This is an e-mail software (you must know) Evolution - This is an e-mail software (you must know) Geary - This is an e-mail software (you must know) El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit: Hi Bart, list, the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean* something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't. I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience. Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a Launch in terminal entry in the app's dash icon, next to New Window and Add to favourites, possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ? Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit : Quoting Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net: I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: please name all programs in the UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring This problem is worse with localized UI. Yes. It makes no sense to name something File Manager instead of Nautilus when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the menu to describe it. I don't think File Manager (or whatever) makes much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer users do not know what file manager or anything with a name is and some of them don't even know what the button web is supposed to do (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator. Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those programs already. Just my opinion, as well. Bart. El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit: Hi, I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to release Freya. The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.) Stuff that does not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO: 1. I can no longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as I try to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the computer. It is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used to work correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after the first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able to be automated, this is a regression. | 2. ||The Gnome login screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have my users set auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I could set that for The
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If you think that's what an average user does, you have a very skewed way of an average user. The whole idea of Linux is to provide a customization that goes beyond Oh, do I click on Internet Explorer? How many people using Gnome fall into this average user category you hold? I would say 2% and after they've used the system for a month they're no longer that. You have a very skewed vision or image of real life, unless you want to make Kiosk computers. Anyone who is capable of installing Ubuntu Gnome will know what Firefox is. It doesn't take long to get to know what e.g. Evolution is, since it sports an email icon. The initial period of getting to know these applications is very short compared to the actual time you ought to be using it. If someone cannot install Ubuntu Gnome, you can be expected that they have a person who did install it for them and who can introduce them to these applications. After all, getting to know firefox and knowing its icon is pretty essential to being tutored in using a computer. What if a person uses Gnome for three months and someone asks what browser do you use? I don't know, it's called Web Browser. That means the learning experience of using Firefox is essentially disrupted because its identity is hidden. It makes no sense at all to name something after a category, I repeat. And most people who have used the system for three months and would have experienced two different browsers, would definitely pick a favourite. They do care if they know, and using a computer is all about exploration. I repeat, sorry if I say so, but that average user does hardly exist. You could call it novice user and novices do not remain that. You should not frustrate a user in learning more. You are treating people like children but also children who are too stupid to learn. The only thing the system is good for is a Kiosk computer (and perhaps quite well). A novice user cannot install a computer. These are people that ask friends for help in Installing Windows. They are too scared to do otherwise. Seriously, you have a skewed image. This target audience does not exist. For example, most people who have used Windows for a few years (and every teen has (almost)) will know what Firefox and Photoshop are. They know Instagram, Facebook, they know many apps for smarthphones, they know Whatsapp, the only program that doesn't use a distinctive name is Messenger. (Facebook Messenger). These are brand names that get acquired very quickly. They are not obstacles. You are blowing up the initial learning period to be a very difficult thing, and it is not. Learning brand names is a natural process and everyone does it everywhere all the time. Your cable company is not called Cable Company because it is not distinctive and does not identify. How many people do you think have trouble learning whatever its name is or what companies there are and what they offer? None. But naming it File Manager and Web browser introduces many obstacles, while the opposite really has no drawbacks and only advantages. It's only in your mind. I'm not sure if you have asked any average user. Typically, anyone who is involved with Linux is way more advanced than that. Most people I meet do not know what Ubuntu is, a few do, the more student minded. These people would never install it, but may have someone who wants to install it for them. Then, that person would be responsible for introducing the person to the system. I would not recommend a different system to anyone without personally making sure they are introduced. So all that's left is Kiosk computers, where average or new or unknown users get to use a computer that is workable fast without having a work-in period. In that case it makes sense. Not for a personal install. Not really. Anyway, these are just my thoughts again. I believe I'm pretty straight in this and pretty clear and I believe you are alienated from regular people if you believe any otherwise. Just give it a try and see how good it works. Any regular user can never find the program in e.g. a process explorer or overview, pretty much an essential feature. So the feature is broken. You break all kind of things with this and what is the benefit? It is none. It is in your mind. Nobody really likes it except people who have rationalized it. Sorry, but... It's really clear as daylight. It makes it a worse system by far. The out of the Box Gnome experience is not all that good It is apparently a new concept that was tried and tested as a deviationg from the standard and the norm and the accustomed and the regular way of doing things in business and in life, and has the deviation really been evaluated? I think not. It is just an idea. Nobody really knows if it works and for whom, because the people who are advocating it are definitely not that category of average
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At least, anyone who has gone to school and had to use a computer for school knows their way around it. That might be the main point. Targetting people that have not? http://liliputing.com/2015/04/endless-computers-a-169-pc-and-operating-system-for-developing-markets-crowdfunding.html it might be that not always gnome users are a niche within a niche (ubuntu gnome being a niche in ubuntu and ubuntu being a niche in Gnu/Linux and Gnu/Linux a niche within computer users and computer users within the world population that might or might not have access to computers) I do agree people are more clever than they get credit for. But if someone comes to the mailing list saying that their 'web' app is not Working properly we can assume a) it's a novice user and b) it is the default web app? Unless when doing a Google web search it offers to install chrome when searching in ubuntu gnome as well? That would be the only case I can imagine a novice having two web browsers? El 26 de junio de 2015 18:48:47 GMT+01:00, Bart Schouten mailing-l...@bart.ahum.nl escribió: If you think that's what an average user does, you have a very skewed way of an average user. The whole idea of Linux is to provide a customization that goes beyond Oh, do I click on Internet Explorer? How many people using Gnome fall into this average user category you hold? I would say 2% and after they've used the system for a month they're no longer that. You have a very skewed vision or image of real life, unless you want to make Kiosk computers. Anyone who is capable of installing Ubuntu Gnome will know what Firefox is. It doesn't take long to get to know what e.g. Evolution is, since it sports an email icon. The initial period of getting to know these applications is very short compared to the actual time you ought to be using it. If someone cannot install Ubuntu Gnome, you can be expected that they have a person who did install it for them and who can introduce them to these applications. After all, getting to know firefox and knowing its icon is pretty essential to being tutored in using a computer. What if a person uses Gnome for three months and someone asks what browser do you use? I don't know, it's called Web Browser. That means the learning experience of using Firefox is essentially disrupted because its identity is hidden. It makes no sense at all to name something after a category, I repeat. And most people who have used the system for three months and would have experienced two different browsers, would definitely pick a favourite. They do care if they know, and using a computer is all about exploration. I repeat, sorry if I say so, but that average user does hardly exist. You could call it novice user and novices do not remain that. You should not frustrate a user in learning more. You are treating people like children but also children who are too stupid to learn. The only thing the system is good for is a Kiosk computer (and perhaps quite well). A novice user cannot install a computer. These are people that ask friends for help in Installing Windows. They are too scared to do otherwise. Seriously, you have a skewed image. This target audience does not exist. For example, most people who have used Windows for a few years (and every teen has (almost)) will know what Firefox and Photoshop are. They know Instagram, Facebook, they know many apps for smarthphones, they know Whatsapp, the only program that doesn't use a distinctive name is Messenger. (Facebook Messenger). These are brand names that get acquired very quickly. They are not obstacles. You are blowing up the initial learning period to be a very difficult thing, and it is not. Learning brand names is a natural process and everyone does it everywhere all the time. Your cable company is not called Cable Company because it is not distinctive and does not identify. How many people do you think have trouble learning whatever its name is or what companies there are and what they offer? None. But naming it File Manager and Web browser introduces many obstacles, while the opposite really has no drawbacks and only advantages. It's only in your mind. I'm not sure if you have asked any average user. Typically, anyone who is involved with Linux is way more advanced than that. Most people I meet do not know what Ubuntu is, a few do, the more student minded. These people would never install it, but may have someone who wants to install it for them. Then, that person would be responsible for introducing the person to the system. I would not recommend a different system to anyone without personally making sure they are introduced. So all that's left is Kiosk computers, where average or new or unknown users get to use a computer that is workable fast without having a work-in period. In that case it makes sense. Not for a personal install. Not really. Anyway, these are
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El 26 de junio de 2015 17:15:26 GMT+01:00, Keith Grider keith.gri...@gmail.com escribió: I agree, but please tell me what the name is... If that is in the 'help - about' graphic, that is fine, but please tell me what it is. +1 This would help me and those I potentially support. keith On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Alfredo Hernández aldomann.desi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Julien. Our purpose is to give a pure GNOME experience. The average user doesn't care if they are using Totem or VLC, they want a Video Player and they will most probably have only one video player installed. On 26 June 2015 at 17:33, Julien Olivier jul...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps only (and thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are still displayed using their real name. I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed their strategy since the last time I checked... Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit : I believe there is a middle point for this: Gedit text editor Nautilus file manager Firefox web browser etc. If someone names simply Web browser to Epiphany, how is named Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an applications menu: Web browser - This is Firefox (you must know) Web browser - This is Mirori (you must know) Web browser - This is Icecat (you must know) ...no sense. It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a bad names strategy: Sylpheed - This is an e-mail software (you must know) Evolution - This is an e-mail software (you must know) Geary - This is an e-mail software (you must know) El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit: Hi Bart, list, the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean* something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't. I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience. Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a Launch in terminal entry in the app's dash icon, next to New Window and Add to favourites, possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ? Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit : Quoting Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net informat...@actiu.net: I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: please name all programs in the UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring This problem is worse with localized UI. Yes. It makes no sense to name something File Manager instead of Nautilus when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the menu to describe it. I don't think File Manager (or whatever) makes much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer users do not know what file manager or anything with a name is and some of them don't even know what the button web is supposed to do (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator. Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those programs already. Just my opinion, as well. Bart. El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit: Hi, I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to release Freya. The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan
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Hi Bart, list, the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean* something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't. I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience. Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a Launch in terminal entry in the app's dash icon, next to New Window and Add to favourites, possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ? Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit : Quoting Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net: I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: please name all programs in the UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring This problem is worse with localized UI. Yes. It makes no sense to name something File Manager instead of Nautilus when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the menu to describe it. I don't think File Manager (or whatever) makes much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer users do not know what file manager or anything with a name is and some of them don't even know what the button web is supposed to do (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator. Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those programs already. Just my opinion, as well. Bart. El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit: Hi, I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to release Freya. The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.) Stuff that does not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO: 1. I can no longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as I try to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the computer. It is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used to work correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after the first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able to be automated, this is a regression. | 2. ||The Gnome login screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have my users set auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I could set that for The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI somehow. It has been this way for a while and it is a regression, IMO. 3. The Gnome login screen does not have a suspend option. All I can do is shut down or reboot from the login screen. 4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer has a .desktop file for right clicking and launching *.jar files in Nautilus, it must be created by hand to run these files. 5. Please, please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is to be able to
Re: Feedback Time
Hi, On Do, 2015-06-25 at 19:30 +1000, Ali/amjjawad wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Michael Flaig mfl...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Ali, I really would like to participate in the survey. The first question troubles me already. There is no 15.10 option :-)I Hi :) We are not talking about 15.10 as it is 'not' released yet :) Of course, still I want to give my Feedback and I think it would be interesting to see how many people jump to the next upcoming release as soon as the current one is stable... I just want the most current stable Gnome applications and in this cycle also Wayland, so I stick with devel :) With Wayland the login is lightning fast and my 3 Monitors get configured much quicker when I put my machine in the dock. ... Wayland rocks! Cheers, Mike -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: Feedback Time
PRIVATE SURVEY??!! This is the first and big problem I've found. I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. El 25/06/15 a les 05:19, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit: Dear everyone, Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04), I'd like to run this survey before anything else: https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/ It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS* think :) I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to apologize in advance for any inconvenience. You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this mailing list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :) The survey should *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time. *Here is the direct link:* http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the questions carefully ;) Thank you so much! -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME http://ubuntugnome.org/ -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
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Hi, On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net wrote: PRIVATE SURVEY??!! Hold your horses ;) This is the first and big problem I've found. I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. Please, do check the attached screenshot. I had to do that so each and very one vote or do the survey ONLY once! I am NOT interested with spam nor spammers. I do need actual and real data. You just need to sign it with your google account. Unless you don't have google account, that is different story. By the way, could you please fix the problem of sending twice? everytime you reply, I got 2 copies of your email instead of one. Maybe un-subscribe and then re-subscribe again? Thanks :) El 25/06/15 a les 05:19, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit: Dear everyone, Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04), I'd like to run this survey before anything else: https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/ It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS* think :) I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to apologize in advance for any inconvenience. You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this mailing list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :) The survey should *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time. *Here is the direct link:* http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the questions carefully ;) Thank you so much! -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME http://ubuntugnome.org/ -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad *http://kibo.computer http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME http://ubuntugnome.org/ -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: Ubuntu GNOME Mailing List is not configured correctly (was: Re: Feedback Time)
e.g. when I want to reply directly to the mailing list via the message's window, there used to be a button Reply to this list, but it cannot be clicked. Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the Ice Cream Principle. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one condition: they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on what's cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on. Original Message Subject: Ubuntu GNOME Mailing List is not configured correctly (was: Re: Feedback Time) Time (GMT): Jun 25 2015 11:20:17 From: amjja...@gnome.org To: bub...@protonmail.ch, dark...@fastmail.fm CC: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com Hi, On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Patrik Bubák bub...@protonmail.ch wrote: I too can confirm, that the list is not configured to be replied to. I've noticed this a long time ago both via Thunderbird and Evolution. If truth to be told, I am not sure what you guys are talking about? Anyway, I have partial access to the mailing list. I believe Tim has the full access to it. I am including Tim so hopefully he could share some information in this regard but again, for me, I am not sure what is the deal here?! As I have mentioned before, I am having this issue (duplicate) only on this list and only with one sender. Everyone else and every other list are all okay. Thanks! Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the Ice Cream Principle. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one condition: they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on what's cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on. Original Message Subject: Re: Feedback Time Time (GMT): Jun 25 2015 11:00:27 From: informat...@actiu.net To: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com Ali, I suppose you haven't reveived duplicated this post (and previous one), because I've removed your e-mail address from recipients after my Reply all. List is not configured to reply to the list, and doesn't insert RFC2369 headers such as List-Post. If I receive everyone's post in list (including not addressed to me), this means I'm subscribed to it. About survey: I still see a login filter when trying to enter to Survey with the link published at: https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/ At this Google wall I find other links to they harvest my personal data and to agree collecting all data about communications with my devices and computers. I use GNU/Linux concerned about my freedom, and I tell others about free software including this matter (contrary to Google's policy). If you send me an attachment with the Survey, I'll be very happy to fill it and make this my small contribution to the project. I believe that talking this question in the list can be useful to provide other criteria. El 25/06/15 a les 11:42, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit: Hi, On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net wrote: This mailing list is not properly configured, and it's easier [Reply all] than other reply options in mail client. With all due respect, I've been around for many years on many different mailing lists and IIRC, this is the first time I receive duplicate emails from the same sender and it happens that you're the only one on Ubuntu GNOME mailing list so, I don't think the mailing list has a problem, AFAIK. Are you 100% sure you have subscribed to the mailing list?! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs#General_Mailing_List I am using Gmail web interface. I am not blaming you or complaining but I was just wondering why you're the only one I receive duplicate emails from?! I repeat: I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. That is your choice and I respect it but I am really sorry, I have no time to waste on finding other alternatives at the moment. Maybe with the next survey ;) Beside, you're the only one who is complaining :) 44 responses so far :) I made your life easier already: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2015-June/003130.html You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this mailing list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :) If you're not a friend of Google, then you can send your feedback about Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 LTS and 15.04 here on this mailing list by starting a new thread. I have made a copy of the survey and I removed the option that asks the user to login in order to do the survey. If you wish, I can send you only that copy so that you won't miss the survey. As long as you replied, it means you do care about sharing your opinion and I am
Ubuntu GNOME Mailing List is not configured correctly (was: Re: Feedback Time)
Hi, On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Patrik Bubák bub...@protonmail.ch wrote: I too can confirm, that the list is not configured to be replied to. I've noticed this a long time ago both via Thunderbird and Evolution. If truth to be told, I am not sure what you guys are talking about? Anyway, I have partial access to the mailing list. I believe Tim has the full access to it. I am including Tim so hopefully he could share some information in this regard but again, for me, I am not sure what is the deal here?! As I have mentioned before, I am having this issue (duplicate) only on this list and only with one sender. Everyone else and every other list are all okay. Thanks! Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the *Ice Cream Principle*. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one condition: they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on what's cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on. Original Message Subject: Re: Feedback Time Time (GMT): Jun 25 2015 11:00:27 From: informat...@actiu.net To: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com Ali, I suppose you haven't reveived duplicated this post (and previous one), because I've removed your e-mail address from recipients after my Reply all. List is not configured to reply to the list, and doesn't insert RFC2369 headers such as List-Post. If I receive everyone's post in list (including not addressed to me), this means I'm subscribed to it. About survey: I still see a login filter when trying to enter to Survey with the link published at: https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/ At this Google wall I find other links to they harvest my personal data and to agree collecting all data about communications with my devices and computers. I use GNU/Linux concerned about my freedom, and I tell others about free software including this matter (contrary to Google's policy). If you send me an attachment with the Survey, I'll be very happy to fill it and make this my small contribution to the project. I believe that talking this question in the list can be useful to provide other criteria. El 25/06/15 a les 11:42, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit: Hi, On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net wrote: This mailing list is not properly configured, and it's easier [Reply all] than other reply options in mail client. With all due respect, I've been around for many years on many different mailing lists and IIRC, this is the first time I receive duplicate emails from the same sender and it happens that you're the only one on Ubuntu GNOME mailing list so, I don't think the mailing list has a problem, AFAIK. Are you 100% sure you have subscribed to the mailing list?! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs#General_Mailing_List I am using Gmail web interface. I am not blaming you or complaining but I was just wondering why you're the only one I receive duplicate emails from?! I repeat: I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. That is your choice and I respect it but I am really sorry, I have no time to waste on finding other alternatives at the moment. Maybe with the next survey ;) Beside, you're the only one who is complaining :) 44 responses so far :) I made your life easier already: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2015-June/003130.html You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this mailing list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :) If you're not a friend of Google, then you can send your feedback about Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 LTS and 15.04 here on this mailing list by starting a new thread. I have made a copy of the survey and I removed the option that asks the user to login in order to do the survey. If you wish, I can send you only that copy so that you won't miss the survey. As long as you replied, it means you do care about sharing your opinion and I am interested to learn from your experience and how it was with Ubuntu GNOME :) Thank you! El 25/06/15 a les 08:56, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit: Hi, On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net wrote: PRIVATE SURVEY??!! Hold your horses ;) This is the first and big problem I've found. I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. Please, do check the attached screenshot. I had to do that so each and very one vote or do the survey ONLY once! I am NOT interested with spam nor spammers. I do need actual and real data. You just need to sign it with your google account. Unless you don't have google account, that is different story
Re: Feedback Time
I repeat: I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. That is your choice and I respect it but I am really sorry, I have no time to waste on finding other alternatives at the moment. Maybe with the next survey ;) Beside, you're the only one who is complaining :) 44 responses so far :) Hi, I am one of the respondants and did not complain since it is your free time and I understand Google is the easiest solution. But would rather not use it, even though I am still relying on it I am trying to drop off my dependance on Google services. Thank you for your offer to look for alternatives next year. Thank you for your work on the survey and everything else. -- Richmond.ml Ham United Group-- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: Feedback Time
Ali, I suppose you haven't reveived duplicated this post (and previous one), because I've removed your e-mail address from recipients after my Reply all. List is not configured to reply to the list, and doesn't insert RFC2369 headers such as List-Post. If I receive everyone's post in list (including not addressed to me), this means I'm subscribed to it. About survey: I still see a login filter when trying to enter to Survey with the link published at: https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/ At this Google wall I find other links to they harvest my personal data and to agree collecting all data about communications with my devices and computers. I use GNU/Linux concerned about my freedom, and I tell others about free software including this matter (contrary to Google's policy). If you send me an attachment with the Survey, I'll be very happy to fill it and make this my small contribution to the project. I believe that talking this question in the list can be useful to provide other criteria. El 25/06/15 a les 11:42, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit: Hi, On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net wrote: This mailing list is not properly configured, and it's easier [Reply all] than other reply options in mail client. With all due respect, I've been around for many years on many different mailing lists and IIRC, this is the first time I receive duplicate emails from the same sender and it happens that you're the only one on Ubuntu GNOME mailing list so, I don't think the mailing list has a problem, AFAIK. Are you 100% sure you have subscribed to the mailing list?! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs#General_Mailing_List I am using Gmail web interface. I am not blaming you or complaining but I was just wondering why you're the only one I receive duplicate emails from?! I repeat: I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. That is your choice and I respect it but I am really sorry, I have no time to waste on finding other alternatives at the moment. Maybe with the next survey ;) Beside, you're the only one who is complaining :) 44 responses so far :) I made your life easier already: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2015-June/003130.html You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this mailing list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :) If you're not a friend of Google, then you can send your feedback about Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 LTS and 15.04 here on this mailing list by starting a new thread. I have made a copy of the survey and I removed the option that asks the user to login in order to do the survey. If you wish, I can send you only that copy so that you won't miss the survey. As long as you replied, it means you do care about sharing your opinion and I am interested to learn from your experience and how it was with Ubuntu GNOME :) Thank you! El 25/06/15 a les 08:56, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit: Hi, On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net wrote: PRIVATE SURVEY??!! Hold your horses ;) This is the first and big problem I've found. I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. Please, do check the attached screenshot. I had to do that so each and very one vote or do the survey ONLY once! I am NOT interested with spam nor spammers. I do need actual and real data. You just need to sign it with your google account. Unless you don't have google account, that is different story. By the way, could you please fix the problem of sending twice? everytime you reply, I got 2 copies of your email instead of one. Maybe un-subscribe and then re-subscribe again? Thanks :) El 25/06/15 a les 05:19, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit: Dear everyone, Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04), I'd like to run this survey before anything else: https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/ It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS* think :) I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to apologize in advance for any inconvenience. You can *ALWAYS*
Re: Feedback Time
Just for posterity's sake, I also don't use Google services so can't fill out the form. Thanks Leo On 25/06/15 13:35, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: I repeat: I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. That is your choice and I respect it but I am really sorry, I have no time to waste on finding other alternatives at the moment. Maybe with the next survey ;) Beside, you're the only one who is complaining :) 44 responses so far :) Hi, I am one of the respondants and did not complain since it is your free time and I understand Google is the easiest solution. But would rather not use it, even though I am still relying on it I am trying to drop off my dependance on Google services. Thank you for your offer to look for alternatives next year. Thank you for your work on the survey and everything else. -- Richmond.ml http://Richmond.ml Ham United Group -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: Feedback Time
Although I'm not particularly bothered about which survey is used, but perhaps @Ali could try one of these to satisfy all? http://alternativeto.net/software/google-forms/ Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the Ice Cream Principle. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one condition: they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on what's cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on. Original Message Subject: Re: Feedback Time Time (GMT): Jun 25 2015 07:56:08 From: informat...@actiu.net To: CC: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com This mailing list is not properly configured, and it's easier [Reply all] than other reply options in mail client. I repeat: I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. El 25/06/15 a les 08:56, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit: Hi, On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Narcis Garcia informat...@actiu.net mailto:informat...@actiu.net wrote: PRIVATE SURVEY??!! Hold your horses ;) This is the first and big problem I've found. I'm not friend/customer/user of Google. Please, do check the attached screenshot. I had to do that so each and very one vote or do the survey ONLY once! I am NOT interested with spam nor spammers. I do need actual and real data. You just need to sign it with your google account. Unless you don't have google account, that is different story. By the way, could you please fix the problem of sending twice? everytime you reply, I got 2 copies of your email instead of one. Maybe un-subscribe and then re-subscribe again? Thanks :) El 25/06/15 a les 05:19, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit: Dear everyone, Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04), I'd like to run this survey before anything else: https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/ It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS* think :) I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to apologize in advance for any inconvenience. You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this mailing list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :) The survey should *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time. *Here is the direct link:* http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the questions carefully ;) Thank you so much! -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME http://ubuntugnome.org/ -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME http://ubuntugnome.org/ -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome-- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: Feedback Time
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Michael Flaig mfl...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Ali, I really would like to participate in the survey. The first question troubles me already. There is no 15.10 option :-) Hi :) We are not talking about 15.10 as it is 'not' released yet :) We have asked for feedback about what we have released already :) I have explained everything on that survey + on the website's post ;) Thank you! -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad *http://kibo.computer http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME http://ubuntugnome.org/ -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: Feedback Time
On Thursday, June 25, 2015 01:19:51 PM Ali/amjjawad wrote: Dear everyone, Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04), I'd like to run this survey before anything else: https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/ It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS* think :) I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to apologize in advance for any inconvenience. You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this mailing list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :) The survey should *NOT* take more than *3 minutes* from your time. *Here is the direct link:* http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the questions carefully ;) Thank you so much! First, Wily is 15.10 :) Second, I did the survey even though I am KDE guy as I like to keep up with GNOME as well as I do enjoy its interface as well. It works very well on my laptop. -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
