Re: [ubuntu-in] DTP on Ubuntu
> OpenOffice is quite good enough and we are using OpenOffice is print > an magazine in Telugu (in A5 size). We typeset the document in A5 and > print it in broacher mode to get 2 pages on one side of paper. > > Here is a sample pdf for your reference. > > http://kottapalli.in/static/pdf/kottapalli_2009_10_book.pdf Oops! This PDF was generated with half the size of Legal paper. Earlier we used to work with A5 size. Anand -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] DTP on Ubuntu
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote: > Hi Brijithp, shrinivasan and Zaki > > Nope OOO is not good enough - try and make a A5 size multipage booklet > - its eventually ends up in a hack job - OOO does not offer any tools > to reorder printing such that it knows what comes after the first page > - OpenOffice is quite good enough and we are using OpenOffice is print an magazine in Telugu (in A5 size). We typeset the document in A5 and print it in broacher mode to get 2 pages on one side of paper. Here is a sample pdf for your reference. http://kottapalli.in/static/pdf/kottapalli_2009_10_book.pdf > Sure scribus is good to layout stuff etc- but the same problem - try > getting it to print a a5 page booklet - it does not know how to do > that. Even though Scribus is superior in typesetting, it doesn't render indian fonts well. Anand -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] free media DVD for ubuntu
> Hello friends , > Can i know is there any option for UBUNTU DVD . > What are the extra softwares provided in DVD. > I have very slow net connection downloading a DVD is worst . You can order Ubuntu DVD from http://www.zyxware.com/requestcd. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Wireless LAN working but not Internet
> Iam able to access my network computers, local IP Address sites. But iam > unable to connect to Internet, each time i try it say page load error. Then it must be either DNS problem or gateway problem. Try this: $ ping 208.67.222.222 If it works, then problem is with you DNS server. To fix the DNS problem, edit /etc/resolv.conf and add the following lines. # set name servers to Open DNS nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 If ping doesn't work, the the problem is with your gateway. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu India Distribution
> Am sorry but the *real word* does not mean piracy, esp, not in a school > where fundamentals have to be straight - if kids are going to grow up > learning piracy is ok then i feel sorry for the kids and their generation. Sad. But that is the reality. Lets not worry that it is a school. That is the case in any rural scenario. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu India Distribution
> there is enough support for telegu and the fonts used are already unicode , > infact one advantage of Ubuntu is that you could have multiple language > interface options - people can boot into Ubuntu english, telegu and / or any > other language of choice - again unlike Windows where you would need > seperate installs for separate langauges. Mostly true, but there are some issues. People in the windows world have seen lot of beautiful fonts through proprietary software like Anu Fonts etc. and the number of fonts in the Ubuntu are limited. People type in Telugu using Baraha on Windows and there is no phonetic keyboard layout for Telugu in Ubuntu. (You can get one to work using scim-bridge and it is not reliable). >> Though their scale is small, they represent typical rural scenario >> (with no people with experience in Linux and no/slow internet >> connection). > > we too started off without an internet connection and survived on magazine > distro's so its not a real problem - esp if you can get hold of the repos > dvd's. Good to hear that. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu India Distribution
> May I ask where this school is located? Canonical also has partners > who can provide support: > > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/partners/solution/#as Prakruti Badi, Chennekottapalli, Anantapur District, Andhra Pradesh. It is run by an NGO, Timbaktu Collective (http://timbaktu.org). Its a rural school and they don't have enough funds to buy professional services. They have 5-6 computers and they mainly use computers to: * prepare course material (work sheets, exams papers etc) * type various documents (in English and Telugu) * play songs and movies for children * let children get familiar with computers * manage content for http://kottapalli.in (an e-magazine for children in Telugu run by that school) Though their scale is small, they represent typical rural scenario (with no people with experience in Linux and no/slow internet connection). I feel that If I can manage to switch them to Ubuntu without much pain, it can be done elsewhere too. > As mentioned earlier, I'd suggest that you try the DVD, and you could > ask the partners for any customization and support that the school may > need. Thanks for pointing that. I have already started downloading the DVD. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu India Distribution
> ok if one of your target audience really want to compare windows and Ubuntu > - give them two machines and basic set of instructions and ask them to > install either OS- or maybe do an install with them - look at the number of > cd's / dvd's that windows needs - for every piece of software they need one > mpore disc - and we have not go to the stage of drivers as yet - which in > windows are as much if nor more of a pain That is not a fair comparison. They are using windows from quite some time and they know how to solve their problems. Even if they can't solve their problems they can call some local expert or take the machine to a nearby town. Most of the time, the number of CDs required for installing windows is 2. One for windows itself and another for all the other software they use. >> For ubuntu to be popular at that scale (atleast reach people at that >> level), it should be possible to use system without internet >> connection. > > It is , if you know how and get in touch with more users and get the right > info. Right now there are more users of windows and hence it seems that > everything is easy but thats not really the case - the heartburn and worries > that virus' and worms cause cannot compare to the peace of mind linux users > have. There is always resistance to change and I'm just trying to reduce the resistance by making that process easier. > However i would like to say > 1. Don't compare pirated windows with Ubuntu - ethically for a school it > sucks and they should know it - buying pirated software to teach kids thats > not on. I'm taking about the *real world*. > 2. Do you and the school have a clear reason for ubuntu - if so what is it - > make sure everybody understands - changing over to ubuntu will not be pain > free there will be some grief - even in the long run , however if your > reasons are clear then the grief will be tolerable and even acceptable Many teachers are ready for the switch, only if the installation process is easier. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu India Distribution
>> * Standard Ubuntu Distribution doesn't play mp3 files > > Why does a school needs to play mp3 files? The teachers like to show some movies and play some songs to the children. >> * Doesn't come with all Indian fonts (there are some by default but >> more needs to be installed) > > What is wrong with using only one font per language? The default Telugu font is not the best available. >> * Adding packages is painful when there is no/slow internet connection. > > You are correct. Ubuntu is not one stop solution for all use cases. If > you want most of the packages to be available on CD then you should > use Debian. I don't like to confuse the users to call what they already knew as Firefox as IceWeasel and so on. > If you want to use ubuntu in school then you should use edubuntu and > try to customize it. I looked at Edubuntu and find that it is heavier than Ubuntu. I felt that it is more convenient to take Ubuntu and add educational software to it. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu India Distribution
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Parthan SR wrote: > Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> So, I started building a new distribution with the following. >> * A/V codecs bad and ugly >> * flash plugin (from adobe) >> > Am afraid whether it is legal or illegal to package this into a CD. > IIRC, they are from non-free portion of the repository > which is the reason why they're not included in the Ubuntu CD. > Neither do any other distribution distributes them in their CDs. I have read flash plugin license and it allows you to distribute the binaries on a CD. However, it prohibits you from keeping it available online. I haven't found what kind of restrictions are there in distributing bad and ugly gstreamer plugins. Ubuntu website just gives the following warning. "In some countries, the use of certain codecs may be prohibited by law. You should verify that you are permitted to use them before installing them." Do you know what kind of restrictions are there on distributing these packages? -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu India Distribution
> --- > | What if an individual user wants to install ubuntu on his machine > | without internet connection? > \-- > > Take it from the local mirror that is setup. The local mirror can be > updated in the night with cron job -- automatically. Windows popular in local community because they can get windows CD anywhere and get all software they want by asking a vendor. Even if you go to a mandal head quarters and you will be able to get a copy of windows and any software that is commonly required. For ubuntu to be popular at that scale (atleast reach people at that level), it should be possible to use system without internet connection. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu-in.org down
> ubuntu-in.org and ubuntu-in.info point to the same website, the former > is an old url which we're still retaining so older links still work. > Thanks for the information, the site is now accessible. Any reason for making ubuntu-in.info as the main website instead of ubuntu-in.org? -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu India Distribution
> Do you have any form of Internet connectivity available in their premises? Yes, but it is very slow. > Which Ubuntu distribution are you referring to? Every ubuntu distribution. You need to install additional codecs. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats > IMHO, it would be useful to use any form of Internet connection at the > school premises along with this mailing list and IRC (#ubuntu-in at > irc.freenode.net) for your queries and support. I can do that, but not the target audience. I want people who are not used to internet start using ubuntu. > Why a CD? If it is one user, having a CD with extra packages helps. > But, when you have a network, it is my recommendation that you setup a > system that acts as a local mirror, and you can use that to do a > network install/update on all the machines: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Server%20and%20network%20installations It is not practical solution in many cases. It works only if there is a system-admin to take care of the systems. What if an individual user wants to install ubuntu on his machine without internet connection? Many people think that Ubuntu can be used only if you have internet connection and I'm trying break that. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
[ubuntu-in] ubuntu-in.org down
ubuntu-in.org website is down. Is it maintained by somebody in this list? I saw there is one more website ubuntu-in.info and that is also down. Which one of these is the official website of this group? -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
[ubuntu-in] Ubuntu India Distribution
I'm a user of Ubuntu and I try to promote it whereever I go. Recently I have been working with a school to covert their systems to Ubuntu and here are some problems that I faced. * Standard Ubuntu Distribution doesn't play mp3 files * Doesn't come with all Indian fonts (there are some by default but more needs to be installed) * Adding packages is painful when there is no/slow internet connection. Only way to overcome this problem seems to have a distribution with most of the required software available out-of-the-box. I looked around to see if there is anybody is doing the same. There were some initiatives like this[1], but looks like there are not under active development. (Please let me know if there is any such work in progress) [1]: https://launchpad.net/~ind-ubuntu So, I started building a new distribution with the following. * language support for all Indian languages (language-support-te, language-support-kn, ...) * all indian fonts (ttf-telugu-fonts, ttf-kannada-fonts etc.) * A/V codecs bad and ugly * flash plugin (from adobe) * indic-input-extension to firefox To save space on the CD, I removed foreign language support and some other less important packages. I'm also thinking of creating a companion CD with some packages to help people with no/slow internet connection to add additional packages easily. If you have are interested to participate or have any suggestions/comments, please let me know. Anand -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
