Re: [ubuntu-in] (no subject)

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Good write up, but can be toned up a little. When you are addressing the 
audience, it always pays to keep their attention hooked. You would also 
benefit from keeping your target audience in mind.


I am not sure but really don't know as to why the moderators allow 
external links to blogs to be posted here. To my understanding, this 
list is for support and release announcements. I think, it should be 
made clear on the outset.


Thanks.

On 05/24/2011 06:07 PM, ANKUR AGGARWAL wrote:
Sorry. That's not malicious at all. That's my blog. I will provide 
full url's in the future. Sorry for the trouble


On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Mehul Ved > wrote:



On May 24, 2011 12:19 PM, "ANKUR AGGARWAL"
mailto:coolankur2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Switching from Windows to Ubuntu was the toughest and happiest
decision of my life. As I have learned so much from this
community,I want to share my experience plus want to remove some
myths about Linux . Please Read It at http://t.co/zxs3NEb

Please don't use short urls. How can we trust that it isn't malicious?


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 11.04

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Last heard, Unity had a lot of issues working with the proprietary 
drivers. As I understand, its a major release and a step away from the 
Gnome 2.xx in the previous version.


If I were you, I would not install Ubuntu 11.04 because apart from the 
user interface, there is nothing new in the release barring some changes 
in the default applications and a "new" software center (with paid 
software).


For the new users, I would recommend the Unity interface to stabilize 
and the bugs to be ironed out.


If you are really interested to try out the "new software", you could 
install ppa's instead.



On 04/28/2011 12:10 PM, fahad fazil wrote:

How to download 11.04  ??? Ubuntu.com is still having 10.10

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Website theme decided

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On 04/20/2011 10:05 PM, Maitraya Bhattacharyya wrote:
What about creating original content (e.g. "Make GIMP more powerful by 
doing xyz" where everyone of us can write what they know and  the 
article will improve).
This means that someone has to really dig in heels and create content; 
if it is targeted towards "newbies", it would be incomplete without 
screenshots etc. And it makes NO sense to duplicate the efforts.


Remember: This is not meant to be an Ubuntu knowledge site like 
OMG!Ubuntu. This will provide LoCo centric articles and some stuff to 
make the Ubuntu user feel more comfortable.
True, but I remember the time when I used to stare a spartan 'Indian 
Loco' web site without being of any use. The best help was in the IRC 
but then,it depends on the active participation. I wonder how many are 
really aware.


Ultimately it's your decision but I can only chime in my ideas. 
Seriously, it takes a lot to convince someone steeped in Windows 
XP/Vista/7 crapware to even look at Ubuntu/Linux derivatives because it 
is perceived to just "work" (whatever annoyances Windows XP may have). 
If you such a user base to start off with, they would need ways and 
means to get aggregated content in one place. It would also be a strong 
case of more user interaction on the site.


On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Stereotactic <mailto:maill...@postinbox.com>> wrote:


A much better idea would be to aggregate the content from Ubuntu
focused web sites. This would avoid a lot of duplication of
efforts. India specific news/announcements/support can be provided
through forums/mailing list/IIRC with clear directions.

Hope this helps.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Website theme decided

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A much better idea would be to aggregate the content from Ubuntu focused 
web sites. This would avoid a lot of duplication of efforts. India 
specific news/announcements/support can be provided through 
forums/mailing list/IIRC with clear directions.


Hope this helps.

On 04/20/2011 06:37 PM, Nitesh Mistry wrote:

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Maitraya Bhattacharyya
  wrote:

Hi All,
We couldn't get Filtered wordpress theme for our site. So for now this is
the one I am going for http://www.elegantthemes.com/preview/Nova/ nice and
sleek.
Any comments?
Got something better?
Tell me here,

Looks good to me, and I am sure you are going to give nice Indian
touch to it. :=)

Now that the website design is starting to roll, we need to get going
with the content.

People with good written English, time to rise!



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

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On 04/07/2011 07:57 PM, Narendra Diwate wrote:
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Ramnarayan.K > wrote:



a registered LUG can request for CD's to be distributed by them.


Yes, but how many new prospective users/fence sitters know about 
LUG's/Local vendors/where to try. I didn't. The only place I thought 
of then was IT mags with CD/DVD that MAY contain a Linux Distro and 
MAY contain one that I have heard/willing to try.
Exactly. Many new comes are not aware of this pleasant discussion here 
:) Thats one thing I rallied about till it got "hijacked" :) No offence 
meant!!!


It's a bad sign but can't be helped though.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

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On 04/07/2011 01:59 PM, Kingsly John wrote:

+++ Manish Sinha [2011-04-07 13:10:53]:


In the long run, it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian and
GNU.

How? All I find is talk and no evidence. You know when we talk about
Free we mean libre and not gratis.
Please head to http://gnu.org for more information

You should probably read things again with an open mind.  Just because this
is the Ubuntu-IN list doesn't mean we don't have the right to criticize
things we don't agree with.


Couldn't agree more!!

And while FSF says it is okay to pay for "libre" software, they don't
advocate paying/using propreitary software.
I think it refers to software as a service. For example, paid support. A 
developer can charge any premium for the same if necessary. But code 
ought to be free (and copyleft). This has huge implications for India 
(and other developing nations) specifically in an era where software 
patents are being used overtly and covertly to lock up in litigations. 
This only raises the cost of development, modifications and spreading 
computing to disadvantaged groups or those affected by digital divide.

Ubuntu has allowed installing all kinds of non-libre drivers. So they have
always been divergent from the philosophy of the FSF.
If it helps to integrate in the "mainstream", it's okay. Unfortunately, 
proprietary drivers abound the mainstream (e.g. flash) and thats where 
the big problem is. One can't be exclusivist and neither we can expect 
the ordinary users to be. I think HTML 5 is a big step in this direction 
to get rid of adobe branded crapware for good.

And Canonical have stated their objective of moving towards "open core" with
Unity being a first step, which means more proprietary extensions are to be
expected.lop

And from http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html

Brilliant write up.

"Canonical, Ltd. refuses to promise to keep the software copylefted and never
proprietarize it"

It doesn't matter if they haven't gone/never go proprietary, the very fact
that they want copyright assignments without giving up their rights to ship
proprietary/non-libre versions of the software speaks volumes about where
they stand in terms of their commitment to "libre" software.
Exactly. Unfortunately, certain section of readers are unable to grasp 
this subtle distinction. Thanks for pointing this out :)


The idea behind raking up this issue is that although this group is full 
of smart people but we need to do more instead of cutting each other's 
throat in philosophical banter. Linux offers a reasonable choice of 
distros, their work arounds and a helpful community. However, the 
challanges in India are different. Because of pathetic infrastructure, 
digital divide is a reality that would get worse with time. We can't let 
a corporation get better off by sucking up the free contributions and 
pushing their own version of ecosystem.


This is the point that needs to be addressed.

Kingsly


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

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On 04/07/2011 01:10 PM, Manish Sinha wrote:

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Stereotactic  wrote:

On 04/07/2011 02:40 AM, Manish Sinha wrote:

On 04/06/2011 07:53 PM, Stereotactic wrote:

This debate can *never* be settled; so let it be.

True. So don't bring it up again ever if you can't defend.

Philosophical arguments can never be agreed upon. In the initial thread 
I had rallied against the role of LUG's. How useless they can be if it 
concerns the spread of libre software. Neither am defending; but well if 
the context of the mail escapes your notice, I can't really help it :(

Thats good. Still, it's main flagship was always Gnome and hence there are

The most important upstream is still Debian, not GNOME (some-one
please correct me if wrong)
There was a talk about how little Canonical has supported Gnome (<1% of 
the code base or whatever); it's all over the net so I wouldn't really 
bother to prove my point.

Thats where the power of choice really is. However, Mark has mentioned
somewhere that Ubuntu *might* become one; its an unsettled question.

He hasn't mentioned anywhere AFAIK. Instead, Rick Spencer, Desktop
Engineering Manager has stated that Ubuntu is not moving to rolling
release.

The thread is *NOT* about rolling release. Please. It was, I repeat 
again, the role of LUG's to spread the word for libre software. Despite 
it's existence, I barely see any activity; heck, its not even mentioned 
in the mainstream media. How many of us have made *ANY* effort to work 
on those lines? Having a website or IRC presence alone does not count, 
IMHO.

That's an abberation. Again your opinion.

It isn't opinion, but experience.
You voice opinion, not claim opinion. If there is a claim, then it
means it is based on some experience.


Ha! I'd let this pass :) No issues.

Rolling release can be based on Unstable or Testing versions; Unstable is
not so cool as testing really is. But I let that pass. And I mention *again*
that rolling release is *not* the point of debate.

Ubuntu does have rolling versions. It is called development versions.
You keep on updating it. Try it out.


:) First there is none; then there is "development version". Okay :)

Whatever you say, Ubuntu would have never gained so much popularity
with rolling release ever.

Your opinion.

Not opinion, but truth.

As per you? Okay :)

Linux; it's installer is best in the ecosystem. Period.
I am NOT objecting to say Ubuntu One as a service in the cloud, for example.
That's an additional module, not really a part of the main OS. Canonical has
full right to charge whatever it deems fit in the cloud. Paid software in
software centre really is pushing the commerce in user's desktops.

So what is wrong in users wanting to buy software? If they want, let
them buy. If you don't want to buy, don't buy.

The idea is against proprietary standards. Against the concept of "paid 
software" in the base operating system. I "*repeat again*" that no one 
objects to Ubuntu One as a cloud service where users "*may*" pay for 
whatever or if they are so concerned about syncing issues. Neither does 
anyone object if there is anything for "paid support".


But it's against the proprietary standards and as I mentioned, stiffling 
EULA's that are bound to come with it, one day or other.

In the long run, it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian and
GNU.

How? All I find is talk and no evidence. You know when we talk about
Free we mean libre and not gratis.
Please head to http://gnu.org for more information
Again, it has no relevance to you assertions. Please try and understand 
this. Canonical is profiteering from free code & turning on proprietary 
standards without contribution back to community.

A non-techie user (as per your definition) would again be oblivious of
"fancy terms and conditions"; once the critical mass, in terms of users, is
reached, there would perhaps be no stopping Canonical to implement it's own
(jaundiced) terms.

The license is also "Terms and conditions" for using the software. I
hope you know this. Free software license are also as fancy to the
end-user as those 20 page long EULA.
Have you ever looked how long the full GPLv2 license is?
It's still "copyleft". I hate copyright in any manner whatsoever because 
it's very nature is RESTRICTIVE. Sorry but the "length" of the licence 
has nothing to do with it :) At least, it doesn't incapacitate the user! 
GPL3/4/5 or whatever version may be 1000+ pages or whatever, still it 
keeps the "freedom" intact.

Anyway I had a good laugh. Nice conspiracy theory.

Ha! Glad you did :) Ignorance is bliss :) Atleast, I made your day :)

It has already moved towards Unity and slowly poisoning
it's relation with other companies in the ecosystem refusing to play

Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

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On 04/07/2011 02:40 AM, Manish Sinha wrote:

On 04/06/2011 07:53 PM, Stereotactic wrote:

Yes. This is also a pointer towards a larger goal of moving towards an
ecosystem. First, they move towards Unity instead of supporting Gnome,
then they refuse to contribute much to the "code",


I think you read just too many blogs than actually investigating. I
know a lot of Ubuntu developers who are *actually* contributing
upstream.

This debate can *never* be settled; so let it be.


Another thing - Please understand the meaning of upstream first. Ubuntu
has more than one upstream and not only GNOME.
Thats good. Still, it's main flagship was always Gnome and hence there 
are going to be murmurs of protest at how it has abadoned the ship. It 
would take time for Unity to mature, no doubt, but the real interest 
would be focussed on how Gnome is able to battle it out.



the roots; i.e. Debian and I am downloading the rolling release.


Ubuntu isn't a rolling release and wont be ever. It should never be a
rolling release.

Thats where the power of choice really is. However, Mark has mentioned 
somewhere that Ubuntu *might* become one; its an unsettled question. 
However, thats NOT the point of debate here.
Rolling release dont work for non-techie user. 

That's an abberation. Again your opinion.
I never said that Ubuntu should be rolling release. Please read 
carefully. There are other options, as well though.

We geeks find it proud
to be using latest versions of everything and continuously updating our
system. Non-techies don't.
Rolling release can be based on Unstable or Testing versions; Unstable 
is not so cool as testing really is. But I let that pass. And I mention 
*again* that rolling release is *not* the point of debate.


Whatever you say, Ubuntu would have never gained so much popularity
with rolling release ever.

Your opinion.



Paid software in the software centre is a slow pointer towards
generation of ecosystem. Make the base OS free and let people pay for
the software.


Yes. It a pointer towards a good ecosystem. Paying for software is
not bad.
This is what I object to. Yes, Ubuntu made it easier for me to switch to 
Linux; it's installer is best in the ecosystem. Period.
I am NOT objecting to say Ubuntu One as a service in the cloud, for 
example. That's an additional module, not really a part of the main OS. 
Canonical has full right to charge whatever it deems fit in the cloud. 
Paid software in software centre really is pushing the commerce in 
user's desktops. When I use Ubuntu (as the base OS), I really care for 
whatever components I choose. Paid software, even when whet with the 
community, would invariably be tagged with terms of "fair use", sooner 
or later.


If someone wants to give software as a service, it's perfectly desirable 
solution; for example, paid support for individuals who are hard pressed 
for time to look for alternative means of support on forums or mailing 
lists or even IRC.


In the long run, it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian 
and GNU.


A non-techie user (as per your definition) would again be oblivious of 
"fancy terms and conditions"; once the critical mass, in terms of users, 
is reached, there would perhaps be no stopping Canonical to implement 
it's own (jaundiced) terms. It has already moved towards Unity and 
slowly poisoning it's relation with other companies in the ecosystem 
refusing to play ball with others. Perhaps it has *balls* enough but the 
future is going to stormy for all of them.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

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On 04/06/2011 06:04 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote:

As some one who did order a few different versions it is a Sad though
but, allegedely true, i guess it has to come to an end some time and
hopefully people will find others ways of distributing CD's, and as
Canonical says technology has moved on :-)
Yes. This is also a pointer towards a larger goal of moving towards an 
ecosystem. First, they move towards Unity instead of supporting Gnome, 
then they refuse to contribute much to the "code", and now the Shipit 
programme is deemed to have generated enough momentum to have created a 
critical mass. How much interest would the local LUG's take to 
popularise the distro?


Indeed, I broke off from the Ubuntu's quite useless  update system and 
shifted to Linux mint; however, the best option is still to move on to 
the roots; i.e. Debian and I am downloading the rolling release.


Paid software in the software centre is a slow pointer towards 
generation of ecosystem. Make the base OS free and let people pay for 
the software.

though i don't think it will be easy for many internet users to
download even a few 100 megs - so i think we should have some more
reliable Ubuntu shippers making their presence felt.
It's hard to convince people to shift; till the time there is active 
buzz created, it is hard to convert people. Most of them equate Windows 
with "ease of use" because of default administrator priveleges and fact 
that mainstream applications are focussed on the MS desktop.

  and as for the suggestion canonical gives to Ubuntu LUG's, well thats
something we are doing any way

Now this is debatable and my real reason to post a reply. This is an 
assumption that most of us take for granted. I have seen poor response 
in engineering colleges churning out dead beat "coders" who are at best 
as script kiddies. Bangalore, unfortunately, has turned into a huge 
swamp for unfortunate army of idiots. Name anything worthwhile that has 
come from India; any mainstream package or software that is being used 
by thousands of common users like me.

the link to the  article is here
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/05/canonical_kills_free_ubuntu_cd_program/

The article itself is below

Although attributed, please don't copy and paste.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] The new website theme

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But it doesn't scale up; thats what I heard. WP is engineered to be a 
blogging platform; unless you wish to go in that direction. 
Drupal/Joomla scales up well and I have worked on Drupal for some time; 
it's not difficult though. Still your call.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] The new website theme

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On 04/05/2011 09:48 PM, Maitraya Bhattacharyya wrote:

Hi all,

Mingo here. Ready to work on the new website.
Now as you might know, the new website is going to be build upon 
wordpress, we need a decent wordpress theme. Now I had earlier given a 
rough site with a slider based orange wordpress theme (modified 
Division theme), I myself think that it is too cluttered.
Web site based on Word Press? But why? Why not use a CMS powered web 
site like Drupal?

Just curious though.

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[ubuntu-in] RSSOwl

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It has some nifty features; but it canno sync with Google Reader (as 
yet). I think Liferea does but well, so be it. The only good thing about 
RSSOwl is the newsfilters (something like you have for email), but it 
can get ungainly. All the effort, was seriously not really worth it :(


Unfortunately, there is no replacement for Google Reader...as yet. 
Thunderbird, as I mentioned, is still very basic. I had written about an 
"ideal RSS reader" earlier in the mailing list but there is no 
"interest" for it's development. There are some good and bad parts about 
other readers and none is perfect in the Linux world. Mutt is a great 
example but it is terminal based.


I'd be glad for once if it had a GUI which would make it very easy for 
working around it. Is someone interested?


Or else teach me how to code. Tell me where to look for since I have 
zilch coding experience.


RSS is very powerful means of getting information; sadly it is 
underused. There are lot of things you can do with it and bare minimum 
get the news in real time.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Help with installing RSS Owl

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On 03/22/2011 05:54 PM, Manish Sinha wrote:

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Stereotactic  wrote:

Hi All,

I am on Ubuntu 10.10 and need to install RSS Owl. Although it's easy to
download and install (as on the web site instructions) but I am looking for
a ppa so that any new updates or builds are automatically downloaded
whenever I run the update command. This would make the management of the
software easier.


http://packages.rssowl.org/INSTALL.html

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Thanks!

But after much mucking around with both Ubuntu Tweak and the different 
repositories, I realized that getdeb is available as default. I turned 
that on and RSS Owl came in that :) (in Synaptic).


I am still looking at the application but Thunderbird's RSS reader is 
very basic. It tends to treat it as email; RSS Owl has far more features 
than default application. I'd put in my thoughts later on that though.


Thanks for the help guys :) Truly appreciate it.

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[ubuntu-in] Help with installing RSS Owl

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Hi All,

I am on Ubuntu 10.10 and need to install RSS Owl. Although it's easy to 
download and install (as on the web site instructions) but I am looking 
for a ppa so that any new updates or builds are automatically downloaded 
whenever I run the update command. This would make the management of the 
software easier.


Any help on this count please?

Thanks!

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Is anyone using Ubuntu Tweak

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On 03/20/2011 01:17 PM, Nigel Babu wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Vishnoo > wrote:

SNIPPED
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2010-August/thread.html

The fun discussion from the last cycle.

Oh, very informative! Thats why Ubuntu developers are not very keen with 
the idea of anything that "improves" Ubuntu. One more thing. If you look 
closely, their only argument against Ubuntu Tweak is "lack of security". 
So be it. People more knowledgeable than me are better placed than me to 
comment on the same.

Cheers
Nigel

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[ubuntu-in] Is anyone using Ubuntu Tweak

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It seems to remind me of Automatix, the all (in) famous script that 
automated everything.


Is Ubuntu Tweak really required? Why not ship with the enhancements 
built in?


For newbies, Linux Mint has improved on the user interface to a large 
extent. Their package management has become better with Linux Mint 10.


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[ubuntu-in] Apologies

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Dear Mail Admin,

Apologies for the double post which came in inadverently.

Please remove and do the needful.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu friendly datacards (dongle)

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On 03/18/2011 10:21 PM, James Sebastian wrote:

Dear All,

I am looking for details on which datacards are supported on Ubuntu 
from different mobile service providers.

Would be happy if any one can point any webpages listing them.
I tried on http://ubuntu-in.info/wiki/ but could not locate anything.

Regards
James Sebastian
http://musingsofjames.blogspot.com/

This is a good initiative. However, it is difficult to blame "Linux 
Incompatibility" alone. They have antiquated drivers and pathetic 
interface for a "dialer" in Windows. Most of the times, as mentioned, 
customer care refuses to understand the issue and you are left high and 
dry.


The best option, if possible, is access through Wifi. Luckily, most of 
the cards now work in Ubuntu and I used to have a horrid time with those 
creep Broadcom chips hunting down the forums for that possible fix with 
every fresh installation. Its an imperfect world.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu friendly datacards (dongle)

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On 03/18/2011 10:21 PM, James Sebastian wrote:

Dear All,

I am looking for details on which datacards are supported on Ubuntu 
from different mobile service providers.

Would be happy if any one can point any webpages listing them.
I tried on http://ubuntu-in.info/wiki/ but could not locate anything.

Regards
James Sebastian
http://musingsofjames.blogspot.com/

This is a good initiative. However, it is difficult to blame "Linux 
Incompatibility" alone. They have antiquated drivers and pathetic 
interface for a "dialer" in Windows. Most of the times, as mentioned, 
customer care refuses to understand the issue and you are left high and 
dry.


The best option, if possible, is access through Wifi. Luckily, most of 
the cards now work in Ubuntu and I used to have a horrid time with those 
creep Broadcom chips hunting down the forums for that possible fix with 
every fresh installation. Its an imperfect world.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] HP Lab-in-Box: delivering IT-enabled education to rural India

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Thanks for bringing this press release to our notice.

A computer lab is NOT the solution to the "education initiatives". And 
this is just a prototype. It would remain to be seen how this is 
deployed and how this actually impacts the end users.


Apologies for being rather too direct, but fitting a container with 
computers is not going to be a solution. The basic issue is lack of 
teachers or effective inducements at the peripheral level. But this 
mailing list is not for such an issue (IMHO).


On Tuesday 15 March 2011 06:47 PM, Hardik Dalwadi wrote:

Hi,

Very interesting initiative | HP Lab-in-Box: delivering IT-enabled
education to rural India [1]. It is powered with Ubuntu, from screen
shot i can assume.

[1] 
http://h30507.www3.hp.com/t5/Data-Central/HP-Lab-in-Box-delivering-IT-enabled-education-to-rural-India/ba-p/87415

Thanks,


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[ubuntu-in] Mozilla India Launch party

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These are great suggestions; however there is something more that needs 
to be done:


1) Mainstream media is still the dominant channel and if you plan for 
the "maximum exposure", it needs to be engaged effectively with the web 
campaign. It cannot be wished away and specifically the regional media 
needs to be tapped.


This should also focus on localized flavor of the browser. Most of the 
users are intimidated with English language and I would suggest that 
regional flavor of browser should be stressed on with menu options in 
regional languages.


2) Screencasts are a desirable option; again with the 'overlay of 
regional flavor'. For example, there is bound to be one person from each 
state in planned activity in Bangalore! One easy way out can be 
prepration of a "universal document" which can be translated in 
different languages. This would ensure a uniformity of approach and 
eliminate any confusion whatsoever.


3) One of the most understated developments in Government sector has 
been a gradual shift to Open Source applications. Can there be some 
means where a pop up notification or start screen be modified to notify 
the users of a new version? This would be a major chunk of users who are 
likely to extend the same to their personal use also.


4) It takes a load of marketing effort and I would suggest setting up a 
central agency to direct these efforts and more regular posting of the 
efforts on the mailing lists. This would help to fine tune the 
suggestions and adapt to the responses garnered.


To be honest, I am only a recent convert to FF 4 and truly happy to see 
the strides made to stabilize the browser with significant gains in 
performance. Apart from this all, the customizability of Firefox needs 
to be stressed for slghtly "advanced users" because they are the ones 
willing to experiment. Of course, the hardware acceleration for truly 
geeky as well as the Firefox Sync options for desktop and mobile versions.


5) One suggestion (or idea). Can there be some sort of extension 
developed that changes the "language menu" of the browser? For example, 
on default base installation, a "specific language pack/extension" be 
downloaded, the default search engine changed to say Google Hindi or 
Tamil or Kannada? This would ease the use for majority of the users. 
This better be a "re-startless option developed on Jetpack"!!


Please feel free to cross post (I am doing it on Ubuntu India List) and 
add to the suggestions on different mailing lists.


Three cheers to Open Source!!

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Invitation for OSSCamp Lucknow

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This is a great effort to promote Open Source initiatives in Engineering 
Campuses across India.


Keep up the good work guys. It's a good start and hope that the event is 
a great success.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Firefox/Thunderbird Global Menu Integration

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On Wednesday 09 March 2011 05:06 PM, Nitesh Mistry wrote:

On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:39:29PM +0530, Stereotactic wrote:

Hi All!

Is there any way to get Firefox 4 (latest nightly build) and
Thunderbird (3.1.9-Shredder) on Ubuntu 10.04? Everything works
flawlessly; saves tonnes of screen space is really really cool. Any
ppa? Any extensions? Any help would be more than appreciated :)

here:
https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa

I have this ppa installed; I get my Firefox Nightly builds from here.

Just a little request, try googling before asking questions on lists or irc
channels. Saves a lot of time.
Yes! Point duly noted. But after exhausting all resources, I had put up 
this request here.

We are always here in case you can't find out the solution yourself. :)
Synaptic shows some global extension for firefox installed but I have no 
clue for it's integration. Everything else works just fine except for 
Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox. Thats why I have posted the request here.

Thanks!




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[ubuntu-in] Firefox/Thunderbird Global Menu Integration

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Hi All!

Is there any way to get Firefox 4 (latest nightly build) and Thunderbird 
(3.1.9-Shredder) on Ubuntu 10.04? Everything works flawlessly; saves 
tonnes of screen space is really really cool. Any ppa? Any extensions? 
Any help would be more than appreciated :)


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 11.10 to be called Oneiric Ocelot

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On Monday 07 March 2011 11:35 PM, vikash agrawal wrote:



It's spelt Oneiric but pronounced as Opencore? ;-)


Thanks for sharing this John... I was wondering and it seemed like a 
tongue twister...

Regards
Vikash
Just wondering whether we should really go "ga-ga" about the naming 
conventions. Yes, they do attract the attention but does it take away 
the focus from real issues of "development"?  Is Ubuntu becoming the 
next Apple trying to immitate it's "ecosystem". It may be a co-incidence 
that Mac OS names it's releases after animals (specifically big cats).  
Just a thought.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Time to look inwards.

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Thanks a ton Ram. Glad that you gave an excellent overview of the 
existing scenario.


However, my contention is simple and again I reiterate that it is not 
the localization efforts alone that matter. It is creating something 
"new" that matters. And we sadly lack in either initiative.


Let me give you the example of Linux Mint. Apart from being an excellent 
derivative, the existing system allows a person to subsist on 
'donations' while churning out the distro. We cannot blame the system 
because we are unwilling to change it. I could go on and on regarding 
lack of "facilities", broadband, donation support etc but these are just 
excuses.


What is required instead is a strong will to do something. While CDAC 
and others have done a yeoman's service (and I am not discounting it) 
but it's important to be able to "make a splash". I don't see BOSS Linux 
being considered on DistroWatch, for example, to highlight the 
"achievement" in the community. In same vein, DRDO is justified in it's 
efforts but creating something from ground up is stupidity unless they 
have a crack team of developers.


But then this mailing list is not about BOSS/DRDO/Localization. Its 
about coming out from the rut and doing something creative and something 
which merits.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] USB Mobile Broadband Service

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Great explaination Ram. Keep up the good work and a big thanks.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Time to look inwards.

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On Friday 25 February 2011 06:46 AM, satyaakam goswami wrote:


On the face of it, BOSS Linux is a good project, and
if they achieve even part of what they claim to be
doing that will be a significant achievement. Having
said that, I have very strong reservations about how
CDAC, and to a somewhat lesser extent, other governmental
organisations in India, such as NRC-FOSS, relate to
the FOSS community. IMHO, they are still in the cathedral
model, with themselves as the centre, and have little
appreciation of how FOSS works. E.g., BOSS Linux pulls
happily from Debian, but contributes nothing back, at
least when I last looked. You could say that is how
government in India works, but to my mind that mode of
functioning is exactly the problem.


yes it  becomes much more murkier , is there a way to tap into these 
sources of funding and use it the way we want it . Yes there is 
no guarantee that this org or initiative will not land up in the same 
state for worse or good , it very easy pointing fingers and saying 
holier than though attitude. Do you see a way out shall we just ignore 
these thought process.
The way out is not a "half hearted attempt"; rather a full scale effort. 
I mean, look at the development of "Wayland" in Ubuntu. Despite all the 
prowess (and a publicly funded project), why can't we have a better 
project than this?


Debian based distro is fine but I still have to come across a review. I 
use Linux Mint (9) which is being maintained by a close group of 
individuals. This way, there is more granular control over the outcome 
of distro. Therefore, the existing mechanisms need to be worked out to 
deliver and a "new domain" is not the answer.


As stereotactic mentions, the goal should be to find and
fix issues with Indian participation in FOSS projects,
rather than to try to find problems with existing work.
Personally, I no longer see much potential in the
community trying to engage with the government: We need
to make things work on our own. 



ok i get the answer here , but how? form one more org ?
As I mentioned above, that's the answer. There has to be some way to 
break the log jam. How many among you are researchers/academicians? How 
many among you have actually "researched" and implemented anything "new"?


It's time to "look inwards" and make the Indian Loco better than the 
best...localization or translating is a passe'. Creating something new 
is warranted. There is no dearth of ideas, trust me. One just needs the 
effort to make it happen.



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Re: [ubuntu-in] [TUTORIAL] Ubuntu 10.10 Desktop Customization Guide

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On Saturday 26 February 2011 05:51 PM, Marius Nestor wrote:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-10-10-Desktop-Customization-Guide-186408.shtml

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Linux Editor-In-Chief

Why this "promotion" on the mailing list?


http://www.softpedia.com 
http://linux.softpedia.com 
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Time to look inwards.

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On Thursday 24 February 2011 09:23 PM, g...@sarai.net wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:39:50 +0530 Narendra Sisodiya
  wrote



On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:50 AM, stereotactic  wrote:
Hi All.

C-DAC is promoting its BOSS Linux through newspaper advertisements. While it
is a good thing, but mere promotion is not good enough. I find their
advertisements insipid (released through the Government of India machinery)
and fails to communicate the importance of Open Source.

[...]

Most of the people also fail to grasp the import of existing technologies or
how the could be mashed up and deliver something of value. Hence, we Indians
are always "laggards", be it anything- IT, Open Source, Gnome, KDE or any
other flavor- nothing is distinctly Indian.

Hence more than the localization efforts and spending energies in hammering
the "riff raff" on the mailing lists, it would be more instructive to hammer
out ideas, find out what needs to be corrected in the system and overcome
those issues.

Ok, you List out, what to do and what not to do. You cannot imagine
importance of these projects. CDAC regulary organize workshops on BOSS and
teach Govt officials about FOSS.

[...]

On the face of it, BOSS Linux is a good project, and
if they achieve even part of what they claim to be
doing that will be a significant achievement. Having
said that, I have very strong reservations about how
CDAC, and to a somewhat lesser extent, other governmental
organisations in India, such as NRC-FOSS, relate to
the FOSS community. IMHO, they are still in the cathedral
model, with themselves as the centre, and have little
appreciation of how FOSS works. E.g., BOSS Linux pulls
happily from Debian, but contributes nothing back, at
least when I last looked. You could say that is how
government in India works, but to my mind that mode of
functioning is exactly the problem.

Exactly. Hit the nail right on the head.

But we should not just "gloat about the localization".

As stereotactic mentions, the goal should be to find and
fix issues with Indian participation in FOSS projects,
rather than to try to find problems with existing work.
Personally, I no longer see much potential in the
community trying to engage with the government: We need
to make things work on our own.

Agreed. And bring something new and better than existing projects.

  I also disagree about
localisation, though: IMHO, while Indian-language support
is not being worked on in a systematic manner, it is very
important that such work be done.

Regards,
Gora





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[ubuntu-in] Time to look inwards.

[stereotactic]

Hi All.

C-DAC is promoting it's BOSS Linux through newspaper advertisements. 
While it is a good thing, but mere promotion is not good enough. I find 
their advertisements insipid (released through the Government of India 
machinery) and fails to communicate the importance of Open Source.


On a more personal note, I do find the issues being "out of tune" here. 
Imagine singling out a person because he has supposedly used dubious 
means to promote himself on Launchpad.


More than the personal attacks, it would be worthwhile to discuss ideas, 
brainstorm on bug discussions and bring out something new. This reflects 
in our attitudes when we interact with others and barring few people on 
this list, most of us have failed to contribute in any manner towards a 
lasting project.


Can anyone name ANY project, managed solely by Indians and being 
featured on the popular sites as "must have"? It is a collaborative 
effort, no doubt, but why do we see ourselves working on existing ideas? 
Slave labor anyone?


Most of the people also fail to grasp the import of existing 
technologies or how the could be mashed up and deliver something of 
value. Hence, we Indians are always "laggards", be it anything- IT, Open 
Source, Gnome, KDE or any other flavor- nothing is distinctly Indian.


Hence more than the localization efforts and spending energies in 
hammering the "riff raff" on the mailing lists, it would be more 
instructive to hammer out ideas, find out what needs to be corrected in 
the system and overcome those issues.


I don't code. I don't work in the IT industry. I only believe in open 
access. But at the same time, it's also important to have a cohesive 
approach and kick some ass.


Hence, while initiatives like boss linux (www.bosslinux.in) are good, we 
ought to rejig our efforts to have a world class project designed to be 
better than the incumbents.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Need a feed aggregator

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Thanks! But there is more than this basic need. (This is the response 
from the developer on the site). I am looking for a possibility of 
having this on the Desktop/Cloud based solution.


Here's what I propose:

Check out the site ( http://schema-root.org ) built from scratch using 
PHP and MySQL.


The newsfeed items on these pages are derived*from external RSS feeds* 
that *he parses and store in his database.*


He then reconstitutes newsfeeds from that database, using some criteria, 
and *cross-referencing various strings* that appear in the items with 
*links that point back* into his own topic tree.


The design of his site has been "as needed".

The idea is to provide articles from reliable sources, and to avoid 
stories from unreliable sources.


This means that the solution provided needs to filter out the spam.  Can 
a Desktop solution be made or is there anything like that? I am a doctor 
with zero coding skills. This can be applied to anything a person needs. 
Suppose you need to track news related to a particular sector, drop the 
feeds from any site which has RSS feeds. And you would get the most 
relevant news every day. For Engineering guys, track developments 
related to start ups/ jobs/papers.


The icing on the cake is to get Twitter which allows searches for 
relevant "hash tags" and outputs this as the RSS feed. So you stay 
current; the OPML file be routed to a RSS Reader like Google Reader or 
anything that you have on desktop.


On Sunday 20 February 2011 12:07 AM, Mehul Ved wrote:

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 4:09 PM, stereotactic  wrote:

Hi All,

I need an offline feed aggregator which should also be able to output the
URL.

Here's what I have in my mind.

1) I feed in the RSS feeds from different sources.
2) Filter out the content using keywords.
3) The filtered content be available as an OPML file so that I can use it on
my Google Reader.

Is there any solution like that for Ubuntu?

Thunderbird can do 1 and 3.

Yahoo pipes can do all the three things but it's a web application.

If none of the above 2 work, you can write a script in your favourite
scripting language.

I have done the same thing that you're looking for using yahoo pipes.
And it is easy to do.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS Is Available for Download

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How is debdelta installed for Ubuntu? Is it system wide or for specific 
packages alone?


On Saturday 19 February 2011 05:20 PM, Narendra Diwate wrote:
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Manish Sinha > wrote:


On 02/19/2011 07:46 AM, Narendra Diwate wrote:

Hi

On topic, I have Ubuntu 10.04.1 iso images with me and feel it a
complete waste of limited bandwidth to again download the
whole iso. Is
there a way that i can just download the difference and
regenerate/recreate/modify the iso to 10.04.2.


I have Ubuntu 10.04 installed on my laptop which got updated to
10.04.1
All you need to do is apt-get dist-upgrade and it will goto
10.04.2. No need to download the full ISO again


Thanks. But I don't have Ubuntu Installed. Just have the iso that i 
wanted to update to 10.04.2 without needing to download the whole iso. 
i think zsysnc should do it.


I too have shifted to Linux Mint Debian edition, primarily for its 
Rolling Release. Updates too are easier as i now don't look at levels 
3 and higher. I just focus on level 1 & 2. Also installed debdelta 
which looks like it will reduce my updates even further.


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[ubuntu-in] Need a feed aggregator

[stereotactic]

Hi All,

I need an offline feed aggregator which should also be able to output 
the URL.


Here's what I have in my mind.

1) I feed in the RSS feeds from different sources.
2) Filter out the content using keywords.
3) The filtered content be available as an OPML file so that I can use 
it on my Google Reader.


Is there any solution like that for Ubuntu?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS Is Available for Download

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Good thing because I haven't really used Ubuntu in a long time and 
rather prefer Mint (for the newbies) instead.


On Saturday 19 February 2011 03:47 PM, Manish Sinha wrote:

On 02/19/2011 03:36 PM, stereotactic wrote:

Although not appropriate but Linux Mint has better option as far as the
updates are concerned. It categorizes the updates which are core and
necessary. You can always discard the updates you don't need (which are
numbered as 4,5 and 6) and come lower down; indeed most of them are not
even required. If it is critical update, it is labeled as 1.


Event Ubuntu has it categorized as I can see from Update Manager. 
Right now I can see

* Important SecurityUpdates
* Other PPA updates
* Other Updates

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS Is Available for Download

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Although not appropriate but Linux Mint has better option as far as the 
updates are concerned. It categorizes the updates which are core and 
necessary. You can always discard the updates you don't need (which are 
numbered as 4,5 and 6) and come lower down; indeed most of them are not 
even required. If it is critical update, it is labeled as 1.


Thats one of the main reasons why I shifted to Mint. Truly, it is what 
Ubuntu should actually aim for.


On Saturday 19 February 2011 03:24 PM, Rohit R wrote:

I think there is no need to run dist-upgrade if you are on 10.04.1

You will get a normal update which will change your version number to 
10.04.2


Maintenance release is a release with all the updates since LTS 
release applied. This should be used in fresh installations to avoid 
downloading huge amount of updates.


On 19 February 2011 15:14, Manish Sinha > wrote:


On 02/19/2011 07:46 AM, Narendra Diwate wrote:

Hi

On topic, I have Ubuntu 10.04.1 iso images with me and feel it a
complete waste of limited bandwidth to again download the
whole iso. Is
there a way that i can just download the difference and
regenerate/recreate/modify the iso to 10.04.2.


I have Ubuntu 10.04 installed on my laptop which got updated to
10.04.1

All you need to do is apt-get dist-upgrade and it will goto 10.04.2

No need to download the full ISO again


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