Re: [ubuntu-in] Migrating an organization to FLOSS
oops On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote: > > Also the author talks about crazy sounding updates and not being able > to understand them this is a sample of what a windows update looks > like WindowsXP-KB958644-x86-ENU.exe i am sure we can make sense of this ;-) ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote: > 6. Which windows os can give you god only knows how many languages to > boot into and use (i guess the limitation is your hard disk size) > i have hindi and english login options - apart from using hindi regularly within my english boot, at the touch of button. > 7. Of course she discusses only tools that come on board with Ubuntu > (by default) by default in any windows OS your get almost zilch and > then you choose to install software you want so there are many many > alternatives for what ever the default software is there > meaning under ubuntu there are alternatives for any software and its the user who gets to decide what they like Also the author talks about crazy sounding updates and not being able to understand them this is a sample of what a windows update looks like well ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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Hi On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Gautam John wrote: > > and > we're considering migrating everyone to Ubuntu. Some 50 desktops and > 50 laptops. > > Would anyone have advice? A manual? Guidelines? here is an interesting post by a long time windows uses *Living free with Linux: 2 weeks without Windows* *Can a dedicated Windows user make it for two weeks using only Linux? Preston Gralla tried it and lived to tell this tale.* http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=Operating+Systems&articleId=9126042&taxonomyId=89&pageNumber=1 *** a few of my comments: 1. i read the entire post and don't agree with quite a lot of what the author says - but this is a good read to understand the mindset of a windows user and what can be their potential problems 2. She reviews 8.04 - which is ok but 8.10 rocks - its rock solid and performs like a champion (cliched huh but you know what its true) 3. The author has skipped quite a few more features that are built (like print to pdf from within almost any user software) or the security aspect has beed glossed over - look at whats happening all around - 9 mil computers affected by a worm - users maybe careless but so many users can't be all to blame , face it windows is insecure 4. Regarding installing programmes - no one told her about synaptic which makes any windows installer look stupid - it not only finds you programmes (many alternatives of each) it also instals it from the most secure place and makes sure it works) 5. The author chooses to blame linux for not beaing able to see vista , it could well be the other way around - "saala vista mere linux he nahi dekh pata useless hai" 6. Which windows os can give you god only knows how many languages to boot into and use (i guess the limitation is your hard disk size) 7. Of course she discusses only tools that come on board with Ubuntu (by default) by default in any windows OS your get almost zilch and then you choose to install software you want so there are many many alternatives for what ever the default software is there some of my favorites are Mozilla Thunderbird for outlook type email services gthumb for image viewing pdfedit for pdf editing pdfimport extension again for pdf editing etc etc am not sure what the author means by redlining documents for editing - there is a "track changes" feature but not the annotations with the track changes which is what i think the author is saying - 8. read the comments - they will also give one an idea of what to expect when the changeover takes place 9. Ubuntu (and Linux) is not windows - its different its like comparing samosa's with idlies - finally - solutions for almost everything are available on various ubuntu forums and most of the time they are free ;-) sometimes it may cost you a beer or a coffee ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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Thanks everyone. Great suggestions - all of them. Will try Tally in Wine. Ram - could you send me the document or host it so we can read it please? > -- Please read our new blog at: http://blog.prathambooks.org -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Raseel Bhagat wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Ramnarayan.K wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Gautam John wrote: >> >>> Would anyone have advice? A manual? Guidelines? >>> >> >> in 2005 , i helped change my team of about 20 people and 7 computers to >> Ubuntu >> we made a small document to understand why and the how - >> > > Is it really not possible to share it on the list. > I'm thinking a LOT of people might find it useful. > Maybe you can mark it with a Creative Commons License and share it via Zoho > or Google Docs or something. > initally i can mail it to whoever wants second will have to drop some refs' to the organization since i don't work for them anymore third its a bit outdated as far as ubuntu is concerned so its only good for a read but if some of you do happen to like it can put it up with CC license ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Ramnarayan.K wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Gautam John wrote: > >> So I've been using Ubuntu on my machine at work and the team I manage >> all use Ubuntu - the rest of the organization seems to wonder why I >> never have virus problems and have seen that the basics an office >> computer requires, browser + office suite, is available on Ubuntu and >> we're considering migrating everyone to Ubuntu. Some 50 desktops and >> 50 laptops. >> >> Would anyone have advice? A manual? Guidelines? >> > > in 2005 , i helped change my team of about 20 people and 7 computers to > Ubuntu > we made a small document to understand why and the how - > > am fwding that in a separate mail (since the attachment won't come on the > list) > Is it really not possible to share it on the list. I'm thinking a LOT of people might find it useful. Maybe you can mark it with a Creative Commons License and share it via Zoho or Google Docs or something. Thanks, Raseel http://raseel.in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Gautam John wrote: > No special requirements except Tally and Indic font support. What about the hardware and networking part? Indic font support would be easily available on Linux. Can you describe what work is being done on Tally. Presently I am working on a project to migrate our client's accounting from Tally to TinyERP. We could look into this as one of the options. There's a couple of other simple software around but it all would depend on your needs. -- It is clear that the individual who persecutes a man, his brother, because he is not of the s... -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Gautam John wrote: > So I've been using Ubuntu on my machine at work and the team I manage > all use Ubuntu - the rest of the organization seems to wonder why I > never have virus problems and have seen that the basics an office > computer requires, browser + office suite, is available on Ubuntu and > we're considering migrating everyone to Ubuntu. Some 50 desktops and > 50 laptops. > > Would anyone have advice? A manual? Guidelines? > in 2005 , i helped change my team of about 20 people and 7 computers to Ubuntu we made a small document to understand why and the how - am fwding that in a separate mail (since the attachment won't come on the list) regards ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: > Hi, > > >> Is there a guidelines to such plans? And infrastructure? > > > > Here are a couple of links that might be useful. > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/switching/index.html > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows > > More Links (Generic, Not Ubuntu specific) > http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246380.html?Open > http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Switching_to_Linux > > Hmm... The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced. This is making a great business case. A team of people who will just come onsite, convert everything to open source , depending upon customer requirements of course, stay for an additional couple of weeks to help with a migration and.voila, the whole office is converted. I think SMEs and SoHo's would pay for such a service . What do you guys think ? Thanks, Raseel -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Dnyanraj Mali wrote: > Just install wine & run tally through wine... > apparently, this is true: http://raviratlami1.blogspot.com/2007/11/how-to-install-tally-9-in-linux.html stumbled across a very weird page on the tally website that mentions a linux release, although afaik they have no linux version - rather strange, does anyone know about this .. : http://tinyurl.com/6txfas* ** * > > It works > * *Will definitely try this - would make my life much nicer without having to worry about another windows machine:) - although my past experience with Wine has not been great - I used to run ie6 a lot for testing purposes, and regularly saw Wine taking 100% CPU usage and required to be killed .. hopefully Tally behaves better.. Thanks -Sanjay * * > > Regards, > Dnyanraj Nivas Mali > > +91 9823562238 > http://dnyanraj.wordpress.com/ > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Sanjay Bhangar > To: Ubuntu India Local Community > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:40:45 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-in] Migrating an organization to FLOSS > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> > No special requirements except Tally and Indic font support. >> I guess Tally is special enough! >> > > Ya:( - if someone does find a linux-based accounting package that their > accountant who is used to Tally can switch to - please please post details > to the list, of what the package was, and how in the World you managed to > convince the accountant to switch :) . > > This I have found very hard to do and unfortunately we still run a Windows > machine in our studio just for Tally - I also don't understand enough about > accounting needs to evaluate a software and train someone to use it .. > > There's a few accounting packages I believe that do work quite well - > GnuCash, etc. - there was a thread on the list some months ago (multiple > times?) - the big problem here I think is not so much of the functionality > of these softwares, but going past the mental block of someone who has used > Tally for years and does not really want to learn something new. If someone > does have success with this, please do post full details :) > > Thanks > -Sanjay > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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Hi Gautam, It good that you guys are shifting to ubuntu... My advice is keep the system dual boot for few days.. use kubuntu if users are hardcore windows users Regards, Dnyanraj Nivas Mali +91 9823562238 http://dnyanraj.wordpress.com/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Gautam John To: Ubuntu India Local Community Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:48:31 +0530 Subject: [ubuntu-in] Migrating an organization to FLOSS So I've been using Ubuntu on my machine at work and the team I manage all use Ubuntu - the rest of the organization seems to wonder why I never have virus problems and have seen that the basics an office computer requires, browser + office suite, is available on Ubuntu and we're considering migrating everyone to Ubuntu. Some 50 desktops and 50 laptops. Would anyone have advice? A manual? Guidelines? Thanks! -Gautam -- Please read our new blog at: http://blog.prathambooks.org -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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Just install wine & run tally through wine... It works Regards, Dnyanraj Nivas Mali +91 9823562238 http://dnyanraj.wordpress.com/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Sanjay Bhangar To: Ubuntu India Local Community Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:40:45 +0530 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-in] Migrating an organization to FLOSS On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: > Hi, > > > No special requirements except Tally and Indic font support. > I guess Tally is special enough! Ya:( - if someone does find a linux-based accounting package that their accountant who is used to Tally can switch to - please please post details to the list, of what the package was, and how in the World you managed to convince the accountant to switch :) . This I have found very hard to do and unfortunately we still run a Windows machine in our studio just for Tally - I also don't understand enough about accounting needs to evaluate a software and train someone to use it .. There's a few accounting packages I believe that do work quite well - GnuCash, etc. - there was a thread on the list some months ago (multiple times?) - the big problem here I think is not so much of the functionality of these softwares, but going past the mental block of someone who has used Tally for years and does not really want to learn something new. If someone does have success with this, please do post full details :) Thanks -Sanjay -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Gautam John wrote: > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Onkar Shinde wrote: > >> You haven't specified what kind of organization you are working for. >> You will need to plan the migration depending on the work you do and >> the applications you use daily. > > We're two non-profit organizations based in Bangalore. > > http://aksharafoundation.org/ > > http://prathambooks.org/ > > No special requirements except Tally and Indic font support. I haven't used tally. But for maintaining personal finances gnucash has served me well in the past. Onkar -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: > Hi, > > > No special requirements except Tally and Indic font support. > I guess Tally is special enough! Ya:( - if someone does find a linux-based accounting package that their accountant who is used to Tally can switch to - please please post details to the list, of what the package was, and how in the World you managed to convince the accountant to switch :) . This I have found very hard to do and unfortunately we still run a Windows machine in our studio just for Tally - I also don't understand enough about accounting needs to evaluate a software and train someone to use it .. There's a few accounting packages I believe that do work quite well - GnuCash, etc. - there was a thread on the list some months ago (multiple times?) - the big problem here I think is not so much of the functionality of these softwares, but going past the mental block of someone who has used Tally for years and does not really want to learn something new. If someone does have success with this, please do post full details :) Thanks -Sanjay > I don't have much idea about accounting packages and related stuff, > but I found this thread in ubuntu-in archives. > http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01046.html > > Did anybody here try AVSAP? (http://avsap.sourceforge.net/) > > /punchagan > > -- > Puneeth Chaganti > http://punchagan.wordpress.com > > I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that > here and there > -- Richard P Feynman > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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Hi, > No special requirements except Tally and Indic font support. I guess Tally is special enough! I don't have much idea about accounting packages and related stuff, but I found this thread in ubuntu-in archives. http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01046.html Did anybody here try AVSAP? (http://avsap.sourceforge.net/) /punchagan -- Puneeth Chaganti http://punchagan.wordpress.com I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that here and there -- Richard P Feynman -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Onkar Shinde wrote: > You haven't specified what kind of organization you are working for. > You will need to plan the migration depending on the work you do and > the applications you use daily. We're two non-profit organizations based in Bangalore. http://aksharafoundation.org/ http://prathambooks.org/ No special requirements except Tally and Indic font support. -- Please read our new blog at: http://blog.prathambooks.org -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Gautam John wrote: > So I've been using Ubuntu on my machine at work and the team I manage > all use Ubuntu - the rest of the organization seems to wonder why I > never have virus problems and have seen that the basics an office > computer requires, browser + office suite, is available on Ubuntu and > we're considering migrating everyone to Ubuntu. Some 50 desktops and > 50 laptops. You haven't specified what kind of organization you are working for. You will need to plan the migration depending on the work you do and the applications you use daily. Onkar -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Sanjay Bhangar wrote: > Hope that helps - and all the best with the migration .. Thank you Sanjay! -- Please read our new blog at: http://blog.prathambooks.org -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: > > Some (simple) things like caching packages or concurrent installation > etc could be useful. Hopefully, someone can help. I've had fabulous experience with apt-cacher in the past to cache all downloaded packages onto one machine in the network so if another machine needs the same package subsequently, it fetches it from the local network and not from the internet. Its a really nice bonus of having everyone in the same network using the same OS, i think, and is really nice to be able to start getting packages withing seconds as long as someone on the network has downloaded them before.. This basically works by setting up apt-cacher on the server machine, and then pointing the sources.list files on each machine of the network to the server with apt-cacher. Then when you apt-get a package, it will first check the local server - if available, will download from there, if not, will fetch from the internet. And after that, if someone else is downloading the same package, it will be cached locally. After a little while, you find most packages already existing on the local network and installing anything anywhere becomes really quick.. I'm sure you'll find tons of instructions on how to setup apt-cacher - and feel free to ask me / the list if questions .. There's a lot more to migration, of course - but I think the focus tends to be often on "oh, i do such and such in Windows.. can I do the same in Ubuntu .. ?", and while its important to let people know that, yes, in most cases, they can -- I think its also important to highlight the great features of ubuntu that just don't exist in windows so that hopefully after the experience people will soon be saying "i do such and such in ubuntu... can i do the same in windows?" and the answer will be a resounding No :-) I don't have experience with concurrent network installs of ubuntu, but perhaps someone on the list can point to something, if that seems like a feasible / convenient way to go . Hope that helps - and all the best with the migration .. -Sanjay > > /punchagan > > -- > Puneeth Chaganti > http://punchagan.wordpress.com > > I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that > here and there > -- Richard P Feynman > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: > More Links (Generic, Not Ubuntu specific) > http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246380.html?Open > http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Switching_to_Linux Thank you! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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Hi, >> Is there a guidelines to such plans? And infrastructure? > > Here are a couple of links that might be useful. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/switching/index.html > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows More Links (Generic, Not Ubuntu specific) http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246380.html?Open http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Switching_to_Linux /punchagan -- Puneeth Chaganti http://punchagan.wordpress.com I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that here and there -- Richard P Feynman -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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Hi, >> Next would be to see that proper plan is made for migration and >> infrastructure is available for that. > > Is there a guidelines to such plans? And infrastructure? Here are a couple of links that might be useful. https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/switching/index.html https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows The documents focus primarily on migration of individual computers. I haven't (yet) found anything that could be useful for organizations. Some (simple) things like caching packages or concurrent installation etc could be useful. Hopefully, someone can help. /punchagan -- Puneeth Chaganti http://punchagan.wordpress.com I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that here and there -- Richard P Feynman -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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Thanks Mehul. > If all the things are clear then the next part comes in convincing the > managers and IT department of the shift. We don't have an IT dept so will have to only speak with mgmt. > Next would be to see that proper plan is made for migration and > infrastructure is available for that. Is there a guidelines to such plans? And infrastructure? > And there will be requirement of regular additional training to get > them familiar with Linux and improve their productivity with the new > OS. Again, any guidelines on this? Thank you. Best, Gautam -- Please read our new blog at: http://blog.prathambooks.org -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Gautam John wrote: > So I've been using Ubuntu on my machine at work and the team I manage > all use Ubuntu - the rest of the organization seems to wonder why I > never have virus problems and have seen that the basics an office > computer requires, browser + office suite, is available on Ubuntu and > we're considering migrating everyone to Ubuntu. Some 50 desktops and > 50 laptops. > > Would anyone have advice? A manual? Guidelines? First you need to find what are the applications/services that different teams will need. Then do a anaylsis to find if there's any application/service that will cause problem while migrating to Linux. If all the things are clear then the next part comes in convincing the managers and IT department of the shift. Next would be to see that proper plan is made for migration and infrastructure is available for that. And there will be requirement of regular additional training to get them familiar with Linux and improve their productivity with the new OS. Migration will increase the work of people knowledgeable in Linux, for initial period, as people will come to them with small problems constantly. Saying all that, if the management is willing to, Linux can be surely implemented organisation wide. I work for a small firm, which comprises of non-tech savvy users, where we have only Fedora on all the desktops and most of the laptops. Even our local and remote server are on Fedora. There's only one Windows server that is needed for Accounting team to run Tally and other accounting applications. -- It is clear that the individual who persecutes a man, his brother, because he is not of the s... -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
