Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Why should we teach students Linux??
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:14 -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: [...] > One of the major differences between folks competent in Linux and Unix and > Windows ``experts'' is that the *nix people usually start by trying to > analyse and fix problems while MCSEs only know the Three R's of Windows, > Reboot, Reboot, Reinstall. Hmm, I was an MCSE ( expired already ) and I would like to correct you : those three R's are : Reboot, Register, and Reinstall. You do not have to reboot twice :) Vu -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] some feedback
Hello I have been using kubuntu for about a year now, some of that time as my primary desktop os. I would rate my knowledge level at high, although I am not a linux kernel hacker or any such thing...but as far as computer experience in general, it is higher than much of the general public. As such, I have one major complaint, and one or two suggestions. First complaint. I upgraded to 6.06 lts from 5.10. I did it by a full on install, due to replacing my hard disk. 6.06 has been very stable for me, and although I keep it up to date, I find myself not using it as much, as some of the things that I wanted it for, don't work anymore. I originally wanted to do video editing on it, due to the generic windows applications I had laying around, all were either crippleware or just plain didn't work. So I downloaded the library packages for Cinelerra and had it working until they broke it for Ubuntu by using a library that outstripped that available for ubuntu, and then it uninstalled itself due to a break in packages. So I waited a while, meanwhile installing anything in Adept that said 'video' or 'edit', but really nothing besides Kino works, and it isn't really useful fo me, because it is primarily a capture program (at least that is what I have heard) and the KDE applications don't work for video editing. They just fail and die. So recently I discovered that you were feeding software to us through another source, because I guess the packages for the applications had outstripped 6.06 lts. Hmmm. Funny how that works. Lives works from that source...although it has its issues. SO to my complaint. After buying the 6.10 alternate upgrade cd, the Kubuntu cdupdate just flat does not work. I am told I have to use adept to do it, but read on the news lists that people have crashing systems all over by doing it that way. So after buying a copy from linux cd source in France, I am not going to mess with it. I will use the cd to install on a new system or two, but would like you all to know that there is some very valid feedback on this point in your mailing lists, and it is vital. Basically there are reasons people have gone to Ubuntu family. And you are letting those people down now. The technology looks good, but there are other people doing similar stuff. Personally Diabolix multimedia edtion with Open Mosix is looking good right now... or Knoppix. But your Kubuntu has been very usable and overall stable (even though I have to spend a certain amount of time at the command line to get it to do what I want. But you won't be able to have your general users do this. So beware. Laptop support. Kudos for being so full of support for laptops. I have an IBM 600e that had a pentium 2 in it, and Kubuntu runs pretty well on it. It recognized my aetheros wifi card natively in 5.10 with no problems. 6.06 had some problems. Wifi not working very dependably. But I did add a pentium 3 500 mobile processor to it, and that could be messing with the power management. One thing I could wish for would be the ability for the OS to recognize its a 686 or 386 or Athlon and install that kernel natively. Turn on the cache automatically. Having the sources natively for the kernel on the cd would be nice, in case we have to compile a video driver such as the NVIDIA one and no internet connection is available. (say we have it on the hd already or a cd, but no Internet). Linux does not recognize the cache on my upgraded Laptop due to the Bios not recognizing the p3... so the cache doesn't run without hacks. So far I haven't been able to get it to speed up in Kubuntu but I have taken some time off on the problem. For what it is it is quite usable (although slow) for a 100$ laptop. I spent a whole summer out on the road driving truck long haul using it at motels and wifi hotspots to communicate with friends and home. Thanks. Well thanks for the ability to feed back to you. Keep up the good work. I am interested in Open Mosix, so I hope you guys will continue to support the 2.4 kernel for awhile yet, as their 2.6 kernel support isn't really ready yet. As far as comiz and beryl... that stuff is neat, but please focus on upgrades, stability, and problems with software. Thanks again -- Monty Oregon USA -*-*-*- The sail, the play of it's pulse so like our own lives: So thin and yet so full of life, so noiseless when it labors hardest, so noisy and impatient when least effective... Henry David Thoreau -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Why should we teach students Linux??
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 06:43:34PM +0100, Roel Bindels wrote: > Ok, but don't you guys have some fact I can build a case with?? I don't > think that my college's will take me serious if I come with this store, > even it is true ;) You are crossposting far too widely to some wildly inappropriate lists for this subject. Try to find an advocacy group, or a local user group. They can be of more help in this. -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Why should we teach students Linux??
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007, Roel Bindels wrote: >Hello listers, > >I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree >and we are preparing our students to become something more then just >System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc). Since this >department is part of the Microsoft camp, the students are educated >mostly in this direction, which I think is not a bad thing. A better >thing would be if we could give our students the opportunity to meat >both the systems on the same level, at least, that is my opinion. > >To change a curriculum of a study, I need a solid case. So if somebody >knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the >Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's. > Don't so-called educational institutions always push diversity? Linux is based on Unix, the same source that Microsoft went to to get most of its ideas (although they have never figured out security) since purchasing a CP/M port to Intel chips from Seattle Computer, the first manifestations being the hierarchical file system in DOS 2.0. Adding Linux to the curriculum could provide students with background in secure, multi-user systems, and a development model based on integrating small components into useful systems in contrast to Windows which never has implemented effective security, and tends towards huge monolithic programs which are difficult to maintain and debug. Linux also provides the source code so interested students have the ability to really understand what's going on under the hood. When I started using Xenix in 1982 (a Microsoft port of Unix to the Radio Shack Model 16), I learned a lot by examining system scripts to see how things were done. One of the major differences between folks competent in Linux and Unix and Windows ``experts'' is that the *nix people usually start by trying to analyse and fix problems while MCSEs only know the Three R's of Windows, Reboot, Reboot, Reinstall. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 DOS: n., A small annoying boot virus that causes random spontaneous system crashes, usually just before saving a massive project. Easily cured by UNIX. See also MS-DOS, IBM-DOS, DR-DOS. -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Why should we teach students Linux??
Hello listers, I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree and we are preparing our students to become something more then just System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc). Since this department is part of the Microsoft camp, the students are educated mostly in this direction, which I think is not a bad thing. A better thing would be if we could give our students the opportunity to meat both the systems on the same level, at least, that is my opinion. To change a curriculum of a study, I need a solid case. So if somebody knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's. I hope you will all take some time to send me your best links/documents. with best regards Roel Bindels -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Why should we teach students Linux??
Roel Bindels wrote: > Vu Pham schreef: >> On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:14 -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: >> [...] >>> One of the major differences between folks competent in Linux and Unix and >>> Windows ``experts'' is that the *nix people usually start by trying to >>> analyse and fix problems while MCSEs only know the Three R's of Windows, >>> Reboot, Reboot, Reinstall. >> >> Hmm, I was an MCSE ( expired already ) and I would like to correct you : >> those three R's are : Reboot, Register, and Reinstall. You do not have >> to reboot twice :) >> >> Vu >> >> > Ok, but don't you guys have some fact I can build a case with?? I don't > think that my college's will take me serious if I come with this store, > even it is true ;) This link, although old now, contains a very well marshalled argument for a government's use (and others) of open source. It is lengthy (8 pages), but was the best read I have had in several years. It is certainly worth looking at. MS in Peruvian open-source nightmare http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/19/ms_in_peruvian_opensource_nightmare/ hth -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Why should we teach students Linux??
Vu Pham schreef: > On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:14 -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: > [...] >> One of the major differences between folks competent in Linux and Unix and >> Windows ``experts'' is that the *nix people usually start by trying to >> analyse and fix problems while MCSEs only know the Three R's of Windows, >> Reboot, Reboot, Reinstall. > > Hmm, I was an MCSE ( expired already ) and I would like to correct you : > those three R's are : Reboot, Register, and Reinstall. You do not have > to reboot twice :) > > Vu > > Ok, but don't you guys have some fact I can build a case with?? I don't think that my college's will take me serious if I come with this store, even it is true ;) -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] UWN 30
Lionel, I actually meant #31 by sunday ;) Not sure if it's going to be possible, but I'd like it very much if it would. I've been working on UWN #30 all night and can't find anything left to do, so I sent an email to Corey Burger for him to give it a quick look. He's the one that has to ultimately approve and publish it. I'll look forward to all of you helping out in UWN #31, hanging out at #ubuntu-marketing in freenode usualy helps too. Martin On 3/6/07, Lionel Porcheron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Martin, you sent the mail I wanted to send :-). I agree, let's move > now ! > > By publishing UWN #31 on sunday you mean 30 no ? Can we publish #30 as > it is ? What are the showstoppers ? After a quick look on the wiki, it > looks good. > > Lionel > > On mar, 2007-03-06 at 04:39 -0300, Martin Albisetti wrote: > > Beth: > > > > While I get this UWN 30/31 thing solved, you can start by taking a > > quick peak at: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies > > > > And previous UWNs: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue29 > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue28 > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue27 > > > > If you click on "edit" you will find many useful comments on each section. > > I will contact you directly when the new UWN 31 starts getting edited > > (hopefully the next days). > > > > That goes for anyone else. Whoever has some spare time and a little > > love for Ubuntu can help, no matter how little time you have, it will > > make a difference. > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > On 3/6/07, Beth Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, how do we get involved? I don't have much time but I'm good with > > > a search engine. > > > > > > -- > > > Beth Koenig > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Director of Deaf Blind Services > > > Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center > > > http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs > > > Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of independence. > > > At the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we provide the training and > > > services necessary for the deaf and disabled to achieve equally and > > > independence in all areas of life. > > > > > > Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center > > > Donate: > > > https://www.networkforgood.org/donate/MakeDonation2.aspx?ORGID2=330806007&PcaItemId=400 > > > > > > > > > On 3/5/07, Martin Albisetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In an effort to get UWN back on track, I would like to propose a quick > > > > wrap up of the current one (whatever is there, is there, the rest will > > > > go on UWN 31), and release UWN #31 on sunday. > > > > That way we can make the UWN a "weekly" newsletter again. > > > > It might have to be a bit shorter until more people get on board, or > > > > some of the old editors come back, but at least we can keep it > > > > running. > > > > > > > > I'd love some feedback on the proposal, I'm a bit stuck on which > > > > direction to go. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > > > > ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] UWN 30
Hi all, Martin, you sent the mail I wanted to send :-). I agree, let's move now ! By publishing UWN #31 on sunday you mean 30 no ? Can we publish #30 as it is ? What are the showstoppers ? After a quick look on the wiki, it looks good. Lionel On mar, 2007-03-06 at 04:39 -0300, Martin Albisetti wrote: > Beth: > > While I get this UWN 30/31 thing solved, you can start by taking a > quick peak at: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies > > And previous UWNs: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue29 > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue28 > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue27 > > If you click on "edit" you will find many useful comments on each section. > I will contact you directly when the new UWN 31 starts getting edited > (hopefully the next days). > > That goes for anyone else. Whoever has some spare time and a little > love for Ubuntu can help, no matter how little time you have, it will > make a difference. > > > Martin > > > On 3/6/07, Beth Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, how do we get involved? I don't have much time but I'm good with > > a search engine. > > > > -- > > Beth Koenig > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Director of Deaf Blind Services > > Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center > > http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs > > Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of independence. > > At the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we provide the training and > > services necessary for the deaf and disabled to achieve equally and > > independence in all areas of life. > > > > Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center > > Donate: > > https://www.networkforgood.org/donate/MakeDonation2.aspx?ORGID2=330806007&PcaItemId=400 > > > > > > On 3/5/07, Martin Albisetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In an effort to get UWN back on track, I would like to propose a quick > > > wrap up of the current one (whatever is there, is there, the rest will > > > go on UWN 31), and release UWN #31 on sunday. > > > That way we can make the UWN a "weekly" newsletter again. > > > It might have to be a bit shorter until more people get on board, or > > > some of the old editors come back, but at least we can keep it > > > running. > > > > > > I'd love some feedback on the proposal, I'm a bit stuck on which > > > direction to go. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > -- > > > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > > > ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > > > > > > -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] UWN 30
Hello Martin, I've been contributing to last 3 or 4 issues of UWN (and get to translate it in French with others since last summer). I used to edit the wiki before UWN gets into gobby. I'll check into issue #31 and let you know of some news I'd like to add. I'm currently at work and cannot do it right now. Cheers to you, and thank you for your time, Martin, Isabelle PS: regarding gobby sessions, we already spent one full evening, sometimes two, to translate UWN (also during a gobby session. Lionel Porcheron has set up a gobby server at home for this) . I have not been contributing to UWN gobby sessions because of lack of time, but am willing to help get it back on tracks. On 3/6/07, Martin Albisetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beth: > > While I get this UWN 30/31 thing solved, you can start by taking a > quick peak at: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies > > And previous UWNs: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue29 > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue28 > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue27 > > If you click on "edit" you will find many useful comments on each section. > I will contact you directly when the new UWN 31 starts getting edited > (hopefully the next days). > > That goes for anyone else. Whoever has some spare time and a little > love for Ubuntu can help, no matter how little time you have, it will > make a difference. > > > Martin > > > On 3/6/07, Beth Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, how do we get involved? I don't have much time but I'm good with > > a search engine. > > > > -- > > Beth Koenig > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Director of Deaf Blind Services > > Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center > > http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs > > Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of independence. > > At the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we provide the training and > > services necessary for the deaf and disabled to achieve equally and > > independence in all areas of life. > > > > Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center > > Donate: > > https://www.networkforgood.org/donate/MakeDonation2.aspx?ORGID2=330806007&PcaItemId=400 > > > > > > On 3/5/07, Martin Albisetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In an effort to get UWN back on track, I would like to propose a quick > > > wrap up of the current one (whatever is there, is there, the rest will > > > go on UWN 31), and release UWN #31 on sunday. > > > That way we can make the UWN a "weekly" newsletter again. > > > It might have to be a bit shorter until more people get on board, or > > > some of the old editors come back, but at least we can keep it > > > running. > > > > > > I'd love some feedback on the proposal, I'm a bit stuck on which > > > direction to go. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > -- > > > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > > > ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > -- bapoumba -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
